PHand one more thing sir PHC-Subaru, your question has no deal with the moral argument vs. Pascal argument. The Pascal wager argument is only limited to the existence of God, whether you want to believe it or not. Btw, it is not an acceptable argument tho it is valid. And if we are going to analyze your question again, there no part of it questioning the existence of God. So make sure to know the meaning of terminologies before using them. Sorry medyo naartehan lang ako sa part na to "Gusto ko sana i-broaden pa ung tanong pero saka nalang kapag may naobserve ako dito na kayang iexpand ung explanation when it comes to science" samantalang andaming butas ng tanong mo. So again if you want to get a good answer, learn first how to construct a good question.
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🕯️ Traditions Tanong na wala pang nakasagot tungkol sa bibliya
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Gentleman007
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Magsinungaling...
"at batay sa pag-asang buhay na walang hanggan na matagal nang ipinangako ng Diyos, na hindi makapagsisinungaling;"
-Tito 1:2
"at batay sa pag-asang buhay na walang hanggan na matagal nang ipinangako ng Diyos, na hindi makapagsisinungaling;"
-Tito 1:2
Gentleman007
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Naartehan talaga? Hahaha
bumanat kasi ng ganito "Gusto ko sana i-broaden pa ung tanong pero saka nalang kapag may naobserve ako dito na kayang iexpand ung explanation when it comes to science" okay na sana eh hahaha himay-himayin ko haha
1. yung tanong about God and Space
2. bigalang may moral vs pascal wager
3. sabay banat ng "I love moral argue(it should be argument not argue)" - "iexpand ung explanation when it comes to science" -- very contrandicting: moral argue tapos naghahanap ng scientific explanation haha
nag tunog arogante eh haha parang di pa sapat yung explanation mo, pangit naman tanong niya haha
1. yung tanong about God and Space
2. bigalang may moral vs pascal wager
3. sabay banat ng "I love moral argue(it should be argument not argue)" - "iexpand ung explanation when it comes to science" -- very contrandicting: moral argue tapos naghahanap ng scientific explanation haha
nag tunog arogante eh haha parang di pa sapat yung explanation mo, pangit naman tanong niya haha
Gentleman007
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[XX='- srj -, c: 744052, m: 1596530'][/XX] wala kaming santo bro hinahatulan ng bible ang nagsasagawa ng idolatriya sa mga bagay na may buhay o wala.
Gentleman007
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[XX='- srj -, c: 746237, m: 1596530'][/XX] ok lang yun bro. Respect lang natin. Sabi nga Laging maging mabait kahit na hindi tayo pinapakitunguhan ng di maganda. Yan ang isa sa mga turo ni kristo. At katangian ng isa tunay na kristiyano. Minsan nga lang hindi nasusunod kapag hindi nakapag pigil... hahaha.
[XX='Gentleman007, c: 746265, m: 631158'][/XX] at ako yun hahaha dala ata ng magkahalong kakulitan at mabungang laman ng utak ko 
I admit kapag minsan may nakikita kong bastos or arugante magsalita, yung feeling matalino pero wala namang punto, pinapamukha ko sa kanila kung saan sila mali pinaka naiinis ako dun sa isa kanina yung nagtatanong lang daw siya pero suggestive questioning ang banat. nasa Matthew chapter 4 yun eh. yung ginamit sa kanya yung scriptures mismo. kaya sabi ko wala siyang mauuto eh, di naman maayos argument niya, suggestive questioning tawag dun haha
I admit kapag minsan may nakikita kong bastos or arugante magsalita, yung feeling matalino pero wala namang punto, pinapamukha ko sa kanila kung saan sila mali pinaka naiinis ako dun sa isa kanina yung nagtatanong lang daw siya pero suggestive questioning ang banat. nasa Matthew chapter 4 yun eh. yung ginamit sa kanya yung scriptures mismo. kaya sabi ko wala siyang mauuto eh, di naman maayos argument niya, suggestive questioning tawag dun hahaGentleman007
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[XX='- srj -, c: 746284, m: 1596530'][/XX] hindi lang ikaw kahit ako din minsan nangyayari talaga yun kasi hindi tayo perfect hahaha
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baka makatulong pwede mo I-change sa tagalog or sarili mong language kung ano gusto mo
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baka makatulong pwede mo I-change sa tagalog or sarili mong language kung ano gusto mo
alright, so its pascal wager—ginagamit kpag sobrang malakas ang kalaban.. 2, days ago ko palang narinig ang pascal, pascal wager pala, at ang meaning nyahah
anw, about my question, meron na kong basehan bakit malawak ang uniberso, bro Eli answer it.
thanks sa pag korek sakin, at maswerte dahil ikaw naka puna saken haha, feelingero tlaga ako pero ung pinaglalaban solid
btw tammarami pa akong babasahing books pdf haha at kakaining bigas
anw, about my question, meron na kong basehan bakit malawak ang uniberso, bro Eli answer it.
thanks sa pag korek sakin, at maswerte dahil ikaw naka puna saken haha, feelingero tlaga ako pero ung pinaglalaban solid
btw tammarami pa akong babasahing books pdf haha at kakaining bigas
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Lessons Learned From the Universe
“I don’t pretend to understand the Universe—it’s a great deal bigger than I am.”—Thomas Carlyle, 1795-1881.
A HUNDRED years later, we have a better idea of how much bigger than we are the universe really is. Although scientists understand a lot more than they did, their situation is still, as one astronomer described it, like that of “the 18th-century botanists in the jungle finding all those new flowers.”
Despite our limited knowledge, certain conclusions can be drawn. And these conclusions have to do with the most important questions of all—how the universe works, and how it got here in the first place.
Order Rather Than Chaos
The study of the nature of the universe is called cosmology. That term is derived from two Greek words, kosmos and logos, indicating ‘the study of order or harmony.’ This is an apt name because order is precisely what astronomers encounter, whether they investigate the motion of celestial bodies or the matter of which the cosmos is composed.
Everything in our universe is in motion, and the movement is neither erratic nor unpredictable. Planets, stars, and galaxies move through space according to precise physical laws, laws that enable scientists to predict certain cosmic phenomena with unerring accuracy. And incredibly, the four fundamental forces that control the tiniest atom also govern the mightiest galaxies.
Order is also manifest in the very stuff of which the universe is built. “Matter is . . . organised on all scales from very small to very large,” explains The Cambridge Atlas of Astronomy. Far from being randomly distributed, matter is structured in an orderly way, whether it is the way electrons are linked to the protons and neutrons of the atomic nucleus or it is the mutual attraction that binds together an enormous cluster of galaxies.
Why does the universe reveal such order and harmony? Why are there transcendent laws ruling it? Since these laws must have existed before the origin of the universe—otherwise they could not control it—the logical question is: Where did they come from?
Famous scientist Isaac Newton concluded: “This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.”
Physicist Fred Hoyle said: “The origin of the Universe, like the solution of the Rubik cube, requires an intelligence.” The conclusion that there must be a supernatural Lawgiver is confirmed by our understanding of the origin of the universe.
The Ultimate Question: How Did the Universe Get Here?
Theoretical physicist Hawking explains: “The early universe holds the answer to the ultimate question about the origin of everything we see today, including life.” What exactly is the present scientific view of the early universe?
In the 1960’s, scientists detected faint background radiation coming from all parts of the sky. This radiation was said to be a reverberation coming from the primeval explosion that astronomers have christened the big bang. So enormous was the explosion, they say, that its echo could still be detected billions of years later.You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.
But if the universe suddenly exploded into existence between 15 billion and 20 billion years ago, as most physicists now believe (though that is hotly contested by others), a crucial question arises. Where did the original energy come from? In other words, what came before the big bang?
This is a question that many astronomers prefer to dodge. One of them confessed: “Science has proved that the world came into being as a result of forces that seem forever beyond the power of scientific description. This bothers science because it clashes with scientific religion—the religion of cause and effect, the belief that every effect has a cause. Now we find that the biggest effect of all, the birth of the universe, violates this article of faith.”
An Oxford University professor wrote more pointedly: “The first cause of the universe is left for the reader to insert. But our picture is incomplete without him.” The Bible, however, sets matters straight, identifying “the first cause” by saying: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”—You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now..
Man’s Insignificance
The simplest lesson the universe teaches us is the most obvious one, one that proud medieval man strove to ignore but one that Biblical poets humbly acknowledged millenniums ago—that of man’s insignificance.
Recent discoveries reinforce King David’s realistic appraisal: “When I see your heavens, the works of your fingers, the moon and the stars that you have prepared, what is mortal man that you keep him in mind, and the son of earthling man that you take care of him?”—You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now..
Astronomy has unveiled the immensity and the majesty of the cosmos—the stars of Gargantuan proportions, the distances beyond imagination, the aeons of time that defy comprehension, the cosmic furnaces that generate temperatures of millions of degrees, the eruptions of energy that dwarf a billion nuclear bombs. Yet, all of this is well described in the book of Job: “Look! These are the fringes of his ways, and what a whisper of a matter has been heard of him! But of his mighty thunder who can show an understanding?” (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.) The more we learn about the universe, the scantier our knowledge appears, and the smaller our own place in it becomes. For the objective observer, it is a sobering lesson.
Isaac Newton admitted: “I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, while the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.”
The humility that such comprehension should stir in us will help us to acknowledge that there is One who created the universe, One who established the laws that govern it, One who is far greater and wiser than we are. As the book of Job reminds us: “With him there are wisdom and mightiness; he has counsel and understanding.” (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.) And that is the most important lesson of all.
“I don’t pretend to understand the Universe—it’s a great deal bigger than I am.”—Thomas Carlyle, 1795-1881.
A HUNDRED years later, we have a better idea of how much bigger than we are the universe really is. Although scientists understand a lot more than they did, their situation is still, as one astronomer described it, like that of “the 18th-century botanists in the jungle finding all those new flowers.”
Despite our limited knowledge, certain conclusions can be drawn. And these conclusions have to do with the most important questions of all—how the universe works, and how it got here in the first place.
Order Rather Than Chaos
The study of the nature of the universe is called cosmology. That term is derived from two Greek words, kosmos and logos, indicating ‘the study of order or harmony.’ This is an apt name because order is precisely what astronomers encounter, whether they investigate the motion of celestial bodies or the matter of which the cosmos is composed.
Everything in our universe is in motion, and the movement is neither erratic nor unpredictable. Planets, stars, and galaxies move through space according to precise physical laws, laws that enable scientists to predict certain cosmic phenomena with unerring accuracy. And incredibly, the four fundamental forces that control the tiniest atom also govern the mightiest galaxies.
Order is also manifest in the very stuff of which the universe is built. “Matter is . . . organised on all scales from very small to very large,” explains The Cambridge Atlas of Astronomy. Far from being randomly distributed, matter is structured in an orderly way, whether it is the way electrons are linked to the protons and neutrons of the atomic nucleus or it is the mutual attraction that binds together an enormous cluster of galaxies.
Why does the universe reveal such order and harmony? Why are there transcendent laws ruling it? Since these laws must have existed before the origin of the universe—otherwise they could not control it—the logical question is: Where did they come from?
Famous scientist Isaac Newton concluded: “This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.”
Physicist Fred Hoyle said: “The origin of the Universe, like the solution of the Rubik cube, requires an intelligence.” The conclusion that there must be a supernatural Lawgiver is confirmed by our understanding of the origin of the universe.
The Ultimate Question: How Did the Universe Get Here?
Theoretical physicist Hawking explains: “The early universe holds the answer to the ultimate question about the origin of everything we see today, including life.” What exactly is the present scientific view of the early universe?
In the 1960’s, scientists detected faint background radiation coming from all parts of the sky. This radiation was said to be a reverberation coming from the primeval explosion that astronomers have christened the big bang. So enormous was the explosion, they say, that its echo could still be detected billions of years later.You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.
But if the universe suddenly exploded into existence between 15 billion and 20 billion years ago, as most physicists now believe (though that is hotly contested by others), a crucial question arises. Where did the original energy come from? In other words, what came before the big bang?
This is a question that many astronomers prefer to dodge. One of them confessed: “Science has proved that the world came into being as a result of forces that seem forever beyond the power of scientific description. This bothers science because it clashes with scientific religion—the religion of cause and effect, the belief that every effect has a cause. Now we find that the biggest effect of all, the birth of the universe, violates this article of faith.”
An Oxford University professor wrote more pointedly: “The first cause of the universe is left for the reader to insert. But our picture is incomplete without him.” The Bible, however, sets matters straight, identifying “the first cause” by saying: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”—You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now..
Man’s Insignificance
The simplest lesson the universe teaches us is the most obvious one, one that proud medieval man strove to ignore but one that Biblical poets humbly acknowledged millenniums ago—that of man’s insignificance.
Recent discoveries reinforce King David’s realistic appraisal: “When I see your heavens, the works of your fingers, the moon and the stars that you have prepared, what is mortal man that you keep him in mind, and the son of earthling man that you take care of him?”—You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now..
Astronomy has unveiled the immensity and the majesty of the cosmos—the stars of Gargantuan proportions, the distances beyond imagination, the aeons of time that defy comprehension, the cosmic furnaces that generate temperatures of millions of degrees, the eruptions of energy that dwarf a billion nuclear bombs. Yet, all of this is well described in the book of Job: “Look! These are the fringes of his ways, and what a whisper of a matter has been heard of him! But of his mighty thunder who can show an understanding?” (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.) The more we learn about the universe, the scantier our knowledge appears, and the smaller our own place in it becomes. For the objective observer, it is a sobering lesson.
Isaac Newton admitted: “I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, while the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.”
The humility that such comprehension should stir in us will help us to acknowledge that there is One who created the universe, One who established the laws that govern it, One who is far greater and wiser than we are. As the book of Job reminds us: “With him there are wisdom and mightiness; he has counsel and understanding.” (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.) And that is the most important lesson of all.
[XX='PHC-Subaru, c: 746483, m: 1553112'][/XX] ayan magtatagalog na din ako, mabait ka rin naman pala . and sorry haha. friendly payo, sa logical arguments maraming sali saliwang argument minsan magkakatunog na aakalain mo tama. like yung pascal wager, yung iba iniisip nila na tama yun pero actually mali. ganito yung pascal wager,
1. may God ka man or wala parehong okay
2. pag naniniwala ka na may God at gumawa ka ng tama pupunta ka ng langit
3. pag naniniwala ka na may God at di ka gumawa ng tama pupunta ka ng Hell
4. kapag di ka naniniwala na may God. gumawa ka man ng tama or mali, walang mangyayari sayo.
yan yung tinatawag na Pascal wager.
1. may God ka man or wala parehong okay
2. pag naniniwala ka na may God at gumawa ka ng tama pupunta ka ng langit
3. pag naniniwala ka na may God at di ka gumawa ng tama pupunta ka ng Hell
4. kapag di ka naniniwala na may God. gumawa ka man ng tama or mali, walang mangyayari sayo.
yan yung tinatawag na Pascal wager.
[XX='- srj -, c: 746550, m: 1596530'][/XX] actually sa research science hawak ko, hindi philo, pero yung mga batang nag dedefense sakin lagi kong pinapa ikot ikot sa logic para mag isip sila ng mabuti. mas nakakatulong kasi yun kesa kapag sinubo mo lang sa kanila yung knowledge.
So ibig sabihin kahit parihas ang salitang ginamit sa original manuscript puede palang magkaiba ang meaning nito pag ginamit na.doon kay mateo tinanggap niyo ang tamang salin na pagsamba pero sa kabila kahit na pariho sila mali para sa inyo ayon sa paliwanag ninyo.ibig sabihin kaugalian niyo na ito na kahit isa ang salitang ginamit sa orihinal na salin sa dalawa o ilan man yang pinaggamitan noong salita puede nitong ibahin BASTA PAPABOR DOON SA SINASABI NIYONG TAMA tulad nga noong salitang proskunio.sabagay kailangan kasi maging ganon para masuportahan yong iba,sa ganoong unawa kasi masusuportahan niyo na yong pagiging nilalang ni kristo at pagiging anghel niya.so ganito pala ang version niyo sa ganitong usapan.
Kahit pala doon sa mat.2:2 ang salitang ginamit din ay proskuneo.
Kahit pala doon sa mat.2:2 ang salitang ginamit din ay proskuneo.
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