🕯️ Traditions Can people of all religions be saved?

[Bojji Ackerman]

Akala

INC ako brod.
Hirap magbigay ng commento dyan brod sa mga muslim kasi iba ang aral sa kanila. may mga bagay sating mga Christian na bawal na legal naman sa kanila. Kaya iba ang ethics na tinatanggap nila.

Wait... diba tao lang tingin ng mga INC kay Jesus?

 

[Deleted member 830783]

Basta lagi lang natin isipin na iisa lang ang diyos, yung iba kase nagtatalo pa.

di naman lahat ng discussion/brainstorming/debate dapat iwasan. most of it nakakapag generate ng solution sa ibang tao when they accept a certain idea. for me, it's one of the best ways to help me understand people and their pov in life.

 

[Bojji Ackerman]

hindi siya bagay bagay

Di ganun ibig kong sabihin sir. Inexample ko lang para madaling maintindihan

 

[God Rules]

Akala

Wait... diba tao lang tingin ng mga INC kay Jesus?

may mga INC dito na parang sinasabi nila na diyos si Jesus Christ si God holy spirit ay iisa pero walang trinity nakakalito nga

 

[Bojji Ackerman]

may mga INC dito na parang sinasabi nila na diyos si Jesus Christ si God holy spirit ay iisa pero walang trinity nakakalito nga

Yung kapag sinabing "Walang relihiyong nakakaligtas" INC agad pumapasok sa isipan ko na pinapatamaan eh.

 

[m9soymax]

There are many interpretations about God telling Abraham to sacrifice (kill) his son Isaac. It's a dilemma to me as a believer. It does not make sense to ask me to kill (murder) someone to prove my faith. I will stick to what I believe in (again, a leap of faith). God condems any act of evil, and murder is immoral and therefore evil. It's beyond me to answer whether I will follow God to commit an evil act in order to prove my faith. However, in that story, I now know why God abhors human sacrifice. Isn't that why it was written in the Bible?

God adhors human sacrifice?
Read Exodus 13:2
Later it says that you can redeem (replace) an ass with a sheep and that you must redeem a child for an unspecified price. It is clear from the context that “consecrate” means a burning sacrifice. These priests are guilty of theft and kidnapping. Since any sins in the Old Testament were punishable by death, these priests used the threat of death to extort food and money from their followers. What do we call a scum-bag that threatens to kill your kids unless you pay a ransom? A kidnapper! If these priests were alive today they would be in prison with Abraham.

However, in Leviticus 27:28-29, the Lord allows for no redemptions.I must admit that I am a bit confused by this contradiction, but it might only apply to slaves in your possession. Not that it makes any difference. A human sacrifice is a human sacrifice, and it is just sick

Here's a difference with atheist morality vs religious ones vs a kid believing in santa

Religious: I need to do something good so God will grant me salvation
Kid: I need to be a good kid to receive a gift from santa
Atheist: I do good for the sake of other people i don't need any rewards

Between religious and the kid who believes in santa can you spot the difference between them?
And which do you think is much better in the choices above

 

[God Rules]

Yung kapag sinabing "Walang relihiyong nakakaligtas" INC agad pumapasok sa isipan ko na pinapatamaan eh.

kahit catholic church sinabi yan nung pari na ang catholic lang daw ang maliligtas kaya po sa sinabi na ganyan ibig sabihin po ay lahat

individual po kasi sabi sa bible na kung ano yung nagawang mali ng parent hindi ito papasa sa anak hindi ito yung exact na pagkakasabi kundi yan po ang aking naintindihan sa pagkakasabi kaya po kung ang mama mo ay maliligtas it doesn't mean na buong pamilya niyo maliligtas

 

[Frustrated Burger]

kahit catholic church sinabi yan nung pari na ang catholic lang daw ang maliligtas kaya po sa sinabi na ganyan ibig sabihin po ay lahat

individual po kasi sabi sa bible na kung ano yung nagawang mali ng parent hindi ito papasa sa anak hindi ito yung exact na pagkakasabi kundi yan po ang aking naintindihan sa pagkakasabi kaya po kung ang mama mo ay maliligtas it doesn't mean na buong pamilya niyo maliligtas

Mali ang sinasabi ng mga pari na original sin

Hindi namamana ang kasalanan
Kung ang ama ang nagkasala labas ang anak sa kasalanan ng ama

Ezekiel 18:20 Ang kaluluwa na nagkakasala, mamamatay: ang anak ay hindi magdadanas ng kasamaan ng ama, o magdadanas man ang ama ng kasamaan ng anak; ang katuwiran ng matuwid ay sasa kaniya, at ang kasamaan ng masama ay sasa kaniya.

 

[God Rules]

Mali ang sinasabi ng mga pari na original sin

Hindi namamana ang kasalanan
Kung ang ama ang nagkasala labas ang anak sa kasalanan ng ama

Ezekiel 18:20 Ang kaluluwa na nagkakasala, mamamatay: ang anak ay hindi magdadanas ng kasamaan ng ama, o magdadanas man ang ama ng kasamaan ng anak; ang katuwiran ng matuwid ay sasa kaniya, at ang kasamaan ng masama ay sasa kaniya.

hindi po yan galing sa pari remember boss galing yung sinasabi ko sa mysword to be precise kjv/tab hindi ko lang matandaan yung verse pero totoo po yung sinabi ko na sabi nung isang pari sila lang maliligtas hindi ako nag sisimba sa simbahan ng katoliko sadya lang may event dun like wedd kaya no choice but to attend

 

[Kaiztakaw]

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di naman lahat ng discussion/brainstorming/debate dapat iwasan. most of it nakakapag generate ng solution sa ibang tao when they accept a certain idea. for me, it's one of the best ways to help me understand people and their pov in life.

tama ka...pero i hate debate kasi..dito kasi kahit alam mong mali ka na at wala na sa katwiran...i cocontinue mo pa rin yung baluktut na pangangatwiran para lng panindigan ang baluktot na opinion..well brainstorming and scientic discussions are better than debates...

 

[Deleted member 830783]

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tama ka...pero i hate debate kasi..di dito pimapasok yung dapat mong panindigan ang isang bagay kahit alam mong mali ka at wala na sa katwiran...well brainstorming and scientic discussions are better than debates...

ah prolema na nila yan kung alam nilang mali eh paninindigan pa rin haha basta no foul words lang ok na yun

 

[Kaiztakaw]

ah prolema na nila yan kung alam nilang mali eh paninindigan pa rin haha basta no foul words lang ok na yun

Yun nga yung problema malalaman mo nag mali sila pag nagsimula na silang mag mura... Debates most of the times ended up to fights... Imbes may solution mas nadadagdagan yung problema..

 

[Deleted member 830783]

Yun nga yung problema malalaman mo nag mali sila pag nagsimula na silang mag mura... Debates most of the times ended up to fights... Imbes may solution mas nadadagdagan yung problema..

how would we know if we wont try it hehe i'll stop naman if I think hindi na healthy...malalaman din natin yan in time.

 

[Kaiztakaw]

how would we know if we wont try it hehe i'll stop naman if I think hindi na healthy...malalaman din natin yan in time.

Hehe... Tried it..it is never healthy...haha.. Usap lng mas ok pa...

 

[Violinist]

Born Again Christian ako. Di na lang ako magsasalita.

 

[m9soymax]

...what a waste then... Well lets say there is really no God ...just an example...between me and you there is no different.. The earth will eat our flesh after we die then nothing... doesnt matter if we are good or bad.. Rich or poor who we were... BUT A QUESTION to you my friends... What if their is really a GOD then i spend all my life believing HIM... AND you spend all your life denouncing HIM.. Who is in a better position infront of God now?... Who will be doom? Who will be saved?...

Pascal wagers
What if you believe in a wrong god this whole time and the true religion is the force?

 

[dummy01]

kung sinabi sa iyo ng diyos i sacrifice ang iyong sariling anak magagawa mo ba ito?

totoo bang may iba't ibang pananaw ang tao? kung oo
sa tingin ko po test yun para kay abraham based sa characteristics niya test yun kung takot talaga siya kay God

kung hindi naman at iisa lang pananaw ng mga tao bakit pinapaliwanag ko ito sayo ngayon at hindi mo naiintindihan

I think you missed it so I will repeat it for you. It's beyond me to answer whether to kill (to do evil) someone in order to prove my faith. As I said It's a dilemma.

The reason we debate is because we have different povs. The only time it's non-debatable (in my own view) is when Morality comes in. Murder is universally immoral, as well as s†éáling and that's non-debatable. Again, it is my own view. If you don't agree then that's your view.

God adhors human sacrifice?
Read Exodus 13:2
Later it says that you can redeem (replace) an *** with a sheep and that you must redeem a child for an unspecified price. It is clear from the context that “consecrate” means a burning sacrifice. These priests are guilty of theft and kidnapping. Since any sins in the Old Testament were punishable by death, these priests used the threat of death to extort food and money from their followers. What do we call a scum-bag that threatens to kill your kids unless you pay a ransom? A kidnapper! If these priests were alive today they would be in prison with Abraham.

However, in Leviticus 27:28-29, the Lord allows for no redemptions.I must admit that I am a bit confused by this contradiction, but it might only apply to slaves in your possession. Not that it makes any difference. A human sacrifice is a human sacrifice, and it is just sick

Here's a difference with atheist morality vs religious ones vs a kid believing in santa

Religious: I need to do something good so God will grant me salvation
Kid: I need to be a good kid to receive a gift from santa
Atheist: I do good for the sake of other people i don't need any rewards

Between religious and the kid who believes in santa can you spot the difference between them?
And which do you think is much better in the choices above

Hahaha, sorry if I take your religious person and kid analogy funny. I actually like the kid. At least he tries to be a good kid. I get what you're trying to imply. And it's not that I am forced to do good because of salvation. I have different purpose why I have to do good. It's just funny some people interpret it that way. The atheist statement intrigues me though, because how can an atheist determine what he does is good/moral? To which/whom will the goodness be based on? To majority of people's view? Your feelings? Logic? What is morality if you don't believe in God? That does not make sense to me as a theist. Morality transcends to human understanding, meaning it is beyond human intelligence and what's beyond human is godly. We cannot prove as a human being that murder/s†éáling is immoral, as some people would think it's okay (moral) to kill a person/s†éál for the benefits of all. Just recall some good history classes as a reference.

 

[Frustrated Burger]

Ang gawa ng lahat ng tao ay.palaging may mga saksi

Ang Dios at mga anghel
Dapat maunawa nyo na sa lahat ng gawa ng tao ay may karampatang parusa at pagpapala
Matuwid ang hatol sa araw ng paghuhukom kaso lahat ng yan ay may mga saksi
Lahat ng lihim ng tao ngayon ay mahahayag sa araw na iyon

Hindi ka man nabigyan ng hustisya sa mundong ito
Asahan mo may hustisya sa araw na yaon
Ang Panginoong Hesus nga natalo sa hukuman ng tao napatay nga sa krus
Huwag mong asahan na sa mundong ito ay palaging panalo ang hutisya
Ang kaalaman kasi ng tao upang ilapat ang hustisya ay maliit kasi maraming di nakikitang cirskumstansya ang tao na nakapalibot sa mga pangyayari

Ang maasahan mong totoo at matuwid na paghatol ay ang sa Dios lamang

 

[Jmrie_]

After gumawa ng tutorial diretso ka dito boss ah haha

Ang gawa ng lahat ng tao ay.palaging may mga saksi

Ang Dios at mga anghel
Dapat maunawa nyo na sa lahat ng gawa ng tao ay may karampatang parusa at pagpapala
Matuwid ang hatol sa araw ng paghuhukom kaso lahat ng yan ay may mga saksi
Lahat ng lihim ng tao ngayon ay mahahayag sa araw na iyon

Hindi ka man nabigyan ng hustisya sa mundong ito
Asahan mo may hustisya sa araw na yaon

 

[m9soymax]

I think you missed it so I will repeat it for you. It's beyond me to answer whether to kill (to do evil) someone in order to prove my faith. As I said It's a dilemma.

The reason we debate is because we have different povs. The only time it's non-debatable (in my own view) is when Morality comes in. Murder is universally immoral, as well as s†éáling and that's non-debatable. Again, it is my own view. If you don't agree then that's your view.



Hahaha, sorry if I take your religious person and kid analogy funny. I actually like the kid. At least he tries to be a good kid. I get what you're trying to imply. And it's not that I am forced to do good because of salvation. I have different purpose why I have to do good. It's just funny some people interpret it that way. The atheist statement intrigues me though, because how can an atheist determine what he does is good/moral? To which/whom will the goodness be based on? To majority of people's view? Your feelings? Logic? What is morality if you don't believe in God? That does not make sense to me as a theist. Morality transcends to human understanding, meaning it is beyond human intelligence and what's beyond human is godly. We cannot prove as a human being that murder/s†éáling is immoral, as some people would think it's okay (moral) to kill a person/s†éál for the benefits of all. Just recall some good history classes as a reference.

I already answered our source of morality
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