Thoughts About Duterte's ICC Arrest

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Thoughts About Duterte's ICC Arrest
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1. Was Duterte's arrest îllégâl?
--> No. It was supposed to be yes, but Duterte himself withdrew the Philippines from the Rome Statute in March 2019. This means that the Rome Statute no longer applies to the Philippines since then.

2. Why does the ICC still meddle with crimes in the Philippines despite its withdrawal from the Rome Statute?
--> The ICC retains jurisdiction over crimes committed before the withdrawal. The ICC has the legal right to prosecute Duterte for crimes that happen before March 2019.

3. Why does Duterte invoke Article 59 of the Rome Statute to claim that his arrest was îllégâl?
--> Because this is his last clear chance to avoid accountability for the crimes committed during his WOD.

So, why attempt to invoke this right?
MY OPINION: Duterte, once again, is trying to play his card by toying with the laws that govern countries, including the Philippines and its citizens.

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[Soul Calibre]

haha ikaw yung may thread bossing at sabi mo backed by articles yung thread mo, yung pala opinion ang articles, it still doesn't change the fact that none of your articles prove that Rome Statute no longer applies

Did you not read the articles on my thread o sadyang ang focus mo lang ay just a part of it? Parehas kayo nung isa. You don’t consider the whole thread, but rather pick a part of it and that’s it.

Hindi pa ba obvious na hindi na applicable sa kanya yun a year after he submitted a withdrawal? I guess mahina lang ang pang-intindi mo.

Again, asan articles mo?

panong di gumana? Eh di mo gusto ang AI as if hindi nanggaling sa dictionary ang meaning nya. I just wen to the source itself. LMAO. Just admit na that you are bias and double standard.

Tutal ang highlight is politician, let me give you a hint. Kunwari lumaban akong senador. With that being said, I can say I am a politician kasi I got involved in politics. The question is, should I then be considered a high profile individual?

Excuse at damage control nayang mga sinasabi mo na di kuno na intindihan na ikaw mismo nag sabi na nagtatago.

Nagtatago kasi hindi naman alam ng lahat ang whereabouts nya. Excuse and damage control? Ahahahaha. Nakakatawang simpleng bagay hindi maintindihan

Then wag mong gamitin na excuse na hindi daw nadakip si Putin dahil nandun sya sa non member sa ICC. Just because PH was once a member, the PH itself has the power not to obliged to whatever the ICC demands since we are no longer a member. It's clearly a political move.

That was just one of the possible reasons I stated. Isa ka rin.. intindihin mo ang buong statement, hindi lang part ng statement.

 

[KuririChan]

The arrest happened this year, and he is arrested for alleged crimes when we are still a member. Gets?


Context?


Then?

Is this even relevant? LMAO

Can the ICC arrest Duterte in the Philippines using local laws? Most of these laws are about arrests in the Philippines or dealing with other countries, not the ICC. So, it’s a confusing situation there’s no clear yes or no.

The Supreme Court says the Philippines should still work with the ICC, but it doesn’t explain how an arrest would actually happen. This makes it a legal gray area right now.

 

[The Sexiest of All]

Ang saya magbasa.

 

[plhbg1]

Did you not read the articles on my thread o sadyang ang focus mo lang ay just a part of it? Parehas kayo nung isa. You don’t consider the whole thread, but rather pick a part of it and that’s it.

yung ibang parts boss may nag-a-argue na so focus lang tayo dito sa claim mong hindi na applicable ang Rome Statute

Hindi pa ba obvious na hindi na applicable sa kanya yun a year after he submitted a withdrawal? I guess mahina lang ang pang-intindi mo.

kaya nga sabi ko na if sakaling maging totoo yang claim mo ay binibigyan mo lang ng reason ang pagka delay ng icc intervention

Again, asan articles mo?

wala sakin ang burden of proof bossing, ikaw yung may thread at ikaw yung may claim, kami hanggang agree or disagree lang kami

 

[Soul Calibre]

yung ibang parts boss may nag-a-argue na so focus lang tayo dito sa claim mong hindi na applicable ang Rome Statute

The articles I provided sa thread ay related to each point, including the fact that Rome Statute no longer applies in the Philippines. Ang focus mo lang ay yung isang article. Kung binasa mo sana at inintindi, baka naintindihan mo pa.

kaya nga sabi ko na if sakaling maging totoo yang claim mo ay binibigyan mo lang ng reason ang pagka delay ng icc intervention

May instant arrest ba without investigation? Aaahh.. meron! Nung panahon ni Digong. Lawful ba? I don’t think so.

wala sakin ang burden of proof bossing, ikaw yung may thread at ikaw yung may claim, kami hanggang agree or disagree lang kami

Patawa. Kaya naman pala ganyan ang galawan mo kasi your mindset is, kung hindi ikaw ang gumawa ng thread, you don’t have to provide anything that could support your argument.. basta ang mahalaga ay makipag-discussion at manipulate at the same time. Non-sense! Well, kung ganyan lang din naman pala, it doesn’t make sense din na pinapansin ko pa ang arguments mo. Just like what they always say “I rest my case”.

Allow me to quote:

In the interest of justice, the relevant Philippine authorities may dispense with the investigation or prosecution of a crime punishable under this Act if another court or international tribunal is already conducting the investigation or undertaking the prosecution of such crime. Instead, the authorities may surrender or extradite suspected or accused persons in the Philippines to the appropriate international court, if any, or to another State pursuant to the applicable extradition laws and treaties.

Source: R.A. 9851, Chapter 7, Section 17
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[plhbg1]

The articles I provided sa thread ay related to each point, including the fact that Rome Statute no longer applies in the Philippines. Ang focus mo lang ay yung isang article. Kung binasa mo sana at inintindi, baka naintindihan mo pa.

i repeat none of them proves that Rome Statute no longer applies, they rather prove our withdrawal from icc, and that digong's arrest is not warrantless, and the existence of the Rome Statute. None of them proves that Rome Statute no longer applies

May instant arrest ba without investigation? Aaahh.. meron! Nung panahon ni Digong. Lawful ba? I don’t think so.

haha kaya nga sabi ko mas lalong naging questionable ang more than ten years of delayed intervention ng icc if may benefit naman pala ang icc if dun sila mag arrest sa time na kumalas na

Patawa. Kaya naman pala ganyan ang galawan mo kasi your mindset is, kung hindi ikaw ang gumawa ng thread, you don’t have to provide anything that could support your argument.. basta ang mahalaga ay makipag-discussion at manipulate at the same time. Non-sense! Well, kung ganyan lang din naman pala, it doesn’t make sense din na pinapansin ko pa ang arguments mo. Just like what they always say “I rest my case”.

Allow me to quote:

Source: R.A. 9851, Chapter 7, Section 17
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basahin mo yung last phrase sa quote mo bossing

 

[HowSoonIsNow]

The justice system is not only handled by judiciary. Hindi mo alam yan?

boss anong masasabi mo dito? wala sa listahan ang congress at senate na kabilang sa legislative at executive branch ng goverment? ang sabi ko kasi, ang impeachment complain is sa congress isinusumite at ang justice system ay sa korte wala sa congress. ano ba yung sinasabi mong hindi ko alam? para yatang hindi umaayon sayo yung mga nakasulat dito ha? hahaha

the justice system is primarily handled by the judiciary, which includes courts, judges, and related personnel, along with law enforcement and prosecutorial agencies.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Judiciary:
  • Courts: The court system, ranging from lower courts to supreme courts, interprets and applies the law in specific cases.
    

• Judges: Judges preside over court proceedings, make rulings, and ensure the fair application of the law.
  
  
• Court personnel: This includes court clerks, bailiffs, and other staff who support the functioning of the courts.
  
  
• Other investigative agencies: Agencies like the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) also play a role in investigating crimes.

• Department of Justice: In some countries, a Ministry of Justice or Department of Justice oversees the justice system, including prosecution and sometimes the judiciary and prisons.
  
  
• Private Defense Attorneys: Represent defendants in criminal and civil cases.
  
  
• Magistrates: Officers who have the power to preside over court proceedings, especially in minor cases.
  
  
• Juries: In some legal systems, juries are drawn from the local citizenry to decide the facts of a case.
  

 

[Nemec]

Ibig sabihin pala ngaun if di ka member ng ICC pero member ka ng Interpol ..under ka na din ng ICC . kaya lahat ng bansa na sakop ng interpol is under na ng ICC .....ayos ah ICC and interpol as one ..ei di wow

 

[Lelouch2]

Tutal ang highlight is politician, let me give you a hint. Kunwari lumaban akong senador. With that being said, I can say I am a politician kasi I got involved in politics. The question is, should I then be considered a high profile individual?

I reject the premise. Hindi applicable ang premise mo with Delima. Since she is clearly a politician and not just an ordinary politician but a NATIONAL POLITICIAN. Admit na kasi na bias ka at double standard

Nagtatago kasi hindi naman alam ng lahat ang whereabouts nya. Excuse and damage control? Ahahahaha. Nakakatawang simpleng bagay hindi maintindihan

Nagtatago equals to di alam ang wherabouts? naka punta nga sa Mongola. Excuse pa more. Hahahahah. Admit na kasi na nagkamali ka.

That was just one of the possible reasons I stated. Isa ka rin.. intindihin mo ang buong statement, hindi lang part ng statement.

Lol! My statement was not directly said to the original post. It was was a reply about our conversation about Putin. Read again.

 

[Xirvana]

We have a working justice system, but the system itself lacks kaya hindi gumagalaw. And when the local justice system cannot or is not willing to impose justice, the ICC can step in

This only my own opinion but ICC has rule 59, which is di nakalagay dun nakailangan member ka para maiapply yun. Which is mali pa din kasi we have good justice system. Una regarding naman sa mga case na di gumagalaw we can recall that all the hearing of the house of reps conduct last year that all duterte statement na inamin nya na ginawa nya at sya ang dapat managot which its recorded on tv pero meron ba ginawa sina sen risa at ibang committee of that hearing para i prosecute si duterte. Wala naman nagpasa ng kaso sa SC which dapat ginawa nila at ngayon sasabihin na last resort yung ICC? Its kinda stupidity on the highest level, and ICC should respect the justice system of our country kasi malaking sampal to sa SC at sa mga nagpapractice ng law dito sa pinas.

So? It’s an article posted my Manila Times, though tagged as opinion. Eh ikaw? Nasaan articles mo? Maglabas ka muna kung meron man


It will circle back to what I stated… our justice system is broken that’s why nobody formally filed an impeachment case.

Bossing pano mo nasabi na broken justice system natin kasi di ba lahat ng gusto mo nasusunod or nagagawa? matter of fact kung nasa UK and EU tayo at nagsasabi ang mga tao ng contradict sa sinasabi mo regarding sa government baka nasa kulungan na lahat. Now tell me if kung sino mas broken mas yung justice system, here in ph we dont need to wait 6 months para magkaroon ng iniatial hearing ang isang kaso, our law stated that in 30 days hearing should be conducted contradict kaya natin yan sa 6 months ng ICC.

 

[STICKnoLOGIC]

hmm... parang smokescreen lang si duterte, may magpapabango jan, and parang trap si duterte sa mga kampo/kaalyado niya (like si zenku (from what anime?) and si ruffa), once nag move sila, pedeng checkmate sila(matalo this election), though maraming mga nag sentiment about "Du30 chu chu, bla bla", well mostly they are for the clout/bugso ng community (like pagtatagpo ni aldub, although di ako fan, napapost ako)... well its just my thought, a wandering thought.. any ideas you could share about my thought????????? "Please give a like and hit that follow button" JK

 

[plhbg1]

klaro naman na siguro yung position ng OSG na walang jurisdiction ang icc, at kahit pa ipagpalagay na meron nga ay still spare court lang sila, sana matahimik ka na din kasabay ng pag surrender ng SolGen ng republika hehe

 

[Soul Calibre]

boss anong masasabi mo dito? wala sa listahan ang congress at senate na kabilang sa legislative at executive branch ng goverment? ang sabi ko kasi, ang impeachment complain is sa congress isinusumite at ang justice system ay sa korte wala sa congress. ano ba yung sinasabi mong hindi ko alam? para yatang hindi umaayon sayo yung mga nakasulat dito ha? hahaha

the justice system is primarily handled by the judiciary, which includes courts, judges, and related personnel, along with law enforcement and prosecutorial agencies.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Judiciary:
  • Courts: The court system, ranging from lower courts to supreme courts, interprets and applies the law in specific cases.
• Judges: Judges preside over court proceedings, make rulings, and ensure the fair application of the law.
  
  
• Court personnel: This includes court clerks, bailiffs, and other staff who support the functioning of the courts.
  
  
• Other investigative agencies: Agencies like the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) also play a role in investigating crimes.

• Department of Justice: In some countries, a Ministry of Justice or Department of Justice oversees the justice system, including prosecution and sometimes the judiciary and prisons.
  
  
• Private Defense Attorneys: Represent defendants in criminal and civil cases.
  
  
• Magistrates: Officers who have the power to preside over court proceedings, especially in minor cases.
  
  
• Juries: In some legal systems, juries are drawn from the local citizenry to decide the facts of a case.

Bumalik na naman sya sa gawa ng AI. LOL!

Ibig sabihin pala ngaun if di ka member ng ICC pero member ka ng Interpol ..under ka na din ng ICC . kaya lahat ng bansa na sakop ng interpol is under na ng ICC .....ayos ah ICC and interpol as one ..ei di wow

Saan mo naman napulot yan? Assuming or manipulation din. Wala na bang bago sa inyo? Wahahahahaha

I reject the premise. Hindi applicable ang premise mo with Delima. Since she is clearly a politician and not just an ordinary politician but a NATIONAL POLITICIAN. Admit na kasi na bias ka at double standard

So kapag lumaban sa as a senatorial candidate, hindi “national politician”? Hahahahaha

Nagtatago equals to di alam ang wherabouts? naka punta nga sa Mongola. Excuse pa more. Hahahahah. Admit na kasi na nagkamali ka.

May on-going investigation nga sa kanya. That means ICC is tracking him down. Ano ba ang term na ginagamit kung ang isang wanted ay hindi malaman ang whereabouts? Edi nagbabakasyon! Wagahahahahahaha

Lol! My statement was not directly said to the original post. It was was a reply about our conversation about Putin. Read again.

My response is a direct response to your reply. Read and understand.

This only my own opinion but ICC has rule 59, which is di nakalagay dun nakailangan member ka para maiapply yun. Which is mali pa din kasi we have good justice system. Una regarding naman sa mga case na di gumagalaw we can recall that all the hearing of the house of reps conduct last year that all duterte statement na inamin nya na ginawa nya at sya ang dapat managot which its recorded on tv pero meron ba ginawa sina sen risa at ibang committee of that hearing para i prosecute si duterte. Wala naman nagpasa ng kaso sa SC which dapat ginawa nila at ngayon sasabihin na last resort yung ICC? Its kinda stupidity on the highest level, and ICC should respect the justice system of our country kasi malaking sampal to sa SC at sa mga nagpapractice ng law dito sa pinas.

Sa tingin mo, bakit walang nag-file ng case dito sa Pinas?

Bossing pano mo nasabi na broken justice system natin kasi di ba lahat ng gusto mo nasusunod or nagagawa? matter of fact kung nasa UK and EU tayo at nagsasabi ang mga tao ng contradict sa sinasabi mo regarding sa government baka nasa kulungan na lahat. Now tell me if kung sino mas broken mas yung justice system, here in ph we dont need to wait 6 months para magkaroon ng iniatial hearing ang isang kaso, our law stated that in 30 days hearing should be conducted contradict kaya natin yan sa 6 months ng ICC.

Kasi nga broken ang justice system. Something is lacking and it’s been that way matagal na.

klaro naman na siguro yung position ng OSG na walang jurisdiction ang icc, at kahit pa ipagpalagay na meron nga ay still spare court lang sila, sana matahimik ka na din kasabay ng pag surrender ng SolGen ng republika hehe

Wahahahaha. Still feeding your ego, eh?

Sabi ko nga, at dahil baluktot ang mindset mo, non-sense lang kung mag-reply pa ako sa’yo. So, this will be my last reply sa’yo until baguhin mo ang mindset mong “the burden of proof ay sa thread started lang”. Sumagi sa isipan ko na i-try ko ang ganyang mindset kaso nasuka ako. Nakakasuka kasi. Bye!

 

[Lelouch2]

So kapag lumaban sa as a senatorial candidate, hindi “national politician”? Hahahahaha

Lol! keep evading the facts. LMAO. keep circling with your argument. It doesn't help. Just admit you are bias and have double standard on the issue.

May on-going investigation nga sa kanya. That means ICC is tracking him down. Ano ba ang term na ginagamit kung ang isang wanted ay hindi malaman ang whereabouts? Edi nagbabakasyon! Wagahahahahahaha

Naririnig moba ang mga sinasabi mo? mukang na mema kana a. Bakit ba need pa mag tago kuno if on going pa pala. One time sinabi mo na may Arrest warrant na at ngayon may on going pa na investigation.

Panong ngang hindi malaman ang whereabouts nga naka punta nga sa Mongalia. Di ka ata nag babasa eh. Na wendang na.

 

[H I H O]

I say justice has prevailed for all EJK victims and their families!

 

[xXmartoXx]

LOL. So, hindi mo pala naiintindihan ang mga sinabi mo? Back read mo ang sinabi mo.

The alleged crimes. Obvious naman sana kaso hindi mo pala alam.


Ilabas mo ang proof mo…

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Nauna pa akong naglabas ng proof. Asan na proof mo?

See..Hehehe...Ganyan yan maki-pagargumento.

Gawa ng AI yan? LOL. Let me dance the way you dance. Heto... gawa rin ito ng AI:

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Did you even read the article I stated earlier? Let me quote...



When I stated nagtatago, I didn't mean na nagtatago inside a closet or something. What I mean is, either unknown ang whereabouts nya or nasa mga non-ICC member countries sya.

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Manipulative as always.. wala na bang bago? Binasa mo ba ang mga sinabi mo?

My statements were backed with an article. Ikaw, nasaan ang article na hinihinge ko? Bakit wala kang maibigay? Kasi ang argument mo, based on nothing but your own opinion. Your opinion against a statement backed by an article.. your point is pointless.

Walang proof pero kuda at joke meron.

The articles I provided sa thread ay related to each point, including the fact that Rome Statute no longer applies in the Philippines. Ang focus mo lang ay yung isang article. Kung binasa mo sana at inintindi, baka naintindihan mo pa.

May instant arrest ba without investigation? Aaahh.. meron! Nung panahon ni Digong. Lawful ba? I don’t think so.

Patawa. Kaya naman pala ganyan ang galawan mo kasi your mindset is, kung hindi ikaw ang gumawa ng thread, you don’t have to provide anything that could support your argument.. basta ang mahalaga ay makipag-discussion at manipulate at the same time. Non-sense! Well, kung ganyan lang din naman pala, it doesn’t make sense din na pinapansin ko pa ang arguments mo. Just like what they always say “I rest my case”.

Allow me to quote:

Source: R.A. 9851, Chapter 7, Section 17
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Talagang kilalang kilala dito yan sa PHC na puro joke mga pinagsasasabi.

Kaya nga pagkausap ko yan, hindi ko na need maglatag ng anomang backed up...Dahil mismong statements nya ang dumudurog sa kanya.

Sayang talaga oras mo dyan makipag argue. linyahan nya yan palagi "wala sakin ang burden of proof bossing"...hehehe...as if meron syang tinitindigang proof, kaya suplak lagi yan at hindi pumapalag sa face to face debate.

Bumalik na naman sya sa gawa ng AI. LOL!


Saan mo naman napulot yan? Assuming or manipulation din. Wala na bang bago sa inyo? Wahahahahaha


So kapag lumaban sa as a senatorial candidate, hindi “national politician”? Hahahahaha

May on-going investigation nga sa kanya. That means ICC is tracking him down. Ano ba ang term na ginagamit kung ang isang wanted ay hindi malaman ang whereabouts? Edi nagbabakasyon! Wagahahahahahaha

My response is a direct response to your reply. Read and understand.


Sa tingin mo, bakit walang nag-file ng case dito sa Pinas?

Kasi nga broken ang justice system. Something is lacking and it’s been that way matagal na.


Wahahahaha. Still feeding your ego, eh?

Sabi ko nga, at dahil baluktot ang mindset mo, non-sense lang kung mag-reply pa ako sa’yo. So, this will be my last reply sa’yo until baguhin mo ang mindset mong “the burden of proof ay sa thread started lang”. Sumagi sa isipan ko na i-try ko ang ganyang mindset kaso nasuka ako. Nakakasuka kasi. Bye!

Nag mamanifest talaga ang mga katangahan ng mga dutae sa mga garapata nila...hahaha, sukat mag file ng petition sa SC about ICC...ang resulta hindi kinagat ng OSG, kabobohan talaga mga natutunan nitong mga garapata nila.

Instead "INTERPOL" ang inilagay sa petition, inilagay ICC...matatawa ka na lang talaga sa puro joke pinag gagagawa ng mga garapatang ito.

 

[Xirvana]

Bumalik na naman sya sa gawa ng AI. LOL!


Saan mo naman napulot yan? Assuming or manipulation din. Wala na bang bago sa inyo? Wahahahahaha


So kapag lumaban sa as a senatorial candidate, hindi “national politician”? Hahahahaha

May on-going investigation nga sa kanya. That means ICC is tracking him down. Ano ba ang term na ginagamit kung ang isang wanted ay hindi malaman ang whereabouts? Edi nagbabakasyon! Wagahahahahahaha

My response is a direct response to your reply. Read and understand.


Sa tingin mo, bakit walang nag-file ng case dito sa Pinas?

Kasi nga broken ang justice system. Something is lacking and it’s been that way matagal na.


Wahahahaha. Still feeding your ego, eh?

Sabi ko nga, at dahil baluktot ang mindset mo, non-sense lang kung mag-reply pa ako sa’yo. So, this will be my last reply sa’yo until baguhin mo ang mindset mong “the burden of proof ay sa thread started lang”. Sumagi sa isipan ko na i-try ko ang ganyang mindset kaso nasuka ako. Nakakasuka kasi. Bye!

Your logic about our justice system so called "broken" kasi sabi mo "something is lacking and it’s been that way matagal na." is so bias para tawagin "broken" dahil sa political belief mo. Its only broken for those people who aren't educated enough and naive to tell the difference of our justice system to other countries. We have a good and working justice system here in ph far from any countries kasi mas priority natin ang freedom of speech compare sa ibang bansa katulad ng UK at EU tapos sasabihin mo lang na "Broken" nahiya naman kami nag aaral ng ng law natin.

 

[plhbg1]

Wahahahaha. Still feeding your ego, eh?

Sabi ko nga, at dahil baluktot ang mindset mo, non-sense lang kung mag-reply pa ako sa’yo. So, this will be my last reply sa’yo until baguhin mo ang mindset mong “the burden of proof ay sa thread started lang”. Sumagi sa isipan ko na i-try ko ang ganyang mindset kaso nasuka ako. Nakakasuka kasi. Bye!

hindi ko yan mindset, mag-aral ka kasi ng law kahit isang subject lang ng law course para ma-educate ka that the burden is always on the accusing side or the claiming side, never talaga yan magiging burden ng reactors or defense side

 

[HowSoonIsNow]

Lol! keep evading the facts. LMAO. keep circling with your argument. It doesn't help. Just admit you are bias and have double standard on the issue.

matatawa ka na lang talaga sa pang batang arguments ni ts eh.

Bumalik na naman sya sa gawa ng AI. LOL!

when you cant debunk the facts lols

 

[elsup]

Hahaham kasali pa rin politika nainis lang Ako Kasi kapwa Pinoy walang tulungan