🕯️ Traditions Drag Queens teaching children here in the Philippines?

[hardcorepoetry]

fact: ang mga bakla gaya ni Kaplok Kaplok ay dumadami din sa pamamagitan ng magic kahit hindi sila nanganganak. ok ka na Kaplok Kaplok?

Mind conditioning ginagawa nila like sa Mandaue,

 

[Asherah Goddess]

.......katulad na ginagawa ni Jordan Patterson? Kino-conditioning niya ang mga tao na nakikinig sa kanya about traditional masculinity and it is a reason why hindi niya gusto ang feminism at ang ibang group katulad ng LGBT+++ po.

Kahit naman in the bible , kinocondition ng mga nagteteach about morality na dapat eaccept po ng mga tao na nakikinig and as a result , ayun , in the philippines daw ay tolerable ang lgbt po than acceptable. Naiintindihan raw pero hindi acceptable. Kapag sinabing acceptable , parte siya ng group without discrimination , andoon ang valueble but kapag sinabi na tolerable , naiintindihan nila pero it does not mean na agree sila.​

 

[hardcorepoetry]

Iba nga ang bakla nuon, sa mga bakla ngayon

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Iba ang mga bakla ngayon, dahil kung hindi dahil sa social construct , malamang ganoon pa rin sila noon.​

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Your biology has so much influence on how someone will act on society whether you like it or not. Why do you think men are on the brick and mortar field?

It only has influence because we choose to make these traits matter. Anong brick and Mortar field? Construction ba as in bricklayers? Kagaya nitong babae sa picture?

fact: ang mga bakla gaya ni Kaplok Kaplok ay dumadami din sa pamamagitan ng magic kahit hindi sila nanganganak. ok ka na Kaplok Kaplok?

Such insightful.

Look, kung wala na kayong matinong ibabato, it is okay to admit defeat. Baka nga kaya ginawa ang pride month para icelebrate ang pride nyo, dahil hindi kayo marunong tumanggap ng pagkatalo.

Mind conditioning ginagawa nila like sa Mandaue,

Maybe. But it balances the mind conditioning from dominant sources gaya ng simbahan, which is arguably in control lang din ng mga in-denial na bakla.

 

[Gildarts Tale]

It only has influence because we choose to make these traits matter. Anong brick and Mortar field? Construction ba as in bricklayers? Kagaya nitong babae sa picture?

And what percentage does women on that field? Specially on the construction field.

Let's add that up. Why do you think the front lines are men and mostly will die on the battle field?

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Meron pong military women supporting roles in front line po. Marami daw po sila. Ang problema lang siguro nila is promotion. Struggling sila doon. Ang karaniwan pinopromote ay lalake.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

And what percentage does women on that field? Specially on the construction field.

Let's add that up. Why do you think the front lines are men and mostly will die on the battle field?

Because western culture define these roles as masculine, just like many other roles, such as leading religions, politics. Other roles are deemed feminine such as caring, educating.

If we widen our sights across all civilizations, while it is true that there will always be stratifications based on genders, the criteria they use are different. Gaya ng picture na ipinakita ko, in India, bricklaying is not inherently a masculine job. It is up to society to define which jobs are a gendered, as much as society can decide to not gender anything at all.

 

[jayendecastro]

Ayaw mo kasi maniwala sakin. Yun nmn tlga kasi source ng gender norms natin.

Other than that, every science on the difference of gender is a weak justification for the norms, sometimes even irrelevant. Abiding by norms is fine. Ang problema kasi is when people shove their ideals on others. People from religion seems to have that pathological need to do that.

Well i will argue na societies were formed first sa religion and the bible.. sa society na form ang gender norms.. eventually religion emphasized those norms.. and now na societies are changing eh nachachallenge din ung traditional norms na un though some would say na religion ang foundation nun

I am simply asking question. Chill lng dude. Hindi ko tlga makita kung saan sinabi ni science na dahil nabubuntis ang babae, dapat magkaroon ng exclusive na bahavior.

Ang ability to procreate is merely a trait, just like other traits like kulay ng balat, timbang, yaman etc. Walang kinalaman sa science kung ano ang iaassign natin privileges according dito sa mga traits na ito. That is why it is why norms like this are social constructs.

Ganito kasi tunog ng lohika mo. Halimbawa may norm na ang mga mayayaman lang ang pwede maging politiko, at tinuligsa mo itong norm na ito, does it not sound dumb if i tell you na anti-math ka dahil gusto mo may karapatan din ang mhihirap pumasok sa politiko?


Quits lng nmn pla eh. Ano pinag iinaso nyo? Sounds just fair to me kung hahayaan sila.

Even if you consider that *******cy is just a trait, you know that such trait is exclusive to a certain group of people. Sa topic na yan in principle, one group can get *******t and one group cant. We call the first ones as women, second the men. Now if a woman cant get *******t for whatever reason, this will not put into question her womanhood, but instead ang titingnan jan eh what went wrong sa biological makeup nea thats not enabling her to get *******t. Same as if u define human beings as possessing the trait of having two legs…if a person has only one leg di mo pd questionin kung human being ba sya or not… u know that something went wrong or something happend kaya isa lang leg nea instead of two

 

[HowSoonIsNow]

Such insightful.

Look, kung wala na kayong matinong ibabato, it is okay to admit defeat. Baka nga kaya ginawa ang pride month para icelebrate ang pride nyo, dahil hindi kayo marunong tumanggap ng pagkatalo.

may mali ba sa fact na sinabi kong ang mga baklang tulad mo eh dumadami kahit hindi naman kayo nanganganak? prove me wrong lols

 

[jayendecastro]

Your biology has so much influence on how someone will act on society whether you like it or not. Why do you think men are on the brick and mortar field?

The ability to procreate is not merely a trait, it's inclusive to woman only. And its now even reduce to "prégnant people/birthing people" because of this gender ideology nonsense. And norms should be base on reality not as to "I iDenTiFy aS a mAn, I cAn nOw gIvE bIrTh or i iDenTiFy aS sEaSoNs/dOg etc.//" those are delusions.


quites nga daw, and your still using it as part of your argument. Lol!

Biology does influence the expectation of society for a particular individual. But those are just expections. Biology, environment, culture, traditions and all that can influence those expectations just as much. And we shouldnt demonize people when they dont meet such expectations.

I agree with u sa part na calling others as “birthing people” is just absurd. Para kasing nawawala na ung sense ng inclusivity ng mga taong un ang ipinaglalaban.

may mali ba sa fact na sinabi kong ang mga baklang tulad mo eh dumadami kahit hindi naman kayo nanganganak? prove me wrong lols

Do u know for a fact kung bakla nga sya or not? And even if he is at dumadami nga ang mga bakla kahit di sila nanganganak eh what point are you trying to make na relevant sa pinaguusapan nyo?

 

[HowSoonIsNow]

Do u know for a fact kung bakla nga sya or not? And even if he is at dumadami nga ang mga bakla kahit di sila nanganganak eh what point are you trying to make na relevant sa pinaguusapan nyo?

mas maalam pa sya sa pinaglalaban ng mga delusional na ibang member ng LGBTQ kesa sa mga katulad ng mga kakilala kong mismong mga bakla at tomboy na sukang suka sa kabaliwan ng iba nilang kasamahang member ng LGBTQ e. walang totoong lalake ang may delusion na ganyan. eto pa ang isang fact, kung ganyan ka mag isip gaya nyang si Kaplok Kaplok , may sayad kang malala para isipin mong pwede kang maging kahit ano basta trip mo. like for example, gusto mong ma identify as aso, pusa, halaman, at karapatan mo yan na dapat igalang ng ibang may matitinong pagiisip. eh pano kung sabihin kong i want to be identified as your god creator at karapatan ko yan? mag coconform ka ba sa gusto ko? at dahil ako ang god creator mo, kahit anong ipagawa ko sayo ay kelangan mong sundin dahil pag aari kita. ano sa palagay mo? do you still think na nasa katinuan yang ipinag lalaban ng ibang buang na yan?

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Well i will argue na societies were formed first sa religion and the bible.. sa society na form ang gender norms.. eventually religion emphasized those norms.. and now na societies are changing eh nachachallenge din ung traditional norms na un though some would say na religion ang foundation nun


Even if you consider that *******cy is just a trait, you know that such trait is exclusive to a certain group of people. Sa topic na yan in principle, one group can get *******t and one group cant. We call the first ones as women, second the men. Now if a woman cant get *******t for whatever reason, this will not put into question her womanhood, but instead ang titingnan jan eh what went wrong sa biological makeup nea thats not enabling her to get *******t. Same as if u define human beings as possessing the trait of having two legs…if a person has only one leg di mo pd questionin kung human being ba sya or not… u know that something went wrong or something happend kaya isa lang leg nea instead of two

That is actually a good point.

Society naturally adapts to necessity. Malamang may function sa society ang stratification ng male vs female in the past. Pero technology has bridged the gap between man and woman. There is barely any functional difference between the two to merit the societal scorn if people behave outside the norm. Ang foundation nalang na naiiwan which serves as justification to negative treatment against them is religion.

Yes traits are exclusive to certain group of people. Just as much as skin tone, facial features, riches, intelligence etc. Why does the trait : ability to carry baby justify privilege or lack thereof - when using every other trait for preferred treatment is viewed unjust?

may mali ba sa fact na sinabi kong ang mga baklang tulad mo eh dumadami kahit hindi naman kayo nanganganak? prove me wrong lols

Why do I have to prove you wrong? Ano punto ng sinabi mo? If something, it proves my point kasi ginagamit mo ang identity ng lgbt as an insult... which means tama lang i expose ang kabataan sa LGBT acceptance ideas dahil sa mga toxic na homophobes tulad mo.

 

[jayendecastro]

mas maalam pa sya sa pinaglalaban ng mga delusional na ibang member ng LGBTQ kesa sa mga katulad ng mga kakilala kong mismong mga bakla at tomboy na sukang suka sa kabaliwan ng iba nilang kasamahang member ng LGBTQ e. walang totoong lalake ang may delusion na ganyan. eto pa ang isang fact, kung ganyan ka mag isip gaya nyang si Kaplok Kaplok , may sayad kang malala para isipin mong pwede kang maging kahit ano basta trip mo. like for example, gusto mong ma identify as aso, pusa, halaman, at karapatan mo yan na dapat igalang ng ibang may matitinong pagiisip. eh pano kung sabihin kong i want to be identified as your god creator at karapatan ko yan? mag coconform ka ba sa gusto ko? at dahil ako ang god creator mo, kahit anong ipagawa ko sayo ay kelangan mong sundin dahil pag aari kita. ano sa palagay mo? do you still think na nasa katinuan yang ipinag lalaban ng ibang buang na yan?

Di nman usapang gender ang identifying as hayop, bagay, seasons etc.. agree ako na those things are ridiculous… even ung mga kakilala mong lgbtq “member” kamo have their own views sa pananaw na yan, some they agree with some they dont. Walang masama don. Being straight does not mean na di ka na pd magkaroon ng opinion about lqbtq… let ur kakila na members nean speak out… straight ka din na nagsasalita about something malamang di mo nmn naexperience personally..

And sa gender identity.. kung someone wants to identify as a man, woman, trans, non binary etc.. nasa sayo if u will respect that or not. Pd mo pa din nman respetuhin yun kahit di mo pinapaniwalaan… u can respect that person bilang tao.. sa naencounter ko na so far na “identifying as a woman” pero clearly a male.. di nmn nagbago pananaw ko about gender.di ko nmn ako biglang napaisip na oo nga babae nga sya…

And yes,, may ilan na “trip” lang nila ung ganang identity and preference.. pero for some part un ng pagkatao nila.. and u have to respect that as a fellow human being.. kung di nmn sila gumagawa ng masama.

Sa sample mo if u wanna identify as god,, okay.. good for you.. god bless you.. or YOU bless YOU… kung every interaction ko sayo eh tungkol lang sa god identity mo then iiwasan na lang kita… do i actually believe na ur god?? Ako pa na atheist?? Malamang NO. pero i can still acknowledge yang identity mo.

 

[HowSoonIsNow]

That is actually a good point.

Society naturally adapts to necessity. Malamang may function sa society ang stratification ng male vs female in the past. Pero technology has bridged the gap between man and woman. There is barely any functional difference between the two to merit the societal scorn if people behave outside the norm. Ang foundation nalang na naiiwan which serves as justification to negative treatment against them is religion.

Yes traits are exclusive to certain group of people. Just as much as skin tone, facial features, riches, intelligence etc. Why does the trait : ability to carry baby justify privilege or lack thereof - when using every other trait for preferred treatment is viewed unjust?


Why do I have to prove you wrong? Ano punto ng sinabi mo? If something, it proves my point kasi ginagamit mo ang identity ng lgbt as an insult... which means tama lang i expose ang kabataan sa LGBT acceptance ideas dahil sa mga toxic na homophobes tulad mo.

hindi ako homophobe hindi ko lang tanggap yung mga kagaguhang gusto nyong isalaksak sa utak ng mga kabataan.

 

[jayendecastro]

That is actually a good point.

Society naturally adapts to necessity. Malamang may function sa society ang stratification ng male vs female in the past. Pero technology has bridged the gap between man and woman. There is barely any functional difference between the two to merit the societal scorn if people behave outside the norm. Ang foundation nalang na naiiwan which serves as justification to negative treatment against them is religion.

Yes traits are exclusive to certain group of people. Just as much as skin tone, facial features, riches, intelligence etc. Why does the trait : ability to carry baby justify privilege or lack thereof - when using every other trait for preferred treatment is viewed unjust?


Why do I have to prove you wrong? Ano punto ng sinabi mo? If something, it proves my point kasi ginagamit mo ang identity ng lgbt as an insult... which means tama lang i expose ang kabataan sa LGBT acceptance ideas dahil sa mga toxic na homophobes tulad mo.

Minimal or not.. differences are still differences.. may pagkakaiba pa din and sometimes those differences ang important like for heatlhcare.

Why are u looking at it sa perspective ng having privileges and/or being discriminated againts?? Those “traits” nga are there to see ung similarity and differences. And sure may mga racist, sexist, matapobre, nagmamagaling and all that. Those are just people’s negative perceptions and notions regarding those traits. Traits can be good or bad, and how people react to it can be positive or negative as well. Again ang point lang jan eh ung “difference”..

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Di nman usapang gender ang identifying as hayop, bagay, seasons etc.. agree ako na those things are ridiculous… even ung mga kakilala mong lgbtq “member” kamo have their own views sa pananaw na yan, some they agree with some they dont. Walang masama don. Being straight does not mean na di ka na pd magkaroon ng opinion about lqbtq… let ur kakila na members nean speak out… straight ka din na nagsasalita about something malamang di mo nmn naexperience personally..

And sa gender identity.. kung someone wants to identify as a man, woman, trans, non binary etc.. nasa sayo if u will respect that or not. Pd mo pa din nman respetuhin yun kahit di mo pinapaniwalaan… u can respect that person bilang tao.. sa naencounter ko na so far na “identifying as a woman” pero clearly a male.. di nmn nagbago pananaw ko about gender.di ko nmn ako biglang napaisip na oo nga babae nga sya…

And yes,, may ilan na “trip” lang nila ung ganang identity and preference.. pero for some part un ng pagkatao nila.. and u have to respect that as a fellow human being.. kung di nmn sila gumagawa ng masama.

Sa sample mo if u wanna identify as god,, okay.. good for you.. god bless you.. or YOU bless YOU… kung every interaction ko sayo eh tungkol lang sa god identity mo then iiwasan na lang kita… do i actually believe na ur god?? Ako pa na atheist?? Malamang NO. pero i can still acknowledge yang identity mo.

Actually, we are at the same stance specifically sa bagay na yan. Identifying as something non-gender related is dumb, and I will just not interact with them. Ganun lng naman kasimple un.
However, tama ba i group ang lgbtq sa mga taong ito? Is this enough to undermine the purpose of the movement? Nakikita mo naman marami pading homophobes dito lang sa thread and it is still normalize. What more sa reality? These kind of thinking can culminate into micro-aggression.

Halimbawa, isang tibo ang i cocompliment mo. "You might say, ang gwapo mo para sa isang tibo" which has hidden implication despite sa kawalan ng intention maging homophobic.

Honestly, wala akong nakikitang risk kahit mag identify ang mga tao into whatever they want. Kaya sa cost-benefit analysis nalang, mas logical piliin ang liberal stance. What risks do you see kung hahayaan sila? Seems to me kasi, at worst it is just silly, but not enough to undermine the lgbtq movement.

 

[jayendecastro]

hindi ako homophobe hindi ko lang tanggap yung mga kagaguhang gusto nyong isalaksak sa utak ng mga kabataan.

Fine na di mo tanggap. Di ko lang magets ung logic mo na may mga kakilala ka supposedly na mga bakla at tomboy na sukang sukang sa mga pinaglalaban ng likes ni Kaplok Kaplok ..so kumbaga okay na “bakla” ung kakila mo.. and yet tinawag mo si kaplok na “bakla” as an insult dahil di tunay na lalaki kamo ang kagaya nya ang ipinaglalaban…

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Why are u looking at it sa perspective ng having privileges and/or being discriminated againts?? Those “traits” nga are there to see ung similarity and differences. And sure may mga racist, sexist, matapobre, nagmamagaling and all that. Those are just people’s negative perceptions and notions regarding those traits. Traits can be good or bad, and how people react to it can be positive or negative as well. Again ang point lang jan eh ung “difference”..

Of course there is difference. The problem is when we derive what "should be" based on this differences. After all, these are all arbitrary traits that are a mere product of observation, and at the end of the day, we are all human. At yan nga priveleges and discrimination ang punto na ina-undermine natin, which was the reason all along. Citing these arbitrary differences is a red-herring na gingamit ng conservatives on top of the fear mongering, and manufactured victimization.

 

[jayendecastro]

Actually, we are at the same stance specifically sa bagay na yan. Identifying as something non-gender related is dumb, and I will just not interact with them. Ganun lng naman kasimple un.
However, tama ba i group ang lgbtq sa mga taong ito? Is this enough to undermine the purpose of the movement? Nakikita mo naman marami pading homophobes dito lang sa thread and it is still normalize. What more sa reality? These kind of thinking can culminate into micro-aggression.

Halimbawa, isang tibo ang i cocompliment mo. "You might say, ang gwapo mo para sa isang tibo" which has hidden implication despite sa kawalan ng intention maging homophobic.

Honestly, wala akong nakikitang risk kahit mag identify ang mga tao into whatever they want. Kaya sa cost-benefit analysis nalang, mas logical piliin ang liberal stance. What risks do you see kung hahayaan sila? Seems to me kasi, at worst it is just silly, but not enough to undermine the lgbtq movement.

Lqbtq for me is about gender, sexuality and sexual preference… if its beyond that di ko kinonsider as part nean.. those na identity eh seasons, animals eh di kasama jan… and unfortunately some people do that and some instances nasasama sya sa lgbtq para walang discrimation sa preference… or for the sake ng inclusivity.. naattach lang kasi sya with the whole idealogy…