🕯️ Traditions The Flaw in Agnosticsm

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Atheism and agnosticism differ fundamentally in their stances on the existence of deities. Atheists assert a lack of belief in any gods, often grounded in skepticism and a demand for empirical evidence. In contrast, agnostics maintain that the existence of gods is unknown or unknowable, preferring to suspend judgment. A critical flaw in the agnostic position of uncertainty lies in its tendency to overlook the tangible impacts of theism on human life. By remaining undecided, agnostics may unintentionally disregard the real-world consequences of religious beliefs and practices, such as the influence on moral and ethical frameworks, political decisions, and social dynamics.

Another flaw in agnosticism is the perceived distinction it draws from atheism based on the principle of uncertainty. Agnostics often separate themselves from atheists by emphasizing their position of not knowing whether deities exist, suggesting a more open-minded or undecided stance. However, this distinction is somewhat misleading, as many atheists do not claim absolute certainty about the nonexistence of gods. Instead, they generally focus on the lack of evidence for deities and the social implications of religious beliefs, forming their views based on the available information. In reality, many atheists could be considered agnostic as well, acknowledging the impossibility of proving a negative while still living their lives without belief in gods. This shared uncertainty undercuts the perceived divide, highlighting that the primary difference often lies in the emphasis on practical concerns and the consequences of theism, rather than a fundamental difference in certainty about the existence of deities.

It is unfortunate that the agnostic position is often used as a neutral stance, perhaps by former theist in transistion to atheism, to avoid direct confrontation with theistic ideologies. This perceived neutrality can undermine the atheist critique of the unfounded influence of religions on society's moral and ethical frameworks. By not taking a clear position, agnostics may inadvertently diminish the importance of questioning and challenging the authority of religious doctrines, allowing them to persist unexamined and unchecked in shaping societal values.
 
just because theism exists doesn't automatically mean gods exist as well no matter how tangible theism impacts the human life, the evidences needed to prove theism and the gods themselves differ from each other

both the existence and the absence of gods cannot be proven as of the moment so both theism and atheism are questionable, i am only classifying myself as atheist in a sense that i don't belong to any religious sect
 
just because theism exists doesn't automatically mean gods exist as well no matter how tangible theism impacts the human life, the evidences needed to prove theism and the gods themselves differ from each other

both the existence and the absence of gods cannot be proven as of the moment so both theism and atheism are questionable, i am only classifying myself as atheist in a sense that i don't belong to any religious sect
Do we want to focus on the accuracy of the belief or the way people E×ρréšš these belief in their day-to-day life.

We all know there is no strong evidence to believe dieties, while there is no possible way to disprove it without a doubt. But that is not the part that matters. What matters is how we treat each other in the world based on these beliefs. It does not matter if a theist believe such and such... what matters is if they hurt, judge, or have prejudice - however their belief influences them.

That is why atheism is merely about being convinced that there is no god, based on the limited data, to directly counter the negative effects of theism. On the other hand, agnosticsm is a meaningless position within this conversation, as it is o ly concerned about the certainty, and not the human impact.
 
Do we want to focus on the accuracy of the belief or the way people E×ρréšš these belief in their day-to-day life.

We all know there is no strong evidence to believe dieties, while there is no possible way to disprove it without a doubt. But that is not the part that matters. What matters is how we treat each other in the world based on these beliefs. It does not matter if a theist believe such and such... what matters is if they hurt, judge, or have prejudice - however their belief influences them.

That is why atheism is merely about being convinced that there is no god, based on the limited data, to directly counter the negative effects of theism. On the other hand, agnosticsm is a meaningless position within this conversation, as it is o ly concerned about the certainty, and not the human impact.
i am only to decide whether theism or atheism is worth my time or a waste of time, do i really need those kinds of endeavor? yan lang naman yung akin, so i think how people E×ρréšš their belief doesn't matter to me, yung accuracy ang mas important sakin
 
i am only to decide whether theism or atheism is worth my time or a waste of time, do i really need those kinds of endeavor? yan lang naman yung akin, so i think how people E×ρréšš their belief doesn't matter to me, yung accuracy ang mas important sakin
Why is accuracy that important? Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. Nag kaka-issue lang naman is when these beliefs are reflected in what they do and how they think.
 
Why is accuracy that important? Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. Nag kaka-issue lang naman is when these beliefs are reflected in what they do and how they think.
it's not about the entitlement of other people bossing, it's about myself who is about to either waste my time or not, it is my agnosticism that is questioned here and you're arguing on grounds of not getting enticed by theism through their way of life, you may want to be specific sa sinasabi mong reflected way of life ng mga theists at baka ma-entice mo ako to leave agnosticism especially if you can prove that only theism causes such a way of life
 
it's not about the entitlement of other people bossing, it's about myself who is about to either waste my time or not, it is my agnosticism that is questioned here and you're arguing on grounds of not getting enticed by theism through their way of life, you may want to be specific sa sinasabi mong reflected way of life ng mga theists at baka ma-entice mo ako to leave agnosticism especially if you can prove that only theism causes such a way of life
I think there is a misunderstanding. The post was not about people having to leave agnosticsm. It is about agnosticsm viewing themselves as separately from atheist when the discussions about the existence of gods was rooted on determining how people should live their life.

Of course you can always acknowledge that the existence of dieties is not proveable. But when it comes to your lifestyle, you either have to pick wether you live your life as if there is a god, or there is not. If that is the case, you can still identify as an atheist or theist.. without abandoning you agnostic notion.
 
I think there is a misunderstanding. The post was not about people having to leave agnosticsm. It is about agnosticsm viewing themselves as separately from atheist when the discussions about the existence of gods was rooted on determining how people should live their life.

Of course you can always acknowledge that the existence of dieties is not proveable. But when it comes to your lifestyle, you either have to pick wether you live your life as if there is a god, or there is not. If that is the case, you can still identify as an atheist or theist.. without abandoning you agnostic notion.
ah so di pala ako kasama since like i said i list myself as atheist in a sense that i don't belong to any religion, though i live my life differently now that there is no more self-imposed restrictions due to religion
 
ah so di pala ako kasama since like i said i list myself as atheist in a sense that i don't belong to any religion, though i live my life differently now that there is no more self-imposed restrictions due to religion
I think what ur saying here is that you are non-religious…
 
the way i understand non-religious is that they still have religion and just lacks devotion to it
That could work still.. my atheism is the lack of belief in gods, not just religions… i live myself like there is no god… i guess yan ang point ni TS, whether or not u live urself as if there is a god or not, irrespective na kung nag aaffiliate ka sa any religion or hinde
 
That could work still.. my atheism is the lack of belief in gods, not just religions… i live myself like there is no god… i guess yan ang point ni TS, whether or not u live urself as if there is a god or not, irrespective na kung nag aaffiliate ka sa any religion or hinde
i still remember sinabi ko noon that i consider myself as my god so technically meron nga akong god that clearly exists hehe yung agnosticism ko lang is towards the gods of religion and tama ka we can have gods outside of religion which makes having a god does not necessarily put you into a religion
 
i still remember sinabi ko noon that i consider myself as my god so technically meron nga akong god that clearly exists hehe yung agnosticism ko lang is towards the gods of religion and tama ka we can have gods outside of religion which makes having a god does not necessarily put you into a religion
Consider urself as your god in what sense? And why the need to do that pa?
 
Consider urself as your god in what sense? And why the need to do that pa?
a god in a sense that it's the one that's commanding me hehe although the fact that not having gods external to ourselves already implies god within self or ako na yung god mismo
 
a god in a sense that it's the one that's commanding me hehe although the fact that not having gods external to ourselves already implies god within self or ako na yung god mismo
Or you can say that you’re being yourself…

i guess if the characteristic of a god the “commands” then i guess that somehow works..
 
a god in a sense that it's the one that's commanding me hehe although the fact that not having gods external to ourselves already implies god within self or ako na yung god mismo
I totally dee that being the case. Pero that is just a metaphor. It does not really make you a theist.

Is that not really on the same boat as atheists? Ang moral sense nga ng athiest sa pag counter ng mga mainstream religion is to empower people to have "command" over their own life, versus being under the control of "a god", which is in reality, the control of the religious group on their life.
 

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