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Heding said:
eeh kayong mga catholico / krystiano
Believe kaagad kayo kung ipananganak ang tao nawala walang Ama
na siya Dios! na kaagad!

ohh kahit nga si Moses ginawang God!?

Exodus 7:1
And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
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Ano problema nyo sir kay moises malinaw naman sir diba?

Ginawa syang dios kay paraon.pero si moises domo-Dios din sa sa gumawa sa kanya... Ang Dios Ama.hindi ba tunay na Dios si moises?gumagawa ba ng diosdiosan ang Dios.tutol ka ba kung gumawa ang Dios ng dios bukod sa kanya kung yong gagawing nyang dios eh do-Dios din naman sa kanya?

Eh ilan na Dios dahil pinagdidiinan nyo iisa lang ang Dios na alam naman ng lahat kung sino tinutukoy nyo.eh ano si moises diosdiosan?

Tungkol kay melchezedek,ang isusulat talaga sa kanya... Walang ama, walang ina...pinagsikapan ng mga apostol na alamin ang talaan nya pero walang nakatala na may ama sya at ina.
 
Kristyano ako lahat ng relihiyon nirerespeto ko pero para sakin ibat iba man ang ating relihiyon pero alam ko iisa lang ang ating diyos ... Iba man ang ating paniniwala pero pakilagay mo naman sa puso mo yung salitang RESPETO ... Wag mong punahin o kutyain ang paniniwala naming mga KATOLIKO ... Merry Christmass and Happy New Year Sayo !!!
 
pakihanap sa bible na si cristo ay nagpakilalang diyos..ang linaw sa bible,palabas sa tv maski super book si cristo nananalangin sa diyos..Ama ng lahat ama na iisang diyos na buhay si cristo ay anak ng tao kaya means hindi sya god ..pero si cristo ay natatangi sa lahat ng tao dahil sya lang ang tao na hindi nagkasala may poit yung nagpost sobrang linaw ng nakasulat sa bibliya na wag sasamba sa diyos diyosan..bibliya naman ang hawak ng mga nagpapakilkalang relihiyon pero bakit hindi nila mabasa yon?or sadyang iniiwasan lang nilang basahin??
 
CellTech32 said:
pakihanap sa bible na si cristo ay nagpakilalang diyos..ang linaw sa bible,palabas sa tv maski super book si cristo nananalangin sa diyos..Ama ng lahat ama na iisang diyos na buhay si cristo ay anak ng tao kaya means hindi sya god ..pero si cristo ay natatangi sa lahat ng tao dahil sya lang ang tao na hindi nagkasala may poit yung nagpost sobrang linaw ng nakasulat sa bibliya na wag sasamba sa diyos diyosan..bibliya naman ang hawak ng mga nagpapakilkalang relihiyon pero bakit hindi nila mabasa yon?or sadyang iniiwasan lang nilang basahin??
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Hindi na kailangan sir,baka kayo may alam kayo.... dina kailangan sapat na yong kanyang mga alagad na nakasama nya noong buhay pa sya.yong mga hudio nga sir eh alam nilang nagpahiwatig si kristo bilang Dios eh,

Jn. 10:33 Sinagot siya ng mga Judio, Hindi dahil sa mabuting gawa ay binabato ka namin, kundi sa pamumusong; at sapagka't ikaw, bagaman ikaw ay tao, ay nagpapakunwari kang Dios.

Bakit sasabihin ng mga hudio na nagpapakunwari lang si kristo kung wala syang ipinahiwatig sa kanila ng pagiging Dios nya.ayaw lang nilang maniwala dahil ang pagkakakilala nila kay kristo tao lang.

"bagaman ikaw ay tao,nagpapakunwari kang Dios"
 
Ranzsak said:
Wala nga sa bible yung trinity pero nasa christianity doctrine hindi nyu maintindihan yan kasi 7century pa kayu when jesus christ die ang holy spirit nya a nanatili

wala nga may na bangit na trinity sa bible dahil christian doctrine nayun noon(wala pang ISLAM)


6 Jesus answered him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one goes to the Father except through me. 7 If you have known me, you will also know my Father. From now on you know him through me and have seen him in me.”

8 Philip said to Jesus, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will satisfy us.”

9 Jesus replied, “I have been with all of you for a long time. Don’t you know me yet, Philip? The person who has seen me has seen the Father. So how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? What I’m telling you doesn’t come from me. The Father, who lives in me, does what he wants. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and that the Father is in me. Otherwise, believe me because of the things I do.

Now answer my 2 question how come you can have 4 waves?(10th question never answered) at bakit pumapatay ng mga tao yun ka relehiyon nyu(isis,moro etc... )?
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Bakit sa kapanahonan ni Jesus may Trinity naba at Atonement at Bible wala pa diba?

Bakit sino ba ang gumawa ng Trinity, Atonement, Diyos ba? Si Jesus ba? Hinde diba?



At Bakit 4 wives ka lang ng 4 wives ang sinasabi mo bakit gusto moba mag 4 wives? ay!! Buhay sabi ko mamaya na ang mga yan kung ma resolve nato!
 
Ranzsak said:
Wala nga sa bible yung trinity pero nasa christianity doctrine hindi nyu maintindihan yan kasi 7century pa kayu when jesus christ die ang holy spirit nya a nanatili

wala nga may na bangit na trinity sa bible dahil christian doctrine nayun noon(wala pang ISLAM)


6 Jesus answered him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one goes to the Father except through me. 7 If you have known me, you will also know my Father. From now on you know him through me and have seen him in me.”

8 Philip said to Jesus, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will satisfy us.”

9 Jesus replied, “I have been with all of you for a long time. Don’t you know me yet, Philip? The person who has seen me has seen the Father. So how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? What I’m telling you doesn’t come from me. The Father, who lives in me, does what he wants. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and that the Father is in me. Otherwise, believe me because of the things I do.

Now answer my 2 question how come you can have 4 waves?(10th question never answered) at bakit pumapatay ng mga tao yun ka relehiyon nyu(isis,moro etc... )?
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HINDI MO PA ITO NASAGOT! SAGOT
SAGUTIN MO MUNA ANG TANONG! KO! MAYAYA NA ANG 4 WIVES NAYAN
PERO ITO IS ALL ABOUT YOUR BELIEF(WHICH IS WRONG NAMAN) AND BIBLE

:):) HINDI KA TALAGA NAKAKAITINDI haha!!

Sagutin mo muna ito TOl!

Bakit nagsabi ba si Jesus na gawin nyo ang Trinity eh wala naman!? HAHA eeh kahit sa bible wala kang makikita na trinity meron ba? sagot!

(god contain 3 fathe son holyspirit combine them God) Haha nag sabi ba ang Dyos o Jesus God contain 3 Hahaa? Hahaa Baka Sabibi molang yan nawala namang katotohanan! no wonder BIBLE IS NOT WORD OF GOD ang Daming Interpolation at Contradiction

GOD is one Bakit naging 3? Hahha tignan mo ang Verse sa bible(sa baba) bakit naging 3 SABI ONE GOD lang Haha

At Hoy Intindihan mo talaga Verse nayan! kung hindi mo maintindihan wag kana mag reply
Easy lang! Intindihin mahirap ba? My GOD!!

Timothy 2:5:
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

[29]And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one(walang Anak na nabanggit) Lord:

Wagka mag rereply kung wala kang magandang Sagot!

(Sorry But Bulag ka talaga sa katotohana (Reality))
 
Ranzsak said:
Wala nga sa bible yung trinity pero nasa christianity doctrine hindi nyu maintindihan yan kasi 7century pa kayu when jesus christ die ang holy spirit nya a nanatili

wala nga may na bangit na trinity sa bible dahil christian doctrine nayun noon(wala pang ISLAM)


6 Jesus answered him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one goes to the Father except through me. 7 If you have known me, you will also know my Father. From now on you know him through me and have seen him in me.”

8 Philip said to Jesus, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will satisfy us.”

9 Jesus replied, “I have been with all of you for a long time. Don’t you know me yet, Philip? The person who has seen me has seen the Father. So how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? What I’m telling you doesn’t come from me. The Father, who lives in me, does what he wants. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and that the Father is in me. Otherwise, believe me because of the things I do.

Now answer my 2 question how come you can have 4 waves?(10th question never answered) at bakit pumapatay ng mga tao yun ka relehiyon nyu(isis,moro etc... )?
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10 Problems with the Penal Substitution View of the Atonement

If asked what Jesus came to do and how he did it, most contemporary Western Christians would automatically say something like, “Jesus took the punishment from God that I deserved.” This is what’s usually called the “Penal Substitution” view of the atonement, for it emphasizes that Jesus was punished by God in our place. His sacrifice appeased the Father’s wrath towards us and thus allows us to be saved.

This view has been the dominant view in western Christianity since the Reformation period, and it captures a profoundly important biblical truth. Jesus did certainly die as our substitute. And the cross certainly E×ρréššes God’s judgment on sin. But I have a number of unsettling questions about the idea that God had to vent his wrath on Jesus in order to forgive us. Here’s a few of them:

  1. Does God really need to appease his wrath with a blood sacrifice in order to forgive us? If so, does this mean that the law of “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth” is the ultimate description of God’s character? And if this is true, what are we to make of Jesus’ teaching that this law is surpassed by the law of love? Not only this, but what are we to make of all the instances in the Bible where God forgives people without demanding a sacrifice (e.g. the prodigal son)?
2.If God’s holiness requires that a sacrifice be made before he can fellowship with sinners, how did Jesus manage to hang out with sinners without a sacrifice, since he is as fully divine and as holy as God the Father?

3.If Jesus’ death allows God the Father to accept us, wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that Jesus reconciles God to us than it is to say Jesus reconciles us to God? Yet the New Testament claims the latter and never the former (e.g. You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.). In fact, if God loves sinners and yet can’t accept sinners without a sacrifice, wouldn’t it be even more accurate to say that God reconciles God to himself than to say he reconciles us to God? But this is clearly an odd and unbiblical way of speaking.

4.How are we to understand one member of the Trinity (the Father) being wrathful towards another member of the Trinity (the Son), when they are, along with the Holy Spirit, one and the same God? Can God be truly angry with God? Can God actually punish God?

5.If God the father needs someone to “pay the price” for sin, does the Father ever really forgive anyone? Think about it. If you owe me a hundred dollars and I hold you to it unless someone pays me the owed sum, did I really forgive your debt? It seems not, especially since the very concept of forgiveness is about releasing a debt — not collecting it from someone else.

6.Are sin and guilt the sorts of things that can be literally transferred from one party to another? Related to this, how are we to conceive of the Father being angry towards Jesus and justly punishing him when he of course knew Jesus never did anything wrong?

7.If the just punishment for sin is eternal hell (as most Christians have traditionally believed), how does Jesus’ several hours of suffering and his short time in the grave pay for it?
8.If the main thing Jesus came to do was to appease the Father’s wrath by being slain by him for our sin, couldn’t this have been accomplished just as easily when (say) Jesus was a one-year-old boy as when he was a thirty-three year old man? Were Jesus’ life, teachings, healing and deliverance ministry merely a prelude to the one really important thing he did – namely, die? It doesn’t seem to me that the Gospels divide up and prioritize the various aspects of Jesus’ life in this way. (I maintain that everything Jesus did was about one thing – overcoming evil with love. Hence, every aspect of Jesus was centered on atonement — that is, reconciling us to God and freeing us from the devil’s oppression.)

9.To raise a more controversial question, if it’s true that God’s wrath must be appeased by sacrificing his own Son, then don’t we have to conclude that pagans who have throughout history sacrificed their children to appease the gods’ wrath had the right intuition, even if they E×ρréššed it in the wrong way?

10.What is the intrinsic connection between what Jesus did on the cross and how we actually live? The Penal Substitution view makes it seem like the real issue in need of resolution is a legal matter in the heavenly realms between God’s holy wrath and our sin. Christ’s death changes how God sees us, but this theory says nothing about how Christ’s death changes us. This is particularly concerning to me because every study done on the subject has demonstrated that for the majority of Americans who believe in Jesus, their belief makes little or no impact on their life. I wonder if the dominance of this legal-transaction view of the atonement might be partly responsible for this tragic state of affairs.

To me, these are all serious problems with the Penal Substitution view of the atonement. I do not deny that Jesus died as our substitute or even that it was God’s will to “crush and bruise” him (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.). But we don’t need to imagine that the Father vented his wrath against sin on Jesus to make sense of these facts. One can (and I think should) rather see this as the Father offering up his Son to the principalities and powers to be bruised and crushed in our place, for this unsurpassable E×ρréššion of self-sacrificial love is what was needed to destroy the devil and his works and to thus set humans free, reconciling them to the Father.
 
Heding said:
10 Problems with the Penal Substitution View of the Atonement

If asked what Jesus came to do and how he did it, most contemporary Western Christians would automatically say something like, “Jesus took the punishment from God that I deserved.” This is what’s usually called the “Penal Substitution” view of the atonement, for it emphasizes that Jesus was punished by God in our place. His sacrifice appeased the Father’s wrath towards us and thus allows us to be saved.

This view has been the dominant view in western Christianity since the Reformation period, and it captures a profoundly important biblical truth. Jesus did certainly die as our substitute. And the cross certainly E×ρréššes God’s judgment on sin. But I have a number of unsettling questions about the idea that God had to vent his wrath on Jesus in order to forgive us. Here’s a few of them:

  1. Does God really need to appease his wrath with a blood sacrifice in order to forgive us? If so, does this mean that the law of “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth” is the ultimate description of God’s character? And if this is true, what are we to make of Jesus’ teaching that this law is surpassed by the law of love? Not only this, but what are we to make of all the instances in the Bible where God forgives people without demanding a sacrifice (e.g. the prodigal son)?
2.If God’s holiness requires that a sacrifice be made before he can fellowship with sinners, how did Jesus manage to hang out with sinners without a sacrifice, since he is as fully divine and as holy as God the Father?

3.If Jesus’ death allows God the Father to accept us, wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that Jesus reconciles God to us than it is to say Jesus reconciles us to God? Yet the New Testament claims the latter and never the former (e.g. You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.). In fact, if God loves sinners and yet can’t accept sinners without a sacrifice, wouldn’t it be even more accurate to say that God reconciles God to himself than to say he reconciles us to God? But this is clearly an odd and unbiblical way of speaking.

4.How are we to understand one member of the Trinity (the Father) being wrathful towards another member of the Trinity (the Son), when they are, along with the Holy Spirit, one and the same God? Can God be truly angry with God? Can God actually punish God?

5.If God the father needs someone to “pay the price” for sin, does the Father ever really forgive anyone? Think about it. If you owe me a hundred dollars and I hold you to it unless someone pays me the owed sum, did I really forgive your debt? It seems not, especially since the very concept of forgiveness is about releasing a debt — not collecting it from someone else.

6.Are sin and guilt the sorts of things that can be literally transferred from one party to another? Related to this, how are we to conceive of the Father being angry towards Jesus and justly punishing him when he of course knew Jesus never did anything wrong?

7.If the just punishment for sin is eternal hell (as most Christians have traditionally believed), how does Jesus’ several hours of suffering and his short time in the grave pay for it?
8.If the main thing Jesus came to do was to appease the Father’s wrath by being slain by him for our sin, couldn’t this have been accomplished just as easily when (say) Jesus was a one-year-old boy as when he was a thirty-three year old man? Were Jesus’ life, teachings, healing and deliverance ministry merely a prelude to the one really important thing he did – namely, die? It doesn’t seem to me that the Gospels divide up and prioritize the various aspects of Jesus’ life in this way. (I maintain that everything Jesus did was about one thing – overcoming evil with love. Hence, every aspect of Jesus was centered on atonement — that is, reconciling us to God and freeing us from the devil’s oppression.)

9.To raise a more controversial question, if it’s true that God’s wrath must be appeased by sacrificing his own Son, then don’t we have to conclude that pagans who have throughout history sacrificed their children to appease the gods’ wrath had the right intuition, even if they E×ρréššed it in the wrong way?

10.What is the intrinsic connection between what Jesus did on the cross and how we actually live? The Penal Substitution view makes it seem like the real issue in need of resolution is a legal matter in the heavenly realms between God’s holy wrath and our sin. Christ’s death changes how God sees us, but this theory says nothing about how Christ’s death changes us. This is particularly concerning to me because every study done on the subject has demonstrated that for the majority of Americans who believe in Jesus, their belief makes little or no impact on their life. I wonder if the dominance of this legal-transaction view of the atonement might be partly responsible for this tragic state of affairs.

To me, these are all serious problems with the Penal Substitution view of the atonement. I do not deny that Jesus died as our substitute or even that it was God’s will to “crush and bruise” him (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.). But we don’t need to imagine that the Father vented his wrath against sin on Jesus to make sense of these facts. One can (and I think should) rather see this as the Father offering up his Son to the principalities and powers to be bruised and crushed in our place, for this unsurpassable E×ρréššion of self-sacrificial love is what was needed to destroy the devil and his works and to thus set humans free, reconciling them to the Father.
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ang mali dito hindi kayo pinakekelamanan ng mga katoliko tapos kayo sige ang puna nyo sa relihiyon nila... nirerespeto ng katoliko kung anong paniniwala ng iba so dapat shut up nalang... siguro naman hindi tinuro sa kapilya nyo na pumuna ng ibang relehiyon.. kung tinuro yan sa loob ng sambahan nyo, asan ang mabuting salita ng dyos?
 
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