🕯️ Traditions Drag Queens teaching children here in the Philippines?

[hardcorepoetry]

Tanggap naman ang kabaklaan e kahit nuon pa, iba lang talaga attitude nyo ngayon, annoyingly disturbing mga kilos nyo ngayon, di nman lahat meron parin me mga delikadesa

Wag ka pa self pity hahaha

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Tanggap naman ang kabaklaan e kahit nuon pa, iba lang talaga attitude nyo ngayon, annoyingly disturbing mga kilos nyo ngayon, di nman lahat meron parin me mga delikadesa

Wag ka pa self pity hahaha​

Ako ba ang itinutukoy mo? Hindi ako self-pity po. Self-pity ba ang tawag sa sinabi ko? Well... hindi lang siya align sa ini-expect ko sapagkat iba ang expectation ko sa bansang Pilipinas. The truth is in my view, ehhh hindi talaga siya enough. Meron siyang kulang literal speaking. No need to explain ng mahaba dahil it will be useless.

Magiging self-pity lang siguro ako kapag meron pa ako participation sa Pilipinas so for me, it is better na makipaghiwalay na lang. Ngayon I feel a lot better. Andoon ang acceptance ko na ganyan ang Pinas pero hindi ibig sabihin na I already accepted my fate , kung kaya , ganun na rin ako kung ano ang mentality ng mga filipino.

Hindi ah. Accepted ko na siya dahil wala ako magawa. Ganun lang. Its like kailangan makipag break up ang tao sa toxic relationship para to have peace of mind. Ganun.

Mahalin na lang ang self. Huwag na lang ang Pinas. Wala naman mababago.​

 

[hardcorepoetry]

Ok, so Peace be with you

 

[jayendecastro]

I get what you saying. But there are many outfits that are clean look even in the lgbtq+++ community.

Compared to other community helpers. Drag queen are known specially on bars and some adults clubs. Kaya nga I emphasized about them being drag queens. Specially when they are around children.

Even it's still a different lesson but have the same outlook masasamain ko rin, kasi ng conservative ako, school should be a place that children are safe even sa nakikita nila.

I dont even know kung ano talaga gender nung 2 jan sa pic.. i can only make assumptions based on what im seeing… kung sila ay straight or gay guys.. or even straight women na nakadrag.. whatever the case is again i dont find what they are wearing inappropriate or “unclean”.. its part of what the message they are trying to convey.. and if tama na the book is ung “Your Body” then merong part dun about wearing the clothes that you want kahit norm sa traditional gender. Again the clothes or “costume” they were wearing will highlight that point.

What made their attire so unclean for you?? Kung isang beauty pageant celebrity yan wearing that very same clothes you would still think na its unclean??

Sa book itself may mga bagay na i agree with may mga bagay na i dont. Ako as a parent reserve the right kung gusto ko isubject ang anak ko sa ganan.. if other parents have no problem with their children maexposed sa ganan then its also their right.

Porket nasa classroom ang mindset mo nasa formal setting sila.. nakafocus ka lang dun sa 2.. look at the kids.. halos nakapambahay lahat… even ung isang ãdül† sa picture…

Sa bars and clubs sure pag andun sila doing drag they are there to perform.. sa setting sa picture they are not doing any kind of drag performance..they are merely telling kids about gender culture.. and kasama na jan ang drag or wearing something na di tugma sa typical gender norm.. na again part ng whole teaching nila.

 

[hardcorepoetry]

Di pwedeng what you want dapat in accordance
Kung tama yun yun sinabi mo about sa damit
Would you set an example like that? Dinner dress sa tanghaling tapat
Atsaka masyadong malayo pa para sa age nila yun tinutukoy mo about outfits na ganun

Di mo rin sinagot ito
You compare them sa policeman firefighters and the likes na public service oriented? Bakit at paano?

 

[jayendecastro]

Di pwedeng what you want dapat in accordance
Kung tama yun yun sinabi mo about sa damit
Would you set an example like that? Dinner dress sa tanghaling tapat
Atsaka masyadong malayo pa para sa age nila yun tinutukoy mo about outfits na ganun

Di mo rin sinagot ito
You compare them sa policeman firefighters and the likes na public service oriented? Bakit at paano?

Did i say na they just dressed na gusto lang nila?? Look at the kids nga sa pic.. as they dressed for a classrrom setting??

The point of what they are wearing is exactly what the message they are trying to convey..

Kung firefighter yan na nakashorts at sando just like the kids discussing about what a firefighter looks like and all that.. tingin mo tatatak sa mga bata ung tinuturo nila?? Again part yan ng idea na tinuturo nila.. and im not comparing them to police officers and firefighters in terms of what they do..the comparison is on what they were when presenting or reprepresenting themselves to their audience. Kahit nmn walang sunog pd magpresent sa kanila ng nkafirefighters uniform ang isang bumbero to emphasize ung tinuturo nila.. they can show off their helmets, jackets and tools and all that. Damit lang kinocompare ko..wag mong iover analyze…

 

[Gildarts Tale]

I dont even know kung ano talaga gender nung 2 jan sa pic.. i can only make assumptions based on what im seeing… kung sila ay straight or gay guys.. or even straight women na nakadrag.. whatever the case is again i dont find what they are wearing inappropriate or “unclean”.. its part of what the message they are trying to convey.. and if tama na the book is ung “Your Body” then merong part dun about wearing the clothes that you want kahit norm sa traditional gender. Again the clothes or “costume” they were wearing will highlight that point.

What made their attire so unclean for you?? Kung isang beauty pageant celebrity yan wearing that very same clothes you would still think na its unclean??

Sa book itself may mga bagay na i agree with may mga bagay na i dont. Ako as a parent reserve the right kung gusto ko isubject ang anak ko sa ganan.. if other parents have no problem with their children maexposed sa ganan then its also their right.

Porket nasa classroom ang mindset mo nasa formal setting sila.. nakafocus ka lang dun sa 2.. look at the kids.. halos nakapambahay lahat… even ung isang ãdül† sa picture…

Sa bars and clubs sure pag andun sila doing drag they are there to perform.. sa setting sa picture they are not doing any kind of drag performance..they are merely telling kids about gender culture.. and kasama na jan ang drag or wearing something na di tugma sa typical gender norm.. na again part ng whole teaching nila.

I won't go back to my point about the Drag Queen clothe or custom. I already said my case on that. Again you don't need to dress like Drag Queens just to tell or show you are from the LGBTQ+++ community.

Again, it's always points back to the issue of drag queens in general and the setting, place it has been held. Kasi nga kids and classroom. There are proper place to wear this kind of things kahit celebrity pa yan or whatsoever.

Opinion mo yan if you are okay with this. To me drag queens is not a good role model specially to children, kaya I don't want them near my child. And I still stand to what I already said.

 

[Asherah Goddess]

E diba ang mga kids? Hindi rin appropriate ang way ng dress up nila? Naka pambahay sila pati ang teacher? Dapat magwear din sila ng appropriate uniform dahil nasa school sila. Para quits lang. Oha? Kung decent dapat ang isusuot ng drag queen, ganoon din dapat ang mga kids. Parang unfair kung ang drag queen lang ang ipinagsasabihan na magsuot ng desente pero ang mga bata at ang teacher ay okay-okay lang or dahil kaya pinagsasabihan na magsuot ng desente ang mga drag queens, kasi nga, diskriminasyon ang dating dahil nga drag queen kaya ganun?​

 

[jayendecastro]

I won't go back to my point about the Drag Queen clothe or custom. I already said my case on that. Again you don't need to dress like Drag Queens just to tell or show you are from the LGBTQ+++ community.

Again, it's always points back to the issue of drag queens in general and the setting, place it has been held. Kasi nga kids and classroom. There are proper place to wear this kind of things kahit celebrity pa yan or whatsoever.

Opinion mo yan if you are okay with this. To me drag queens is not a good role model specially to children, kaya I don't want them near my child. And I still stand to what I already said.

Agree that you dont need to dress like drag queens sa lesson na yan.. but… they still can… and again.. para maemphasize ang point nila… like you i dont agree na children should be subjected to this that early.. nasa magulang yan kung gusto nila or not. But just because i dont agree with what they are doing i will just flat out tell them that they are unclean on how they present themselves.

Parang sa religion din, just because i dont agree with they are teaching does not mean i will judge them as unclean for the mere fact of teaching religion and god or the bible. If pabor ako sa ganon then regardless kung ano suot nila ang focus ko will be their message as long as di nman bastos ang suot nila.

Good na may stand ka jan and u want to protect ur child. Agree ako sayo jan. But you dont get to decide for someone else’s child. Kung okay sa kanila yan who are you to tell them na inapproriate yan.. just as i would not tell you kung ano ang approriate or not para sa anak mo. And they are not there to be role models.. they were there to present an idea. Kung ayaw mo yun for your child then karapatan mo yun.

sobrang focus mo sa drag na never mo man lang nacriticize ung suot ng mga bata… sa logic mo dapat masabi mo din those kids ang dressed inappropriately sa setting na yan… if u want to be critical about something then wag ka magcherry pick kung ano lang gusto mo masamain

 

[mutagenesisx]

Tanggap naman ang kabaklaan e kahit nuon pa, iba lang talaga attitude nyo ngayon, annoyingly disturbing mga kilos nyo ngayon, di nman lahat meron parin me mga delikadesa

Wag ka pa self pity hahaha

meron na nga tv show about drag queens sa pinas, ni isang conserbatibong kristiano grupo walang nag file nang public indecency.

mas open minded pa mga pinoy kesa sa mga kano at europeans.

mas maganda na mag focus LGBTQ+ community sa raising rate nang HIV-AIDS sa pinas, dyan talaga pag nagkataon magagalit mga conservatibo sa kanila at magkakaroon nang gulo between the two.

 

[hardcorepoetry]

Quiet muna ako Sunday kasi e

Peace be with y'all

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Ako naman. Hindi ako kumbinsido. Ang reason why I am not convince dahil......

1. Walang sogie bill
2. Walang divorce (Divorce naman ay rights for women na nasa abusive relationship kung saan binubogbog ng husband po)
3. Walang same seks marriage
4. Walang spiritual leader na gay or lesbian in Abrahamic belief system
5. Walang abortion (the reason why gusto magkaroon ng abortion dahil nasa r@pe culture po tayo – meron babae na nagagahasa at nakakaranas ng sexual harassment)
6. Majority na nasa posiyon pagdating sa government ay puros lalake. Less than ang babae na nasa government position. Hindi rin masisi kasi dahil ang pyramid kung saan ang tuktok, halos wala na ang babae sa position. Meron pa rin but mas nangingibabaw pa rin ang male domination.

Philippines is the most religious country po. Yung philippine law is ang ibang batas na andoon is dala-dala pa rin natin kung ano din ang law noon unang panahon ng mga espanyol po. Yung ilan lang naman.

Pagkatapos ito pa. Nabasa ko according to some socio-anthropologist, hindi raw matatawag na matriarchal ang Pilipinas dahil affected pa rin daw ang mga tao sa role na ginagampanan ng lalake. Nakitaan na ang mga babae raw ay mas pinu-push pa daw nila ang lalake na maging provider at babae ang mag eestay in the house po. Sunod, ang mas pinu-push daw ng mga tao na pagdating sa competition, lalake ang mas tinutulak po. Kung baga, lalake po ang inaasahan na mag maneubra ng economy as a whole so again, halos wala na talaga sa posiyon ang babae at ang homosexual po.

Meron sila mga rights, oo, katulad na sinasabi na naging successful ang isang bakla on concert stage, pagkatapos successful si vice ganda in the entertainment industry at maraming iba pa pero katulad ng sabi ko, limited lang po. Hindi po siya absolute. The reason why naging successful sila sa endeavor nila dahil sa pagsusumikap at kailangan nila gawin iyon literal speaking.

Its like ang advice ng lalake sa kapatid niyang babae. Sa teleserye. Ang gusto ng babae ay mag-asawa na lang raw siya ng lalake na super rich. Ayaw na daw niya mag-aral. Ayaw daw niya magtrabaho. Advice sa kanya ng kapatid nito na lalake na incline ang babae sa diskriminasyon and so, para ma combat or ma fight nito ang diskriminasyon since babae siya, so to fight discrimination, she needs to be successful in her career daw. To prove something na even though she is a woman, kaya pa rin nito maka-angat bilang babae. Kasi nga, incline daw sa diskriminasyon ang babae. So ang nakikita ko, ganoon din po ang mga tinutukoy sa homosexual why nagiging successful sila.

Ang lalake. Hindi naman siya the same fate katulad ng babae at ng mga homosexual. Bagkus sila ang itinutulak para magmaneubra sa society at sa economy po. Nadidiscriminate lang siya kapag inaayawan niya na kung ano ang ipinapataw sa kanya na dapat gawin bilang lalake.

Mahaba ang isinulat ko. Sana maintindihan nila.

Kung para sa ibang tao ay okay-okay lang.

Ang akin. Well, it is not enough. Unless... ahem... learn to accept the fate na kung anong inilaan sa kanila since birth. Since religious country tayo, if we die, we go to heaven naman daw. Diba? Diba? Like hindi na kailangan ng divorce, pinagpala naman raw ang wife na binubogbog ng husband dahil according to bible, ang tao na naghihirap at nagdudurusa ay pagpapalain raw siya ng Diyos. Suffering is one ticket to heaven. Hindi na kailangan ang abortion dahil kung nabuntis naman ang babae kahit hindi niya gusto at nagsusuffer siya sa traumatic experience niya dahil sa bata dala-dala niya galing sa r@pist, pagpapalain daw siya ng Diyos so if ever she died, she goes to heaven and there is a punishment for the r@pist.

Ganun. Ganun ang mga mindset ng mga filipino. Although hindi ko inilalahat ng filipino. Kahit nga sa pagpapayaman, sabi pa naman, e ano daw kung mahirap ang bansang Pilipinas, pagpapalain naman raw tayo ng Diyos.

Yung divorce, na aprobahan at ang taas-taas ng votes, pagdating sa senado, first time, nagkaroon pa ng hold. E dapat ipapasa na sa senado pagkatapos pipirmahan na ng presidente. Pero hindi. Meron pang nagpigil. E karamihan na nasa senado, lalake.

Iyon. Gusto ko man ma convince na keyso okay na raw ang lahat, hindi talaga. Hindi talaga ako ma convince.

Sana nawa’y huwag magalit sa isinulat ko na mahaba at detalyado na ipinaliwanag ko po.

But like I said, accept ko na siya pero it does not mean na I will accept the fate na katulad rin sa ibang filipino na siyempre, wala siya magawa at naandiyan na iyan since ipinanganak sila sa planetang earth. Wala na silang control diyan. Accept ko na ganyan talaga ang bansang Pilipinas. Ganyan talaga. As in.​

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

I get what you saying. But there are many outfits that are clean look even in the lgbtq+++ community.

Unfortunately, lahat ng "clean looking" undermines their message. Ang goal nila, is to emphasize that you can wear what you are comfortable with, despite the society telling you it is wrong.

Compared to other community helpers. Drag queen are known specially on bars and some adults clubs. Kaya nga I emphasized about them being drag queens. Specially when they are around children.

Let say that is true. Pero before the profession, they are also people who understand the struggles of being lgbt in a heteronormative society. Where else would children learn these things and from whom?

Even it's still a different lesson but have the same outlook masasamain ko rin, kasi ng conservative ako, school should be a place that children are safe even sa nakikita nila.

So, alin ang mas tama: you disagree with the lgbt because you align yourself with conservatives? Or, you align yourself with conservatives because you disagree with them?

 

[Gildarts Tale]

Unfortunately, lahat ng "clean looking" undermines their message. Ang goal nila, is to emphasize that you can wear what you are comfortable with, despite the society telling you it is wrong.

And you think being drag queen is good for the child? since they kuno represent. What gives about society telling its wrong? It's clearly wrong.

Let say that is true. Pero before the profession, they are also people who understand the struggles of being lgbt in a heteronormative society. Where else would children learn these things and from whom?

We don't say "let's say it is true" kasi true nga. Do you think that children should be expose to drag queens? They should not learn this delusions.

So, alin ang mas tama: you disagree with the lgbt because you align yourself with conservatives? Or, you align yourself with conservatives because you disagree with them?

It's obvious

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

And you think being drag queen is good for the child? since they kuno represent. What gives about society telling its wrong? It's clearly wrong.

E pano drag queen lang kasi gusto mo tignan na aspeto ng pagkatao nila.

We don't say "let's say it is true" kasi true nga. Do you think that children should be expose to drag queens? They should not learn this delusions.

Why should we sensor them? Delusion is not enough reason. We exposed them to people who superstitious belief as basis for objective reality, which is also delusional. It just happens that this one delusion will resonate yung nakakaranas ng inferiority dahil hindi sila maka confrom sa mga gender expectation ng society, ipagkakait mo yan dahil gusto mo yung delusion mo lang makikita ng bata?

It's obvious

Pasensya na boplax ako and it is not obvious to me. Did you find affinity to conservatives, which is why you adoprt their ideas? Or did you find affinity to the ideas, concluding that you might be conservative?

These are things that are not supposed to be too obvious, lalo na para sayo.

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Bakit nga ba ang tawag niyo ay drag queen? Ang ibig sabihin ng drag queen diba ay nagpeperform on stage during nightime and so, papaano ba nalaman na drag queen sila or nilahat mo na basta gay o nakasuot na cross-dress ay automatic drag queen na?​

 

[Gildarts Tale]

E pano drag queen lang kasi gusto mo tignan na aspeto ng pagkatao nila.

e paano yun kasi sinosuot nila

Why should we sensor them? Delusion is not enough reason. We exposed them to people who superstitious belief as basis for objective reality, which is also delusional. It just happens that this one delusion will resonate yung nakakaranas ng inferiority dahil hindi sila maka confrom sa mga gender expectation ng society, ipagkakait mo yan dahil gusto mo yung delusion mo lang makikita ng bata?

It's because the gender ideology movement does not base on reality. It's base on made up words and it is anti-science.

Pasensya na boplax ako and it is not obvious to me. Did you find affinity to conservatives, which is why you adoprt their ideas? Or did you find affinity to the ideas, concluding that you might be conservative?

These are things that are not supposed to be too obvious, lalo na para sayo.

You figure it out. Lol!

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

e paano yun kasi sinosuot nila

Judge the cover and not the book. Very wise indeed.

It's because the gender ideology movement does not base on reality. It's base on made up words and it is anti-science.

You have not demonstrated that to be true. All words are made up, simply to describe reality. If you see science as a belief, yes it is against that kind of science. But it is really according to science's critical thinking. Like, what about science says na mali mag dress sa classroom ang isang LGBT member? What is so anti-science about it.. be specific.

What gives about society telling its wrong? It's clearly wrong.

So why is it wrong?

 

[Gildarts Tale]

Judge the cover and not the book. Very wise indeed.

And it has nothing to do with the whole discussion. Since I already said my points.

You have not demonstrated that to be true. All words are made up, simply to describe reality. If you see science as a belief, yes it is against that kind of science. But it is really according to science's critical thinking. Like, what about science says na mali mag dress sa classroom ang isang LGBT member? What is so anti-science about it.. be specific.

The whole gender ideology movement, naging part lang yang pag dress but that is just a small part of it.

One very basic biology of science is only female/woman can be prëgnant. Then suddenly the whole movement said man can. That is delusion and anti-science. And I thought that you are a believer of facts not just mere feelings.

For example your a doctor specifically an OB/GYN, someone comes to you a clearly a man, but identify as woman, and said He was prëgnant would you test him all the procedures or just tell Him the facts that He will never be prēgnant then get sued for discrimination. What will it be?

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

And it has nothing to do with the whole discussion. Since I already said my points.



The whole gender ideology movement, naging part lang yang pag dress but that is just a small part of it.

One very basic biology of science is only female/woman can be prëgnant. Then suddenly the whole movement said man can. That is delusion and anti-science. And I thought that you are a believer of facts not just mere feelings.

For example your a doctor specifically an OB/GYN, someone comes to you a clearly a man, but identify as woman, and said He was prëgnant would you test him all the procedures or just tell Him the facts that He will never be prēgnant then get sued for discrimination. What will it be?

So what does being *******t have anything to do with this? Is that the essence of living? Why do people who did not have interest in procreating need to consider this trait on how they live their life? How does this issue connect to the science?