🕯️ Traditions There's no God.

[mantissa31416]

the concept of god can neither be prove nor be disprove.

maybe there is god or maybe there is none.
according to a theory , coz of catastrophes, at first man wants to control nature so he invented magic but he failed, so he tried to cooperate with nature, there he invented religion but again he failed so he invented science....

but again who knows.

 

[kagidka]

Its matter of his or our philosophy. If you dig deep deeper to the deepest deep you will ask the most meaningful question, Life is very complex which you cannot deny theirs might be a supreme intellegent designer out there. You can find mathematics in nature even magnetism pattern or cymatics the study of sound.
I believe this life is like a computer simulation someone or a particular group is observing us. Some might say is a bullshit but you cannot even spell "Life" after falling the groud accidentally by throwing randomly. unless someone will.

 

[iLuv u 3000]

Well said paps with that of his level of understanding but the only reason i see in his thoughts is that there is no God after all - God that is widely defined by humans. And you were right by the rest except the last part if we reffer again to the brain of Stephen, Science is proven on earth and we use it everyday. We are fix by doctors Which is more than enough for me. Technologies don't stop updating for us to enjoy a better life. That's science.

And why o why we are studying the work of many brilliant minds? Maybe or just maybe one of us may continue to thier work oneday. That's maybe why stephen still optimistic to the end of his life.

yup science did so much up to this date but Im kinda not sure if human could discover more than the fraction of knowns so far from infinite unknowns. what i like bout science is they upgrade as time passes by while on the other hand, others are still believing that theres something up there for questions that they cant answer. both theories (big bang/god existence) cant be proven but atleast science is doing something.

 

[4lM4R]

All I can say is, Mga taong nagtatanong ng ganyan ay ung to see is to believe, bit kaming mga naniniwala ay to Believe is to see.

Par, tsakabkabnlng maniwala kung nasa Huling hantungan kana , tsaka kna maniwala kung totoo ba sya o hinde. Shalom

 

[Osir1s]

mas tumatag ang paniniwala ko kay god jesus christ kasi yung mga singer sa ibang bansa ay hindi na nila tinatago na illuminati sila. illuminati = anti christ so meron talagang diyos at si jesus christ iyon. ang ating ama. mag dasal lang kayo tuwing gabi at mag simba. mag tiwala sa itaas at tunay ang diyos tunay ang heaven.

 

[lexetmatt]

ewan ko e2 lng alam ko. nag sisimula lagi ang apoy sa usok...

 

[Wakinded]

morality always seeks a higher authority. kapag sinabi mong it is not bad to do this or that, anung basis mo? kung sarili mo lang, delikado yun. you are subjective of your own thoughts and feelings making yourself as your own god.

 

[_no08One_]

yup science did so much up to this date but Im kinda not sure if human could discover more than the fraction of knowns so far from infinite unknowns. what i like bout science is they upgrade as time passes by while on the other hand, others are still believing that theres something up there for questions that they cant answer. both theories (big bang/god existence) cant be proven but atleast science is doing something.

That's also the other point that i do understand people why they praise to Someone Supreme.
Life has endless possibilities as if we use it to the point of how a Scientist think, they're always optimistic.
Where Bing Bang for me is real. Well maybe, it is not a matter of who the powerful is, but maybe it's how deep you had been from seeking facts not stories and you will be enligthened.

 

[asunayuuki09]

It's a matter of faith.

 

[asunayuuki09]

At usually sa mga ganito, tumatawag na ng Diyos kapag naghihingalo na or on the edge..

 

[JRDN]

Hahaha. They dont claim - Science dont have to claim anything that's truth. Oneday we will woke up but few of us already did. Not just bones also traces, footprints unearthed from beneath. These days there's no impossible to trace no more. They can even trace the cause of death. And i dont claim thier work. Hahaha i am only a reader fascinated by the wonderful things life on earth brings by the help of Science. I could not appreciate it more. We must know the defference between "believe to prove" and "prove to believe". I am skeptical as always.

JRDN here is one of quoted notes from Stephen Hawking that we may understand deeper why.

“Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation. What I meant by ‘we would know the mind of God’ is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn’t. I’m an atheist.”

My own understanding with that paragraph. Stephen has already been accepting the fact that we are arguing now. Things on earth or how earth started by a big bang was accepted by him. A man of a genius mind, we are nothing to his understanding. How could he let pass that issue if there is flaws? Think of it. His focus was only the beginning of it all. His work is widely used on physics and math textbooks, studied on college education. Is it still a joke to you? His work black holes and quantum theorem is precise. But he was not able to fix things mathematicaly for issue on these;
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That is why he had said these;
"Some people will be very disappointed if there is not an ultimate theory, that can be formulated as a finite number of principles. I used to belong to that camp, but I have changed my mind. I'm now glad that our search for understanding will never come to an end, and that we will always have the challenge of new discovery. Without it, we would stagnate."

Note; He is still optimistic.

They don't claim naman pala eh. And you just read it lang din. Then you believe it. If you're implying to me na naniniwala ka kay Stephen Hawking dahil inaral nya yon at genius siya kaysa saken kaya yun ang basehan mo. Even you don't admit it you are putting your faith with Stephen Hawking kahit na hindi naman pala solid yung evidence niya at theory lang din.
Eh pano pala yung mga genius din na naniniwala sa Creator like Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Isaac Newton etc..? So etsepwera na sila ganon?
Para saken mas genius yang mga tao na yan dahil sila yung naging foundation natin kung ano ang meron tayo ngayon.
Again, no proof or evidence. Basehan lang.
Para saken ang discovery of God na hindi mabigyan ng explanation ng Science ay mas lalo lang nitong pinapalalim ang Faith ko.
Mas lalo lang nitong pinatutunayan saken na God is Infinite and cannot be explain by mere humans.
Mas lalo lang nitong pinatutunayan na alabok lang tayo sa universe na hinahawakan niya.
Mas lalo lang nitong pinatutunayan kung gaano kaliit ang knowledge ng tao sa All-knowing na Creator.
Kaya bihira ako magreply sa mga ganitong thread eh. Dahil wala naman talagang solid proof ang both sides. Walang mananalo. Just accept the fact that we need Faith in what we Believe.

 

[dummy01]

There is a philosophical proposition that Science, old known as natural philosophy, is for the realm of natural while God is for the realm of supernatural. If natural philosophy can explain God's existence, we can say that Science transcends beyond natural (or no longer Science), or God is not supernatural at all as we supposed it. Either way, mankind will still continue finding for something beyond It. That is how we evolve as a species. Many scientists will agree that God's fingerprint is present if you observe the universe open-mindedly and what's interesting is that the more you study the universe, the more you realize there is God. Hence, it makes more sense and logical to assume there is God, than everything happens in some random circumstances. It requires a leap of faith to believe that something comes from nothing rather than something comes from something.

 

[Powered by Pancit Canton]

Namatay si hawking na itinatanggi ang isang manlalalang o ang posibilidad na lahat ng bagay ay may lumalang, nag judge kagad si hawking daladala ang unawa na nakuha niya lang din naman sa idea na hindi na proved hanggang ngayon, so saan ang brilliant mind dyan kay hawking? Sumampalataya lang din naman yan si hawking sa mga nauna pa sa kaniya na mga gumawa ng idea ng bigbang.

 

[alist1986]

How is that logical??? Tama nman na may mga discoveries tayo, we learn truths, we gain knowledge and from those things we can validate if something is proven true or not. But when u say na u have to believe in something proven or not well thats not logic.kasi if ganun ang reasoning they u have to believe everything. Btw do u believe sa tooth fairy? Or mga immortal elves?

I have to ask lang..which religion ka? Or atleast sino ung god na pinapaniwalaan mo?

Hindi mo nakuha yung ibig kong sabihin bosing, medyo naiba yata yung nasa isip ko o pagkaintindi ko - sorry for that. Sabi mo kasi ay "Setting aside faith" kaya in general na yung usapan or outside religion. Doon sa sinagot ko sa "is it logical to believe in something that cant be or has not been proven? ", (kaya "Yes") ang punto ko kasi ay dahil hindi ako basta-basta naniniwala hangga't di ako nakumbinse. Kung i-relate ko yan noong kasagsagan ng trabaho ko sa planta, maraming akong kasong binigyan ng pansin dahil sa katagang "can't be proven or has not been proven". Ang problema kasi, yung nagsabi ay naniwala na unsolved case yon (because they were convinced it was, for some reason) though in reality ay simple lang yung sagot kung pag-aaralan/kikilos/mag-iisip ng tama. Well, kung verified na unproven talaga, then we have to let go and move on to other things. Sa lahat kasi ng gawain, pangarap, sitwasyon o kahit ano pa yan, kapag naniniwala ka na kaya mong gawin, ma-attain, ma-solve, atbp. kahit pa zero knowledge ka (or from scratch) ay dapat kang may simulang paniwalaan (let's say a theory, a sense of confidence perhaps, or anything which can make you get going) para yon ang sisimulan mo hanggang lumapit ka sa kasagutan, katotohanan man o resulta na hanap mo. It should be straight to the point, rational, realistic, precise, and can be repeated for others to follow if accepted as a standard. If it fails, set aside and give attention to other important things - again. I had used this method if I don't have any idea on anything (proven or not). And it helped/guide me to whatever I want or need in most cases. This is the point of my beliefs, based on my experiences. This is who I am. Wala akong binanggit na GOD dito, yet sad to say I'm an atheist (though born half of my life as a Christian). I lived without a god right now, because I "believe and is convinced" that I don't need one. And I don't need to explain it either - just my choice. But I greatly respect others' beliefs.
(I hope this clarifies my past answer bosing.)

 

[PHC_Blak]

hay nako.... di may problema ka lang e kaya mo natatanong yan.... hirap i explain kung ayaw din makinig sa mga payo ng mga ka PHC nonsense ka Bro if di ka din maniniwala sa mga payo..

i do Respect you

 

[jayendecastro]

Evolution has tangible evidence? Where? I point out 7 points na hindi reliable ang evidence nito even scientists accept that fact. Please refute that 7 points why it's still reliable and not demand faith to believe.
And yeah this thread is about proving God. Which is why you should refer into history.
I believe in Bible because it has history na thousand years ago lang which is still observable in fragments, papyrus, codex, manuscripts etc. at yun ang pinakamalapit na basehan. Ayoko magbase sa million years ago na walang evidence.
And kung hindi ka maniniwala sa history.. well, it's up to you. again belief in GOd demands Faith.

Why are you keep insisting me the other gods? They believe in other gods. That's what they chose to believe, so what's the point? I can only say to you that God of Christianity is the only God base on my Faith and base on the history and arguments.

Paps i tot i answered those already sa post ko pero sge i will address each one sa next post ko. Kala ko di na tayo magkakahabaan ng sagot..hirap type...hahahaha....

To answer lang this one first..if u refer to history eh there are more ancient texts than the bible if thats what ur reffering to. Other civilization or society before have their own history in such ancient documents. Why not have faith in those? Why not choose to believe in those?? That goes for gods as well.

Because its ur choice to believe in ur god and their choice to believe in others?

Faith requires no reasoning. U can have faith in anything. No matter how contradictory the facts or evidence are against ur belief and u apply ur faith you will just ignore those things and stick with ur faith.

Faith isnt evidence, faith is subjective and isnt reliable in searching for actual truth or facts.

A buddhist, muslim, hindu, etc can san that their god is the only god based on their faith, based on history. So sino senyo ang tama?

 

[JRDN]

Paps i tot i answered those already sa post ko pero sge i will address each one sa next post ko. Kala ko di na tayo magkakahabaan ng sagot..hirap type...hahahaha....

To answer lang this one first..if u refer to history eh there are more ancient texts than the bible if thats what ur reffering to. Other civilization or society before have their own history in such ancient documents. Why not have faith in those? Why not choose to believe in those?? That goes for gods as well.

Because its ur choice to believe in ur god and their choice to believe in others?

Faith requires no reasoning. U can have faith in anything. No matter how contradictory the facts or evidence are against ur belief and u apply ur faith you will just ignore those things and stick with ur faith.

Faith isnt evidence, faith is subjective and isnt reliable in searching for actual truth or facts.

A buddhist, muslim, hindu, etc can san that their god is the only god based on their faith, based on history. So sino senyo ang tama?

No, you got me wrong.
My point is.. Kaya ako naniniwala kung bakit ang God of Christianity ang totoong diyos ay dahil may mga basehan ako. Hindi porket faith lang paiiralin eh dapat maniwala na rin ako sa ibang gods. Again, wag mo ipilit saken ang diyos ng iba. Meron akong sapat na batayan diyan. Kung napatunayan ko lang na si buddha pala ang tunay na diyos eh di mag-bubuddhist ako. Pero hindi siya umabot sa quality ng isang absolute God. Sinasamahan ko ito ng arguments at research. May mga qualities ang God of Christianity na wala sa ibang gods. Kaya ko nasasabi na itong Diyos ko ang totoo sa lahat ng diyos-diyosan. And there is so much Fragments, manuscripts, codex, papyrus etc.. na na-collect all around the world (hindi lang sa isang nation or religion based) regarding sa Christianity of God.

 

[jayendecastro]

di ba ang topic dito there's no God
isa ito sa nag papatunay na my diyos .

yes pic lang yan pero isipin mong mabuti. di kaba nag tataka kung panu yan nagawa isipin mo sobrang liit tapos my mga unique na desinyo , walang dalawang snowflakes ang pareho .hey magagawa ba ng tao yan magagawa BA ng science yan hey that is not an accident .tanging diyos lang makakagawa nyan. kung para sayo walang diyos .one of the evidence that there is a god.Amen

So its pretty,their unique hence god??

On a lab setting they can make so called "designer snowflakes" .

Like i said may explanation si gugel about sa formation nean.

Lets say, ganon..unexplained or uniques or sobrang ganda ng isang bagay or pangyayari..how do u conclude na si god nga yun??

 

[_no08One_]

They don't claim naman pala eh. And you just read it lang din. Then you believe it. If you're implying to me na naniniwala ka kay Stephen Hawking dahil inaral nya yon at genius siya kaysa saken kaya yun ang basehan mo. Even you don't admit it you are putting your faith with Stephen Hawking kahit na hindi naman pala solid yung evidence niya at theory lang din.

Eh pano pala yung mga genius din na naniniwala sa Creator like Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Isaac Newton etc..? So etsepwera na sila ganon?

Para saken mas genius yang mga tao na yan dahil sila yung naging foundation natin kung ano ang meron tayo ngayon.

Again, no proof or evidence. Basehan lang.

Para saken ang discovery of God na hindi mabigyan ng explanation ng Science ay mas lalo lang nitong pinapalalim ang Faith ko.

Mas lalo lang nitong pinatutunayan saken na God is Infinite and cannot be explain by mere humans.

Mas lalo lang nitong pinatutunayan na alabok lang tayo sa universe na hinahawakan niya.

Mas lalo lang nitong pinatutunayan kung gaano kaliit ang knowledge ng tao sa All-knowing na Creator.

Kaya bihira ako magreply sa mga ganitong thread eh. Dahil wala naman talagang solid proof ang both sides. Walang mananalo. Just accept the fact that we need Faith in what we Believe.

We dont know the real story of their lives my friend jordan. The consequences they'd been through, as they were once said they're agnostics. I can see who they really are than what they've said to their last minutes of their lives. Unlike Stephen, he has no hesitation admitting that he was endeed an athiest to his death.

And for this conversation Stephen's not the author of BigBang its Simon Singh. How many of them we had resist/refrain/stop from what they're doing just to put an end to educating humans to mere reality. I do humbly understand your "need" for faith but people "wants" to know and no one can stop them. As long as their going to schools, they know! That's in fact how the world works of knowing the truth.

Uncovering our past helps us pacing tomorrow with a smile on our faces. Might think that we were tricked by our own minds.


Edit; i put an SS below so you may seek for why the genre of that book is "nonfictional". How so?

 

[Millie Parfait]

Si quiboloy lang ang makakasagot sayo hahaha