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Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
walang nakalagay na israelites dun sa KJV ito nakalagay oh.

38 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, to give you the land of Canaan, and to be your God.

39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:

o? san na ung pinag sasabi mo ha?

46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

lahat naman sabi wag treat ng ruthlessly kung di ka t@nga san ung sinabi na ruthlessly? pag taga ibang country harsh na dapat ha?

at YES ung sagot na wag treat ruthlessly lahat, ikaw san nakalagay na treat rigorously ang ibang lahi? tsaka ung treatment sa bondservant ano ba dapat? ruthlessly or not ruthlessly? YES/NO?
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Wala kanang magagawa sa mga Athiest na Pinoy haha, Sunod sa uso lang yan, pero bininyagan yan sa simbahan gahaha
 
Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
walang nakalagay na israelites dun sa KJV ito nakalagay oh.

38 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, to give you the land of Canaan, and to be your God.

39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:

o? san na ung pinag sasabi mo ha?

46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

lahat naman sabi wag treat ng ruthlessly kung di ka t@nga san ung sinabi na ruthlessly? pag taga ibang country harsh na dapat ha?

at YES ung sagot na wag treat ruthlessly lahat, ikaw san nakalagay na treat rigorously ang ibang lahi? tsaka ung treatment sa bondservant ano ba dapat? ruthlessly or not ruthlessly? YES/NO?
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My god!! Ang **** mo... Langya di ako palamura or wat..pero sobra **** mo.. im not offended kung tawagin mo ko t@nga or **** paulit-ulit.. pero my god! Ang **** mo...


Yan pakibasa ung post mo from bible mo:
Leviticus 25 King James Version (KJV)
25 And the Lord spake unto Moses in mount Sinai, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the Lord.
Di ko alam bat napaka selective ng thinking mo. Tapos maka tawag ka sa iba ng b0b0 at walang alam sa biblia eh yan na nga db. And in thr first place alam nten kung para kanino ang particular na books ng bible.. this one is fot the people of israel!
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ulitin ko:
39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
40 But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile
41 And then shall he depart from thee, both he and his children with him, and shall return unto his own family, and unto the possession of his fathers shall he return.
42 For they are my servants, which I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: they shall not be sold as bondmen.
43 Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour; but shalt fear thy God.
44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
Sa tagalog:
39 At kung ang iyong kapatid na kasama mo ay maghirap at pabili siya sa iyo: ay huwag mo siyang papaglilingkuring parang alipin;
40 Ipalalagay mo siyang parang lingkod na upahan at parang nakikipamayan; hanggang sa taon ng jubileo ay maglilingkod siya sa iyo:
41 Kung magkagayo'y aalis siya sa iyo, siya at ang kaniyang mga anak na kasama niya, at babalik sa kaniyang sariling sangbahayan, at babalik sa pag-aari ng kaniyang mga magulang.
42 Sapagka't sila'y aking mga lingkod, na aking inilabas sa lupain ng Egipto; sila'y hindi maipagbibiling parang mga alipin.
43 Huwag kang papapanginoon sa kaniya na may kabagsikan; kundi ikaw ay matatakot sa iyong Dios.
44 At tungkol sa iyong mga aliping lalake at babae na magkakaroon ka; sa mga bansang nasa palibot ninyo, ay makabibili kayo sa kanila ng mga aliping lalake at babae.
45 Saka sa mga anak ng mga taga ibang lupa na nakikipamayan sa inyo, sa mga ito'y makabibili kayo, at sa kanilang mga sangbahayan na nasa inyo, na mga ipinanganak nila sa inyong lupain: at magiging inyong pag-aari.

Pag kapwa mo israelites pd mo gawing bondsmen/bondsmaids?? YES or NO?
sagutin mo.

Or ako na sasagot. Na pag kapatid or kababayan ng israelites di mo pdng gawing alipin(slave/bondservant)..pd lang tagapaglingkod(hired servant)

So clearly may pagkakaiba ang SLAVE sa SERVANT unlike sa ipinipilit mo.

SERVANTS ARE HIRED, SLAVES ARE OWNED AKA POSSESSION.

anjan lahat yan.

Yes ung treatment na "wag ruthless" eh clearly inispecify pa sa mga "hired servants" lang ang not sa mga slaves/bondmen...hmmm.. bat kaya need pa specify na ganon kung okay naman treatment ke slave or servant in the first place.

So itigil mo na kumbinsihin ang sarili mo na slaves at servants eh iisa. Bible mo nagsabi..fave mo pa na KJV.

Okay na..IKAW KUNG GUSTO MO NA ISA KANG ALIPIN..EH DI IKAW MAGING ALIPIN MAG ISA.
 
jayendecastro said:
My god!! Ang **** mo... Langya di ako palamura or wat..pero sobra **** mo.. im not offended kung tawagin mo ko t@nga or **** paulit-ulit.. pero my god! Ang **** mo...


Yan pakibasa ung post mo from bible mo:
Leviticus 25 King James Version (KJV)
25 And the Lord spake unto Moses in mount Sinai, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the Lord.
Di ko alam bat napaka selective ng thinking mo. Tapos maka tawag ka sa iba ng b0b0 at walang alam sa biblia eh yan na nga db. And in thr first place alam nten kung para kanino ang particular na books ng bible.. this one is fot the people of israel!
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ulitin ko:
39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
40 But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile
41 And then shall he depart from thee, both he and his children with him, and shall return unto his own family, and unto the possession of his fathers shall he return.
42 For they are my servants, which I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: they shall not be sold as bondmen.
43 Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour; but shalt fear thy God.
44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
Sa tagalog:
39 At kung ang iyong kapatid na kasama mo ay maghirap at pabili siya sa iyo: ay huwag mo siyang papaglilingkuring parang alipin;
40 Ipalalagay mo siyang parang lingkod na upahan at parang nakikipamayan; hanggang sa taon ng jubileo ay maglilingkod siya sa iyo:
41 Kung magkagayo'y aalis siya sa iyo, siya at ang kaniyang mga anak na kasama niya, at babalik sa kaniyang sariling sangbahayan, at babalik sa pag-aari ng kaniyang mga magulang.
42 Sapagka't sila'y aking mga lingkod, na aking inilabas sa lupain ng Egipto; sila'y hindi maipagbibiling parang mga alipin.
43 Huwag kang papapanginoon sa kaniya na may kabagsikan; kundi ikaw ay matatakot sa iyong Dios.
44 At tungkol sa iyong mga aliping lalake at babae na magkakaroon ka; sa mga bansang nasa palibot ninyo, ay makabibili kayo sa kanila ng mga aliping lalake at babae.
45 Saka sa mga anak ng mga taga ibang lupa na nakikipamayan sa inyo, sa mga ito'y makabibili kayo, at sa kanilang mga sangbahayan na nasa inyo, na mga ipinanganak nila sa inyong lupain: at magiging inyong pag-aari.

Pag kapwa mo israelites pd mo gawing bondsmen/bondsmaids?? YES or NO?
sagutin mo.

Or ako na sasagot. Na pag kapatid or kababayan ng israelites di mo pdng gawing alipin(slave/bondservant)..pd lang tagapaglingkod(hired servant)

So clearly may pagkakaiba ang SLAVE sa SERVANT unlike sa ipinipilit mo.

SERVANTS ARE HIRED, SLAVES ARE OWNED AKA POSSESSION.

anjan lahat yan.

Yes ung treatment na "wag ruthless" eh clearly inispecify pa sa mga "hired servants" lang ang not sa mga slaves/bondmen...hmmm.. bat kaya need pa specify na ganon kung okay naman treatment ke slave or servant in the first place.

So itigil mo na kumbinsihin ang sarili mo na slaves at servants eh iisa. Bible mo nagsabi..fave mo pa na KJV.

Okay na..IKAW KUNG GUSTO MO NA ISA KANG ALIPIN..EH DI IKAW MAGING ALIPIN MAG ISA.
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OO. mangmang basta't di marahas ang pakikitungo mo kahit sa lahat din. lol.

46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

33 And if a man purchase of the Levites, then the house that was sold, and the city of his possession, shall go out in the year of jubile: for the houses of the cities of the Levites are their possession among the children of Israel.

kung di ka na kakaintindi mag sabihin ng among. kasama which means na di child of israel yan ung man na tinutukoy dyan. ung binenta nasama sa mga NABENTA NA child of isreal.

napaka bob0 mo.... nag highlight na ako't lahat yan ah..di ko alam kung di ka lang nag babasa o ewan eh. ano ung sabi mo? possession? ung posession na pinag sasabi mo lifetime ba yan sa pag kakaintindi mo? yes/no?
 
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Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
OO. mangmang basta't di marahas ang pakikitungo mo kahit sa lahat din. lol.

46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

33 And if a man purchase of the Levites, then the house that was sold, and the city of his possession, shall go out in the year of jubile: for the houses of the cities of the Levites are their possession among the children of Israel.

kung di ka na kakaintindi mag sabihin ng among. kasama which means na di child of israel yan ung man na tinutukoy dyan. edi sana di ganun pag ka sulat dun. mangmang..

napaka bob0 mo.... nag highlight na ako't lahat yan ah..di ko alam kung di ka lang nag babasa o ewan eh. ano ung sabi mo? possession? ung posession na pinag sasabi mo lifetime ba yan sa pag kakaintindi mo? yes/no?
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Anong OO?? oo na sa israelites ang instructions na yan db??

Or OO na pd maging "BONDSMEN/SLAVE" ang kapwa israelites..kung dito ka umo-OO then ano ba ibig sabihin neto.

39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
40 But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile

NOT AS BONDSERVANT BUT HIRED SERVANT..

MAY DIFFERENCE O WALA?

tska di ung length ng service pinaguusapan dito...ibang case yan..pero just to answer, may contradiction din jan kasi nakalagay din na pd maging "forever" ang service.. PERO WAG KA DITO MAGFOCUS..
 
Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
pareho lang silang servant ung isa nga may sala at ung isa wala bob0 gagamit ka pa ng word na slave eh wala ka nga mababasa na slave sa kjv version pilit mo pa lol.

kung di ka t@nga may petty crime na tinatawag sa bible at ung petty crime pwede ka maging bondservant dahil dun. kagaya ng pagnanakaw.

dahil ang ibang kasalan sa bible death penalty agad ung hatol kagaya ng pag patay at pag siping sa may asawa,etc.

at ung hired servant ayun ung mga mahihirap na need ng master na kaya silang pakainin,etc o binenta ng magulang.

ano?
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39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
40 BUT as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile.

Alam mo ba meaning ng BUT??? Contrasting ideas. Magkaiba. Okay??

NOT AS BONDSERVANT "BUT" AS HIRED SERVANT.

Sure sge sa KJV mo hindi translated as SLAVE ang doulos kundi "bondservant"... So why icontrast pa ang hired servant sa bondservant if sabi mo na iisa yon?

Sabi mo iisa ang BONDSERVANT at SERVANT. Db??

Wag mo ipasok kung may crime or wala. Point is pag israelites kahit sa foreigners ibentA sarili nila eh "hired servant" lang..pero pag foreigners ang bibilhin nila eh "bondservants" na..

So discriminating pagdating sa race??

Sabi mo same lang sila ang SLAVE at SERVANTS...

now sasabihin mo iba kasi may crime or wat...sus...

Una sabi mo same lang ang mga un..iniba lang ang term..tssss....

BUT NGA!! "BUT"!!!

DAME MO PALUSOT.
 
Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
bob0 mo ano... ung teka ano ba point mo dun sa BUT na yan? tingin mo child of israel lang ung BROTHER na tinutukoy dyan? YES/NO?
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Papalusot ka na nmn at sesegway...

Mr. Aliping Call Center Agent...im asking u kung alam mo gamitin ang word na BUT.

IF ALAM MO TELL EXPLAIN MO PANO GAMITIN ANG BUT ANG WAT CONTEXT SYA GINAMIT SA STATEMENT NA TO:

39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
40 BUT as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile.


...and pls wag mo na segway kung sino, knino at anong brother ang tinutukoy...di ba nga naestablish na naten na sa israelites ung msg... Alam ko papasukan mo n nmn ng ano ano yan. So before u start sagutin mo muna ung "but" question ko.
 
Valiantarn said:
Yung bond servant or other term slave is forever na siyang slave or pagmamayari ng kanyang amo. Ang servant is like a contractual na after na nabayaran ng servant ang kanyang utang free na siya.
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45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever:

ang tinutukoy dyan ung mga batang lansangan di mga matatanda. kase ang bondmen walang bayad so bondmen na sila for ever kase nga bata eh. pero dahil di mo kadugo ganun ung description ng bible para malinaw.
 
Ang atheism ba naniniwala na merong God? Ma confuse kasi ako kasi if hindi sila naniniwala na hindi naga exist si God, bakit kelangan pa nila ipaglaban yun. I mean if walang God sakanila then wala dapat silang i debate diba, why would they debate for something na hindi naman naga exist sakanila. If there is no God for them in the first place then they dont need to debate for it right?
 
Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever:

ang tinutukoy dyan ung mga batang lanssangan di adul t. kase ang bondmen walang bayad so bondmen na sila for ever kase nga bata eh. pero dahil di mo kadugo ganun ung description ng bible para malinaw.
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Yup tama ka kaya in short bondmen is slave = forever and servant = temporary only

Uso ata ang slavery system sakanila dati ngayun kunting bansa nalang ang naga follow ng ganyan na systema kasi yung iba pinaglaban at winala yung slavery system
 
Valiantarn said:
Yup tama ka kaya in short bondmen is slave = forever and servant = temporary only

Uso ata ang slavery system sakanila dati ngayun kunting bansa nalang ang naga follow ng ganyan na systema kasi yung iba pinaglaban at winala yung slavery system
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bondmen for ever sa bata. wala sinabi na ganun din sa matatanda. san mo nabasa na ganun din sa mga criminal?
 
Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
bondmen for ever sa bata. wala sinabi na ganun din sa matatanda. san mo nabasa na ganun din sa mga criminal?
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Wala naman akong sinabi na criminal, bata or matanda same lang yan sila na forever, for example yung batang bond servant tumanda na, so yung bata na naging matandan is bondservant parin kasi ganun na sila pagkabata palang
 
Valiantarn said:
Wala naman akong sinabi na criminal, bata or matanda same lang yan sila na forever, for example yung batang bond servant tumanda na, so yung bata na naging matandan is bondservant parin kasi ganun na sila pagkabata palang
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oo nga dahil bata eh parang adopted na rin sila. kaya nga may pahabol na.

but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

dapat pantay lang ng trato mo sa anak mo at dun sa bondmen na bata.
 
Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
oo nga dahil bata eh parang adopted na rin sila. kaya nga may pahabol na.

but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

parang dapat pantay lang ng trato mo sa anak mo.
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Yup agree ako diyaan, pero may times din diba na kelangan mo maging resonably strict kahit sa mga servant mo kasi baka mali na sila or baka pag sobra mong bait hindi muna sila ma control and abusuhin ka nila,
 
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