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Bakit mo nasabing superstitious belief lang ang Diyos?
Kung hindi totoo ang Diyos di sana hindi rin totoo ang mga nakasulat sa bible mga lugar at tao. Hindi ba totoo ang mga Israelita? Hindi ba totoo ang bansang Egypt? Madami pang mga lugar tao na nakasulat sa bible na totoo.
Naniniwala kaba sa big bang theory? Naniniwala ka bang ang tao ay nag evolved mula sa unggoy gaya ng paniniwala ng mga scientist?
Meron bang nakakita ng pangyayari ng big bang theory? Wala ito ay paniniwala lang din nila. Kung ang tao ay nag evolved mula sa unggoy bakit meron paring mga unggoy at gorilla hahaha.
Naniniwala ang tao sa Diyos dahil sa bible na binubuoo ng aklat at isinulat sa ibat ibang panahon ngunit pare pareho ang sinsabi na may Diyos na lumalang ng lahat ng bagay. Kung hindi totoo ang biblia ay hindi sana toong may mga Israelita Egyptian at kung ano ano pang nakalagay sa biblia.
jayendecastro
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Eh pano yan man-made din ang mga book of science? Pwede ko bang sabihin na lahat ng Book of Science ay hindi credible at mali? Saan mo ba ako gusto mag-base?
-yes, man made ang mga books containing scientific studies, explaining many phenomenon. Credibility and correctness?? U know nmn sguro ang process bago makapagpublish ng scientific studies ryt?? Test, test, test...independent testing and pag same result each time maeestablish un until it can be proven wrong or inaccurate.. and im hoping alam mo din nman sguro ang retractions?? Even scientist retract some of their works pag napatunayang mali.
So san nga magbabase?? Kung ano ang true and accurate at our present time. Can it change? NO..Is it absolute? NO
Kaya nga inexplain ko ito gamit ang law of gravity. Dahil alam naman natin na it has been proven na it exist and is 100% correct at hindi pwedeng ideny yan.
- gravity. Law sya. Cant deny yan and anyone can even demostrate it. How is gravity attributed to god nga?
Are you saying dito na non-beliver ka as a non-believer? at Hindi ka pumapanig sa Evolution theory or Big Bang theory?
tama ba ang term ko na you are "in-between"? (wag muna natin gamitin ang word na atheist)
-ulitin ko pinost ko ha:
Bat mo ba kasi pinupunta sa ako magbibigay ng proof eh i never made any claim nga..hahahaha.. im questioning and not believing the claim of god's existence. I didnt claim na walang god kasi i cant prove that, ur claiming that there is so the burden of proof falls sayo. Hope u get the difference of non believing and believing.
U dont get my point eh, i dont need proof to not believe...i will however need one to believe..BELIEVE IN GOD sinasabi ko and nothing else..ung pagiginy atheist ang sinasabi ko. Kung maaddress mo yang proof requirement ng EXISTENCE NG GOD then macoconvince mo ko.
As i said, atheism is the non-belief of god/deity. Okay?
Di porket atheist eh evolutionist. Pdng atheist and evolutionist, pdng atheist na secular din. Ang premise lang ng atheist is NON-BELIEF IN GOD. YUN LANG. he can adopt other principles that he wants pero ang ONLY premise is NON-BELIEF IN GOD.
okay?? So stop injecting na porket atheist ako eh matic evolutionist agad. Kinaklaro ko lang ang atheism ko..okay??
Now, outside my atheism..para sagutin ko lang.YES, i believe that big bang and evolution ang current best model for explaining the origin of life and the cosmos. Why "current"? Kase as ive said numerous times..wala pang absolute truth. No one has come up with that yet. NO ONE. not a medieval storyteller, not the combined minds of the smartest scientist etc..NO ONE.
address ko na yan in two parts ha..atheism is not equivalent to evolutionist, big bang, aliens, or any of that..okay??
Ang theory ba ni Richard Dawkins ang pinaniniwalaan mo? Or ginamit mo lang yung quote niya? Kasi parang pareho kayo ng thinking eh, or can I assume na sa kanya galing yung information na meron ka?
- duuuh..u brought him up db?? So malamang gagamitin ko din quote nea. You flaunted his credentials tapos now parang lukewarm ka na about him?
Yung studies nea about life's complexity in relation to evolution..yes..maganda ang explanation nya non at syempre may data sya for that. Like u said, he's a scientist so alam mo n nmm sguro ang proseso bago mag claim ang isang scientist..if not pakibasa ulit sa taas.
And i dont single out Dawkins. Di sya ang ultimate source ng truth sa mga aspeto ng science. Madame scientist and usually may kanya kanya silang specialization. If its a consensus in the scientfic community then its hard to deny that. May consensus ba sa religious or theist community?? Nope..may division pa nga db, from the largest religions to small sects di pare pareho ang paniniwala.
(Tingin ko ito palang masasagot ko sa mga questions mo)
In this statement. Partly siguro masasabi kong hindi niyo maiintindihan ni Dawkins yan.
Kasi Bible question yan that needs Bible explanation.
- di maiintindihan si Dawkins?? He wrote that sa book nea. And he was asked about it and confirmed it all the time na yun ang meant nea. Dinescribe nea si god as per the bible, kung ano ang portrayal kay god sa bible specifically the old testament god.
He was not asking, he was stating his opinion of god. So whatt do u mean na bible question yon? And wat explanation do u mean?
Yes it's true, but it only applies for Human Beings and its morale.
But it doesn't apply to God. God is Perfect. God can give you life or can take your life. He owns it, remember?
- again, he made a statement describing GOD. if u say its true alin part don?? Lahat?
Only applies to human beings and morale? Huh?? So u think lahat ng ginawa ni god na un is morally correct kasi dios sya at tao lang tayo?
Oh yes, sa bible sinabi he created life..adam and eve..and from there nagstart ang humanity.. twice sya literally nag create ng tao..twice..can u count how many lives he took??
Baket nea pinatay at pinarusahan?? Kasi sinners? He made laws to follow. Then gave mankind the "gift" of free will na eventually leads to vulnerablity na mabreak ang laws nea, tapos ipupunish nea? Paparusahan? Papatayin? Is that some sick joke?
Kung wala ka pang pamilya baka di ka makarelate.pero for me, i have two daughters and a son..kung ikaw nasa situation ko. Kaya mo ba bigyan ng rules mga anak mo na alam mo eventually mbbreak nila, kaya mo pagdusahin ang mga sarili mong anak? Can u take their lives for that?? CAN YOU?
I CANT. AND I WONT DO THAT TO MY CHILDREN.
Pero pd nmn magsisi and magbago..may kapatawaran naman. Then why set the rules in the first place! Ano torturan lang??
As a parent i set rules kasi i cant control and cant know everything. Ibang kaso pag si god. Kasi nga alam nea lahat yan dapat. Kontrolado nea lahat yan dapat. So why?? Either he cant, which makes him not so pwerful, or he wont which means he doesnt care.
He is Absolute. His Rule is Absolute. You can not dictate Him what is right or wrong. Siya nga yung Divine Ruler eh.. How can you rule yourself if you are the Ruler? a dumb question diba?
Hindi Niya alam ang SIN. Ang SIN para sa Kanya ay yung hindi mo pagsunod sa utos Niya.
-Hindi pagsunod sa utos nea?? May story dun na ung tatay or nanay iooffer na marape ang anak nila sa mga lasing na tambay para protektahan ang mga angels na pinadala ni god. Kaya mo gawin sa mga anak mo yan?
Slavery..may set ng rules si god jan kung pano ka magttrato sa slaves mo..pd mo bugbugin as long as di sya mamatay sau within 3 days..pag binugbog mo at namatay on the 4th day..cool kay god un. Tamang utos??
Pagpatay ng mga bata sa numerous mass killings nea?? Bata, unborn children...tama din ba?
As for being a ruler, effective ba ang ruler di kayang pasunurin ang nasasakupan nea?
Tao lang tayo at Siya ay Diyos, so don't compare it. There is a huge difference. (Sana magets mo ko dito)
- yep..huge difference. One is real, the other..well..alam mo yun
PS: Clear na sana ung sa atheism ha. Non-belief sa god. So dun ka magfocus..iaddress mo ung premise ng atheism ko and not what may view on life's origin is.bClear nman sa title at sa inquiry ni TS kung ano usapan dito..
-yes, man made ang mga books containing scientific studies, explaining many phenomenon. Credibility and correctness?? U know nmn sguro ang process bago makapagpublish ng scientific studies ryt?? Test, test, test...independent testing and pag same result each time maeestablish un until it can be proven wrong or inaccurate.. and im hoping alam mo din nman sguro ang retractions?? Even scientist retract some of their works pag napatunayang mali.
So san nga magbabase?? Kung ano ang true and accurate at our present time. Can it change? NO..Is it absolute? NO
Kaya nga inexplain ko ito gamit ang law of gravity. Dahil alam naman natin na it has been proven na it exist and is 100% correct at hindi pwedeng ideny yan.
- gravity. Law sya. Cant deny yan and anyone can even demostrate it. How is gravity attributed to god nga?
Are you saying dito na non-beliver ka as a non-believer? at Hindi ka pumapanig sa Evolution theory or Big Bang theory?
tama ba ang term ko na you are "in-between"? (wag muna natin gamitin ang word na atheist)
-ulitin ko pinost ko ha:
Bat mo ba kasi pinupunta sa ako magbibigay ng proof eh i never made any claim nga..hahahaha.. im questioning and not believing the claim of god's existence. I didnt claim na walang god kasi i cant prove that, ur claiming that there is so the burden of proof falls sayo. Hope u get the difference of non believing and believing.
U dont get my point eh, i dont need proof to not believe...i will however need one to believe..BELIEVE IN GOD sinasabi ko and nothing else..ung pagiginy atheist ang sinasabi ko. Kung maaddress mo yang proof requirement ng EXISTENCE NG GOD then macoconvince mo ko.
As i said, atheism is the non-belief of god/deity. Okay?
Di porket atheist eh evolutionist. Pdng atheist and evolutionist, pdng atheist na secular din. Ang premise lang ng atheist is NON-BELIEF IN GOD. YUN LANG. he can adopt other principles that he wants pero ang ONLY premise is NON-BELIEF IN GOD.
okay?? So stop injecting na porket atheist ako eh matic evolutionist agad. Kinaklaro ko lang ang atheism ko..okay??
Now, outside my atheism..para sagutin ko lang.YES, i believe that big bang and evolution ang current best model for explaining the origin of life and the cosmos. Why "current"? Kase as ive said numerous times..wala pang absolute truth. No one has come up with that yet. NO ONE. not a medieval storyteller, not the combined minds of the smartest scientist etc..NO ONE.
address ko na yan in two parts ha..atheism is not equivalent to evolutionist, big bang, aliens, or any of that..okay??
Ang theory ba ni Richard Dawkins ang pinaniniwalaan mo? Or ginamit mo lang yung quote niya? Kasi parang pareho kayo ng thinking eh, or can I assume na sa kanya galing yung information na meron ka?
- duuuh..u brought him up db?? So malamang gagamitin ko din quote nea. You flaunted his credentials tapos now parang lukewarm ka na about him?
Yung studies nea about life's complexity in relation to evolution..yes..maganda ang explanation nya non at syempre may data sya for that. Like u said, he's a scientist so alam mo n nmm sguro ang proseso bago mag claim ang isang scientist..if not pakibasa ulit sa taas.
And i dont single out Dawkins. Di sya ang ultimate source ng truth sa mga aspeto ng science. Madame scientist and usually may kanya kanya silang specialization. If its a consensus in the scientfic community then its hard to deny that. May consensus ba sa religious or theist community?? Nope..may division pa nga db, from the largest religions to small sects di pare pareho ang paniniwala.
(Tingin ko ito palang masasagot ko sa mga questions mo)
In this statement. Partly siguro masasabi kong hindi niyo maiintindihan ni Dawkins yan.
Kasi Bible question yan that needs Bible explanation.
- di maiintindihan si Dawkins?? He wrote that sa book nea. And he was asked about it and confirmed it all the time na yun ang meant nea. Dinescribe nea si god as per the bible, kung ano ang portrayal kay god sa bible specifically the old testament god.
He was not asking, he was stating his opinion of god. So whatt do u mean na bible question yon? And wat explanation do u mean?
Yes it's true, but it only applies for Human Beings and its morale.
But it doesn't apply to God. God is Perfect. God can give you life or can take your life. He owns it, remember?
- again, he made a statement describing GOD. if u say its true alin part don?? Lahat?
Only applies to human beings and morale? Huh?? So u think lahat ng ginawa ni god na un is morally correct kasi dios sya at tao lang tayo?
Oh yes, sa bible sinabi he created life..adam and eve..and from there nagstart ang humanity.. twice sya literally nag create ng tao..twice..can u count how many lives he took??
Baket nea pinatay at pinarusahan?? Kasi sinners? He made laws to follow. Then gave mankind the "gift" of free will na eventually leads to vulnerablity na mabreak ang laws nea, tapos ipupunish nea? Paparusahan? Papatayin? Is that some sick joke?
Kung wala ka pang pamilya baka di ka makarelate.pero for me, i have two daughters and a son..kung ikaw nasa situation ko. Kaya mo ba bigyan ng rules mga anak mo na alam mo eventually mbbreak nila, kaya mo pagdusahin ang mga sarili mong anak? Can u take their lives for that?? CAN YOU?
I CANT. AND I WONT DO THAT TO MY CHILDREN.
Pero pd nmn magsisi and magbago..may kapatawaran naman. Then why set the rules in the first place! Ano torturan lang??
As a parent i set rules kasi i cant control and cant know everything. Ibang kaso pag si god. Kasi nga alam nea lahat yan dapat. Kontrolado nea lahat yan dapat. So why?? Either he cant, which makes him not so pwerful, or he wont which means he doesnt care.
He is Absolute. His Rule is Absolute. You can not dictate Him what is right or wrong. Siya nga yung Divine Ruler eh.. How can you rule yourself if you are the Ruler? a dumb question diba?
Hindi Niya alam ang SIN. Ang SIN para sa Kanya ay yung hindi mo pagsunod sa utos Niya.
-Hindi pagsunod sa utos nea?? May story dun na ung tatay or nanay iooffer na marape ang anak nila sa mga lasing na tambay para protektahan ang mga angels na pinadala ni god. Kaya mo gawin sa mga anak mo yan?
Slavery..may set ng rules si god jan kung pano ka magttrato sa slaves mo..pd mo bugbugin as long as di sya mamatay sau within 3 days..pag binugbog mo at namatay on the 4th day..cool kay god un. Tamang utos??
Pagpatay ng mga bata sa numerous mass killings nea?? Bata, unborn children...tama din ba?
As for being a ruler, effective ba ang ruler di kayang pasunurin ang nasasakupan nea?
Tao lang tayo at Siya ay Diyos, so don't compare it. There is a huge difference. (Sana magets mo ko dito)
- yep..huge difference. One is real, the other..well..alam mo yun
PS: Clear na sana ung sa atheism ha. Non-belief sa god. So dun ka magfocus..iaddress mo ung premise ng atheism ko and not what may view on life's origin is.bClear nman sa title at sa inquiry ni TS kung ano usapan dito..
jayendecastro
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Huh?? Porket may namention dun.na ilang mga bagay lugar.na nageexist na non tama na lahat?? Namaaaan...
Anw, bat kailangan iexclude yung ibang gospels? And why need dagdagan ng verses yung ibang books??
jayendecastro
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Un nga brad..bkit nga wala??? Asan nga ung proof?
Ung parang sinasabi lage dito.."credits sa owner/maker/author"
jayendecastro
Forum Veteran
Jan brad agree ako..ung pag gawa ng kabutihan sa kapwa..di nman requirement ang pagkakaroon ng faith sa isang god para maging mabuting tao.
Natural sten magkamali at wala nmng perpekto..ngayon ko lang naintindihan ang pinupunto mo.. naiintindihan na kita ngayon. isa ka palang malaking "?".. hahahaha walang patutunguhan ang makipag usap sayo. lahat nang tanong at sagot, tanong parin ang sasabihin mo.. walang katapusang "?"..
God is Perfect tol. Di nya kailangan ng anomang signature or marka sa mga nilikha niya. Isipin mo mabuti si Albert Einstein nga naniniwala sa diyos na ang utak nun sobrang techy at malawak ang pag iisip. Isipin mo din ito Logic ito. "Bakit may kasamaan at Bakit may kabutihan" yan logic sayu yan tol .
kaso impossible kasi superstitious belief lang sya.
In correct my friend.
Impossible talaga kasi God is Spirit.
1. At makikita mo lang Siya kapag patay ka na.
2. Kapag Christ 2nd Coming na, Basahin mo yung Revelation sa Bible. Hindi ko sinasabing maniwala ka agad pero basahin mo lang.
Alin man dyan sa dalawa ang mangyari ay parehong nakakakilabot kung wala kang pagpapakilala sa Diyos.
hindi na po magpapakita ang panginoon ngayon.. dahil wala naman talaga. kung dati nauto ang mga tao kay christo dahil mga slave sila at kailangan nila ng makakapitang savior para lumaban sa buhay, kaya nabuo ang paniniwalang un.. ngayon, malabo un. walang mailalabas na tao ang religious sector para magpangap dahil, pag nagwasiwas sya ng kamay para mag magic susuriin na ng maigi ng scientists un.
wow very simple logic?.. is your answer logical? nag iisip kaba?.. naniniwala akung may utak ang tayo kasi proven at napatunayan. ang gumawa ng mga bagay na binangit mo, ay di pa tukoy. pero ikaw kung talagang nag iisip ka logicaly, hindi mo agad sasabihin na there is someone that created everything, until proven. your illogical bro.
wow ang galing.. alam na alam mo talaga aa.. ung scientist as of right now na binuhos na lahat ng time into research di alam, ikaw alam mo. galing mo.
Half correct my friend.
1. True, ginamit or ginagamit pa rin ngayon ang Bible para kontrolin ang tao for their own political agenda. Kahit nung panahon ni Jesus ginamit na ng pharisees and sadducees ang Book of Old testament to satisfy their greed.
2. Meron tayong Book of Bible. at History book ang Bible.
40 historians ang nag-check ng authenticity nito bago nila ginawa.
*Note : Hindi sila ang nagsulat, binase nila sa mga collective scriptures chineck lang nila yung authenticity.
Archaeology confirms the Bible’s historical accuracy.
Archaeologists have consistently discovered the names of government officials, kings, cities, and festivals mentioned in the Bible -- sometimes when historians didn't think such people or places existed. For example, the Gospel of John tells of Jesus healing a cripple next to the Pool of Bethesda. The text even describes the five porticoes (walkways) leading to the pool. Scholars didn't think the pool existed, until archaeologists found it forty feet below ground, complete with the five porticoes.Yan ang example. Basahin mo muna yung History.
The Bible has a tremendous amount of historical detail, so not everything mentioned in it has yet been found through archaeology. However, not one archaeological find has conflicted with what the Bible records.
hahaha.. party party..Eternal life daw dun na happy happy...
ung utak mo lang po ang nagdidikta jan.
yan ung problem sa mga believers.. you are being contented. naniniwala kana agad kahit walang proof.. ung sinsabi mong sumabog, is a bigbang theory, kaya theory lang e, kasi di pa proven.
Incorrect again
Alam mo bang sa Christianity nagsimula ang Science?
Historically, Christianity has often been a patron of sciences. It has been prolific in the foundation of schools, universities and hospitals, and many clergy have been active in the sciences. You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. such as You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. credit medieval Catholic mathematicians and philosophers such as You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. and You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. as the founders of modern science.You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. Duhem concluded that "the mechanics and physics of which modern times are justifiably proud to proceed, by an uninterrupted series of scarcely perceptible improvements, from doctrines professed in the heart of the medieval schools"
Sa science din ay may Law of Gravity at 100% proven. Alam mo ba na Christian si Isaac Newton na nagsabing may gravity?
Mukhang di mo alam pinagsasabi mo hahaha. Hindi porket ignorante ka at hindi mo lang alam. Sasabihin mo agad hindi totoo? explain mo nga yan.
no. ofcourse may gumawa nun. let me rephrase ur senario..
may tao, sinaksak ng kutsilyo, namatay..
ngayon sasabihin mo na agad na si juan dela cruz ang sumaksak?.. oh common. prove ang kailangan.
jayendecastro
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Mag
Mag quote ka nalang din ibang context pa.. yes i love asking questions, kasi i wanna know things. Bat ko ba kinukwestyon ang sgot ng iba? Dahil di ako satisfiied sa sagot. Yun maganda sa logic ng tao...ask ask ask. Kung titigil tayo sa pgiging curious di na tayo magmomove forward. Sgura sau okay na basta may maisagot lang sayo...hahahaha.... And i agree sa ibang aspects if i believe it to be true as well... Kay Initializing nga may inagree ako sa kanya eh tinawag pa kong b@bo nean before.
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