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_taka08ra_ said:
We dont know the real story of their lives my friend jordan. The consequences they'd been through, as they were once said they're agnostics. I can see who they really are than what they've said to their last minutes of their lives. Unlike Stephen, he has no hesitation admitting that he was endeed an athiest to his death.

And for this conversation Stephen's not the author of BigBang its Simon Singh. How many of them we had resist/refrain/stop from what they're doing just to put an end to educating humans to mere reality. I do humbly understand your "need" for faith but people "wants" to know and no one can stop them. As long as their going to schools, they know! That's in fact how the world works of knowing the truth.

Uncovering our past helps us pacing tomorrow with a smile on our faces. Might think that we were tricked by our own minds.


Edit; i put an SS below so you may seek for why the genre of that book is "nonfictional". How so?
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Einstein, Nikola Tesla and Isaac Newton also died no hesitation of admitting that God exist. As you put it "We dont know the real story of their lives". And now you are putting it as if it's the truth. :rolleyes:
 
JRDN said:
Einstein, Nikola Tesla and Isaac Newton also died no hesitation of admitting that God exist. As you put it "We dont know the real story of their lives". And now you are putting it as if it's the truth. :rolleyes:
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Nope my friend it is only based on what i've come to realize and unfortunately shared it with you because you ask me too. All i did was depending. And besides you are the one who put those men to arguments. Where you already chatted your point of view using those men and i did my part.

Do i supposed to be quite because your talking with your God? Or Did i twisted your reality about those men for you to conclude that i am putting it as if it's true. We all lie in this world and i do lie also. I spoke the words of God in person and said that this world is wonderfully created by him. But here, we or i can be who i really am. See that's the big difference there, we all LIE.

Edit again; just want to share this also.


Religious and philosophical views of Albert Einstein
Albert Einstein's religious views have been widely studied and often misunderstood. Einstein stated that he believed in the pantheistic God of Baruch Spinoza. He did not believe in a personal God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings, a view which he described as naïve. He clarified however that, "I am not an atheist", preferring to call himself an agnostic, or a "religious nonbeliever." Einstein also stated he did not believe in life after death, adding "one life is enough for me." He was closely involved in his lifetime with several humanist groups.Wikipedia

Nikola Tesla was born in Smiljan in what was then a part of the Austrian Empire and is now in Croatia. He died of coronary thrombosis in New York City in 1943.

Tesla was raised a Serbian Orthodox. His family was likely quite devout as his father was a priest in the church.1

As an ãdül†, Tesla developed a nuanced view of religion and mankind’s place in the universe. You could say his personal philosophy was closer to Buddhist with its orientation toward unity and oneness.

Now it seems isaac newton was the only one that falls with your faith. Hehehe
 
JRDN said:
No, you got me wrong.
My point is.. Kaya ako naniniwala kung bakit ang God of Christianity ang totoong diyos ay dahil may mga basehan ako. Hindi porket faith lang paiiralin eh dapat maniwala na rin ako sa ibang gods. Again, wag mo ipilit saken ang diyos ng iba. Meron akong sapat na batayan diyan. Kung napatunayan ko lang na si buddha pala ang tunay na diyos eh di mag-bubuddhist ako. Pero hindi siya umabot sa quality ng isang absolute God. Sinasamahan ko ito ng arguments at research. May mga qualities ang God of Christianity na wala sa ibang gods. Kaya ko nasasabi na itong Diyos ko ang totoo sa lahat ng diyos-diyosan. And there is so much Fragments, manuscripts, codex, papyrus etc.. na na-collect all around the world (hindi lang sa isang nation or religion based) regarding sa Christianity of God.
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sorry to say but a man is an insignificant tool to identify who's truly god if ever hes existing. sorry but all docs aint enough to prove such an infinite entity. u need infinite evidences to prove an infinite one. if that is ya claim then good for u keep it to ya self, but it isnt okay to brag that your god is truly the one when no one questions.
 
JRDN said:
Evolution has tangible evidence? Where? I point out 7 points na hindi reliable ang evidence nito even scientists accept that fact. Please refute that 7 points why it's still reliable and not demand faith to believe.
And yeah this thread is about proving God. Which is why you should refer into history.
I believe in Bible because it has history na thousand years ago lang which is still observable in fragments, papyrus, codex, manuscripts etc. at yun ang pinakamalapit na basehan. Ayoko magbase sa million years ago na walang evidence.
And kung hindi ka maniniwala sa history.. well, it's up to you. again belief in GOd demands Faith.

Why are you keep insisting me the other gods? They believe in other gods. That's what they chose to believe, so what's the point? I can only say to you that God of Christianity is the only God base on my Faith and base on the history and arguments.
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i dont think so it's good to say that your god is truly the one base on just collected docs which u referring as history. lemme remind u that the history u saying is not even close in the middle of the whole history from the very beginning up to the present. the history of ya god only appears recently. theres so much before that and i think thats enough to say that what u claiming as true god is definitely not. sorry if i attacked u like that but whenever i heard something saying their god is truly the one based on their religion, i have to shake my head. it's better to claim theres someone up there whos god and we even dont know him than claiming someone based on religion basis (lifestory). i was raised being a catholic which is christian but as early as 7yrs old i started to question it and now accepting that what my religion told me who god rlly was, is not valid anymore. i believe that any religion who says what god looks like, what god's story was, etc is not totally true and will never be true bc god is infinite and it needs infinite too to know him which is impossible for a man. so god is neither be proven nor disprove.
 
Dati di rin ako naniniwala eh noon. Eh yung **** may bumubulong lagi saaken na demonyong **** ayon! Natauhan ako. Well for me gos is really exist.
 
JRDN said:
No, you got me wrong.
My point is.. Kaya ako naniniwala kung bakit ang God of Christianity ang totoong diyos ay dahil may mga basehan ako. Hindi porket faith lang paiiralin eh dapat maniwala na rin ako sa ibang gods. Again, wag mo ipilit saken ang diyos ng iba. Meron akong sapat na batayan diyan. Kung napatunayan ko lang na si buddha pala ang tunay na diyos eh di mag-bubuddhist ako. Pero hindi siya umabot sa quality ng isang absolute God. Sinasamahan ko ito ng arguments at research. May mga qualities ang God of Christianity na wala sa ibang gods. Kaya ko nasasabi na itong Diyos ko ang totoo sa lahat ng diyos-diyosan. And there is so much Fragments, manuscripts, codex, papyrus etc.. na na-collect all around the world (hindi lang sa isang nation or religion based) regarding sa Christianity of God.
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Ok.. so have faith and belief that your god, the christian god is the absolute one.

The writings ur mentioning here like the dead sea scrolls right..ung eventually basis for the bible.
Authorship of those books have not been confirmed. Written a long time after jesus' supposed death and cant be considered eye-witness accounts.

U said may qualities si christian god na wala sa ibang gods.. how did u determine na ung qualities na meron ang christian god ang actual na qualification ng isang absolute god? Ano basis mo sa qualities ng isang god? As u said meron ka sapat na batayan jan and u researched.

So im guessing na u have multiple and independent sources.

U mentioned buddha..so san nagfail si buddha as an absolute god?

As topic nga hir na proving god, but u went a level higher by claiming that ur god is the absolute one..
 
_taka08ra_ said:
Nope my friend it is only based on what i've come to realize and unfortunately shared it with you because you ask me too. All i did was depending. And besides you are the one who put those men to arguments. Where you already chatted your point of view using those men and i did my part.

Do i supposed to be quite because your talking with your God? Or Did i twisted your reality about those men for you to conclude that i am putting it as if it's true. We all lie in this world and i do lie also. I spoke the words of God in person and said that this world is wonderfully created by him. But here, we or i can be who i really am. See that's the big difference there, we all LIE.

Edit again; just want to share this also.


Religious and philosophical views of Albert Einstein
Albert Einstein's religious views have been widely studied and often misunderstood. Einstein stated that he believed in the pantheistic God of Baruch Spinoza. He did not believe in a personal God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings, a view which he described as naïve. He clarified however that, "I am not an atheist", preferring to call himself an agnostic, or a "religious nonbeliever." Einstein also stated he did not believe in life after death, adding "one life is enough for me." He was closely involved in his lifetime with several humanist groups.Wikipedia

Nikola Tesla was born in Smiljan in what was then a part of the Austrian Empire and is now in Croatia. He died of coronary thrombosis in New York City in 1943.

Tesla was raised a Serbian Orthodox. His family was likely quite devout as his father was a priest in the church.1

As an ãdül†, Tesla developed a nuanced view of religion and mankind’s place in the universe. You could say his personal philosophy was closer to Buddhist with its orientation toward unity and oneness.

Now it seems isaac newton was the only one that falls with your faith. Hehehe
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Who cares what kind of faith they have? All I is they believe in God, a Supreme Being. Ano ba pinag-uusapin natin? diba belief in God? Ikaw nagpasok ng Stephen Hawking na naniniwala ka sa sinasabi nya kasi genius siya tapos sasabihin mo na ako nagpasok ng argument na yon? Eh kaya ko nga pinasok sila Einstein dahil sa sinabi mo yan. Kaya nga sabi ko pano sila na naniniwala sa Diyos? Isa pa si Nikola Tesla ay naniniwala sa Supreme being who created universe. None of gods of Buddhism na nag-create ng universe. Kung ang pino-point out mo eh yung towards unity at oneness na view niya ay dahil ito sa 369 code nya.
 
iLuv u 3000 said:
sorry to say but a man is an insignificant tool to identify who's truly god if ever hes existing. sorry but all docs aint enough to prove such an infinite entity. u need infinite evidences to prove an infinite one. if that is ya claim then good for u keep it to ya self, but it isnt okay to brag that your god is truly the one when no one questions.
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iLuv u 3000 said:
i dont think so it's good to say that your god is truly the one base on just collected docs which u referring as history. lemme remind u that the history u saying is not even close in the middle of the whole history from the very beginning up to the present. the history of ya god only appears recently. theres so much before that and i think thats enough to say that what u claiming as true god is definitely not. sorry if i attacked u like that but whenever i heard something saying their god is truly the one based on their religion, i have to shake my head. it's better to claim theres someone up there whos god and we even dont know him than claiming someone based on religion basis (lifestory). i was raised being a catholic which is christian but as early as 7yrs old i started to question it and now accepting that what my religion told me who god rlly was, is not valid anymore. i believe that any religion who says what god looks like, what god's story was, etc is not totally true and will never be true bc god is infinite and it needs infinite too to know him which is impossible for a man. so god is neither be proven nor disprove.
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Well, If that's what kind of faith you have. There you have it. Kung yan paniniwala mo eh di go :ROFLMAO:
I claim it because I know what I'm saying. Yun lang naman. I believe it 'cause I have faith in it.
Hindi ko naman pinipilit na maniwala ka sa sinasabi ko. Open discussion lang tong thread.
 
jayendecastro said:
Ok.. so have faith and belief that your god, the christian god is the absolute one.

The writings ur mentioning here like the dead sea scrolls right..ung eventually basis for the bible.
Authorship of those books have not been confirmed. Written a long time after jesus' supposed death and cant be considered eye-witness accounts.

U said may qualities si christian god na wala sa ibang gods.. how did u determine na ung qualities na meron ang christian god ang actual na qualification ng isang absolute god? Ano basis mo sa qualities ng isang god? As u said meron ka sapat na batayan jan and u researched.

So im guessing na u have multiple and independent sources.

U mentioned buddha..so san nagfail si buddha as an absolute god?

As topic nga hir na proving god, but u went a level higher by claiming that ur god is the absolute one..
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The topic here is to prove God, which is "IMPOSSIBLE" dahil nga wala naman dun tayo sa event at walang sapat na evidence. Nagrerely ako sa mga fragments, manuscripts etc kasi I put my faith in it.
Kaya nga need ng Faith to believe. Paulit-ulit ko nalang sinasabi yan.
Hindi ito topic kung sino ang tunay na Diyos. At para sagutin lang ang tanong mo. Si Buddha ay tao hindi Diyos. Buddhism ay naniniwala sa maraming gods, pero wala ni isa man sa mga diyos nila ang magsasabing gumawa ng World/Universe. So hindi siya absolute. Buddhism is more on enlightenment in life.
 
JRDN said:
Who cares what kind of faith they have? All I is they believe in God, a Supreme Being. Ano ba pinag-uusapin natin? diba belief in God? Ikaw nagpasok ng Stephen Hawking na naniniwala ka sa sinasabi nya kasi genius siya tapos sasabihin mo na ako nagpasok ng argument na yon? Eh kaya ko nga pinasok sila Einstein dahil sa sinabi mo yan. Kaya nga sabi ko pano sila na naniniwala sa Diyos? Isa pa si Nikola Tesla ay naniniwala sa Supreme being who created universe. None of gods of Buddhism na nag-create ng universe. Kung ang pino-point out mo eh yung towards unity at oneness na view niya ay dahil ito sa 369 code nya.
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Dyan na nga tayo eh! Sa salitang "paniniwala o naniniwala" alam mo naman kaya ang pinaniniwalaan ng isang pantheist na tulad ni einstein, ang ginagawa nila GOD ay yung mundo at ang universe. Alin dyan yung God na papabor sa paniniwala mo? Basta lang may God yun na yun? Hahaha kaya sinasabi nyang di sya atheist kasi pantheist nga sya at ano pa ang point ng agnostic kung ang beliefs ng isang pantheist ay tulad ng monotheism?basahin mu nga ng maiigi non of it in favors to you.

At tungkol dyan kay tesla iba rin ang pananaw nya mag e-speculate na naman ba tayo? Haha kita naman na ang beliefs nya ay malapit sa paniniwala ng mga budhist. Well, you defined buddhism. Hahaha buti pa nga yung buddhism yung God nila ay para lang ituwid ang tao hindi may magic2x pang nalalaman at creator2x pa ng kung ano2x. Hahaha. Ngayon nakuha mo naman kaya ang pananaw ni tesla?

Si stephen napag usapan na before pa tayo ng usap. Alangan naman eneglict mo yun e nasa isang thread lang tayo.
 
Isipin mo nalang bakit May tao sa Mundo, Anu purpose natin? Diba? Kasi kung iisipin mo finite lang buhay ng Mundo, therefore, May reason bakit tayo ginawa at yun ang kailangan mo malamn , di ako mag sasabi baka sabihin mong biased ako, U need to explore things
 
_taka08ra_ said:
Dyan na nga tayo eh! Sa salitang "paniniwala o naniniwala" alam mo naman kaya ang pinaniniwalaan ng isang pantheist na tulad ni einstein, ang ginagawa nila GOD ay yung mundo at ang universe. Alin dyan yung God na papabor sa paniniwala mo? Basta lang may God yun na yun? Hahaha kaya sinasabi nyang di sya atheist kasi pantheist nga sya at ano pa ang point ng agnostic kung ang beliefs ng isang pantheist ay tulad ng monotheism?basahin mu nga ng maiigi non of it in favors to you.

At tungkol dyan kay tesla iba rin ang pananaw nya mag e-speculate na naman ba tayo? Haha kita naman na ang beliefs nya ay malapit sa paniniwala ng mga budhist. Well, you defined buddhism. Hahaha buti pa nga yung buddhism yung God nila ay para lang ituwid ang tao hindi may magic2x pang nalalaman at creator2x pa ng kung ano2x. Hahaha. Ngayon nakuha mo naman kaya ang pananaw ni tesla?

Si stephen napag usapan na before pa tayo ng usap. Alangan naman eneglict mo yun e nasa isang thread lang tayo.
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Basahin mo ulit tong sinabi ko, hirap magpaliwanag ha :

"Eh pano pala yung mga genius din na naniniwala sa Creator like Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Isaac Newton etc..? "
"Who cares what kind of faith they have? All I is they believe in God, a Supreme Being. "
"Einstein, Nikola Tesla and Isaac Newton also died no hesitation of admitting that God exist "

Kasi nga sinabi mo :
"Stephen, he has no hesitation admitting that he was endeed an athiest to his death. "

Fabor man saken o hindi or What their views of God, who cares?
Kung ang God ni Einstein ay Puno eh di okay.
Kung ang God ni Tesla ay Bato eh di okay.
Kung ang God ni Isaac Newton ay Apple eh di okay.
Ano man ang views ng Faith nila ay sa kanila na yon. yon ang sinasabi ko na they died believing in God, A Supreme Being. A Creator who creates everything.
Hindi mo ba naiintindihan? The flow of argument is Believing God or Not Believing God.
All I know is Science cannot give us The Meaning of Life.

"And besides you are the one who put those men to arguments. Where you already chatted your point of view using those men and i did my part."
Sino tinutukoy mo na you dito? kanino mo ba to nireply? diba saken?
Ang sinabi mo kasi ako nagpasok ang linaw naman diyan deny mo pa.
Why is it so hard for you to admit your fault?

At para sagutin lang yung sa Buddhism, kaya ko nga na-justify ang Buddhism ay hindi absolute dahil ang god nila is not All-Powerful. Hindi kayang gumawa ng miracle hindi kayang gumawa ng universe.
Puro magic? :ROFLMAO:
Sigurado ka sa Bible na walang tinuturo para ituwid ang tao?
Hindi ba tinuro sa Bible na igalang mo ang ama at ina mo?
Hindi ba tinuro sa Bible na mahalin ang kapwa mo?
Hindi ba tinuro sa Bible na wag kang papatay, wag magnanakaw at wag maki-apid sa asawa ng iba?
 
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