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There is no academic consensus about the relationship between the Hebrews and the Pharaonic Egyptians. The best evidence we have, though, is pretty strong that the master/slave relationship depicted in Exodus is inaccurate.

This is to say that the "Maximalist" interpretation of Exodus is very unlikely; the authors of the Torah were at least 500 years removed from the events they were describing and some elements seem patently invented. However, this is not sufficient to automatically assume a "Minimalist" interpretation that posits all the described events as completely fictitious.

Before we even consider the testimony of the Torah, the plain facts of archaeology and geography support the idea that the two cultures had mutual influence, but were not likely to have been in a constant state of war toward another. Most likely, what actually happened was that there was some kind of arrangement or polity between the two cultures during the Bronze Age. At that point, Egyptian society was relatively stationary while the Hebrews were one of many mobile, quasi-nomadic tribes. Before we even consider the testimony of the Torah, the plain facts of archaeology and geography support the idea that the two cultures had mutual influence, but were not likely to have been in a constant state of war toward another.

So, it's reasonable to assume that Exodus describes a sudden interruption in relations between Egyptian and Hebrew society. That is, there was a long period of exchange or cooperation between them, then things went sour and a new status quo arose out of the ashes. This process was considered vital to Jewish identity during the period when oral traditions were being collected into scripture (mostly coincident with the Babylonian Captivity half a millennium later) so historical details were smudged around and poetic licenses were taken.

To get into some specifics of your question, there's practically zero chance that the Hebrews were slaves who built the pyramids. There is something to be said about the role that religious views may have played, but it's not likely that the Hebrews were just persecuted for having different mythologies than the Egyptians. In general, the Egyptians were strongly polytheistic while the Hebrews were polytheists who ρáíd special attention to a single national god, Yahweh. Over the centuries, as Hebrew identity formed a proto-nationality, this evolved into monotheism. This process seems to have had a synergistic relationship with Egyptian religion. In particular, the Pharaoh Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV) is often credited with the "invention" of monotheism. This is really a glossing over of a more complicated process, but basically Akhenaten created a religion where the Sun (Aten) was the supreme god and the only one worth worshiping. There is very strong evidence that there was a relationship between Atenism and early Judaism, but the nature of this relationship is not understood very well at all. Furthermore, Atenism was rebuked by Akhenaten's successors and it lasted as a state religion for only about two decades. It's important to note that this happened very early in the history of the Hebrew people, in the 14th Century BCE (a century before the events of Exodus are supposed to have happened).

Given that the Egyptians had a reliable, fixed social structure that maintained records, one would hope to find validation in their accounts for Hebrew existence. The problem here is that, while it's possible we'll find something here or there, it's not particularly likely. This is because the Egyptians were major league players during the time in question while the Hebrews were one of many small, inconsequential players. The Egyptians had no way of knowing that the Hebrews, among all the others neighbors of theirs, would go on to create a religion that would be a definitive feature of Western Civilization millennia later. So, to posit that a lack of Egyptian records of the Hebrews is to commit the historian's fallacy.

For example, think of it like the meeting between a very young Bill Clinton and President Kennedy. Bill Clinton was just an ambitious student at the time, so the event was highly remarkable and memorable for him. Kennedy, at that point in his life, was meeting hundreds, maybe thousands, of kids just like Bill Clinton. Once Clinton became president, a photo of the two of them shaking hands circulated.

Now, imagine that we didn't have this photo and that Kennedy hadn't been assassinated. During his campaign, Clinton says a special moment in his life was when he met Kennedy. Kennedy has no recollection of that event whatsoever. Some spin doctors would hype that up to mean that Clinton was lying. People with fallible memories (read: everyone) would be able to reason, well, why SHOULD Kennedy remember an inconsequential event like that?


So, with Hebrew-Egyptian Relations, we're stuck with many theories that range from plausible to insane, from minimalist to maximalist with regard to Exodus. And we're probably going to be stuck here forever, but that's not stopping anyone from throwing out new interpretations of the evidence. That's what makes it fun.



ayan oh so basically nag meet ang mga Hebrew at mga Egyptian when ung time reign of the Egyptians is on it's last days.
Quora ang source mo. Pwedeng magpost ng kahit ano jan pero kung walang external sources na nakalagay walang credibility ung post. O eto mismong ISRAELI website na ang source. Fiction lang ang exodus.

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Pasali, hahaha
The goal here is we want to be a better version of our selves. I've learned that from the Bible and from my church when I was a Christian. We want to be in heaven because they said it's the perfect place, a paradise, a reward to a good person.

Now I'm an atheist (thanks to philosophy), I still continue to be a better person not because I want to go to heaven but because it's the right thing to do in order to have a better world.

I'm not here to bash or to discourage the religion, but I think philosophy is better when you want have enlightenment and a wider perspective of life.
 
Quora ang source mo. Pwedeng magpost ng kahit ano jan pero kung walang external sources na nakalagay walang credibility ung post. O eto mismong ISRAELI website na ang source. Fiction lang ang exodus.

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lol quora yan edi sana na downvote un ng sobra eh di naman at taga harvard ung nag comment na may phd Theology religion. lol.
 
Kaung mga Christian fundamentalists lang ang nagcclaim na totoo ang exodus. Kahit nga mga Hudyo sa Israel hindi naniniwala dun.

ang importante dun di BUONG MUNDO ang naniniwala na di totoo ang religion. yun ung point dun as long as it is not a fact na ang exodus ay di totoo at as long na may mga SCHOLARS na nag sasabi na may historical basis ang exodus wala parin ako aaniban yun lang.
 
lol quora yan edi sana na downvote un ng sobra eh di naman at taga harvard ung nag comment na may phd Theology religion. lol.
Hindi indicator ng credibility ng isang post ang upvotes at flair ng isang poster. Credible ang isang claim o post kung backed up ng evidence at maraming citations. Iresearch mo ang buong internet kung makakakita ka ng evidence ng Jewish exile in Egyptt at exodus. WALA! Dahil historical fiction lang ang book of exodus ng bibliya!
 
ang importante dun di BUONG MUNDO ang naniniwala na di totoo ang religion. yun ung point dun as long as it is not a fact na ang exodus ay di totoo at as long na may mga SCHOLARS na nag sasabi na may historical basis ang exodus wala parin ako aaniban yun lang.
May historical basis nmn talaga ang exodus. Walang debate dun. Parang si Jesus, historical figure xa. Totoong may Jesus na nagexist sa 1st century. Ang hindi totoo ay may superpowers ang Jesus na un na sinasabi ng bibliya. Ganun din ang exodus. Walang supernatural na pangyayari sa exodus.
 
Hindi indicator ng credibility ng isang post ang upvotes at flair ng isang poster. Credible ang isang claim o post kung backed up ng evidence at maraming citations. Iresearch mo ang buong internet kung makakakita ka ng evidence ng Jewish exile in Egyptt at exodus. WALA! Dahil historical fiction lang ang book of exodus ng bibliya!

kaya nga tignan mo ung profession nung nag post studied religion on harvard chicago so? ikaw taga harvard ka? at may phd?
 
May historical basis nmn talaga ang exodus. Walang debate dun. Parang si Jesus, historical figure xa. Totoong may Jesus na nagexist sa 1st century. Ang hindi totoo ay may superpowers ang Jesus na un na sinasabi ng bibliya. Ganun din ang exodus. Walang supernatural na pangyayari sa exodus.

wala akong pake sa super powers ang gusto ko lang ung respect sa beliefs kung may power man si jesus o wala dahil nakalagay sa bible na ginawa nyan wine ung tubig maniniwala ako dahil nakalagay eh out of respect as long as wala pang nakakadiscover kung paano nag simula ang mundo 50/50 parin akong maniniwala sa concepts of gods.
 
athiest -no
agnotic -yes/no
cult like churches -no
bible reader and follower -yes
the sheeple -yes/no
Buddhist monk (not fake) -yes
Buddhist halfass - no/yes

ang akin lang as long as their is conflict of interest at merong nag dedenounce ng freedom of religion di sila nalalayo sa mga culto tapos pareho lang sila.

pwede ka naman maging agnostic bat mo pang gustong maging athiest? malamang gusto mo lang ng conflict.

katulad nung kobe cannibal

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athiest na cannibal free at di na kulong great.
The way ur answering eh its pretty clear na ur understanding is this:

Belief in god (partial/impartial) equates to being good.
Rejection of that belief is to being bad.

That's pretty vague.. and im guessing sa mga YES or NO answers mo eh to the question of
"Can a ________ be good?"
And to say those answers are pretty bold. Statistics will say otherwise so thats pretty much just ur own personal and biased opinion. (Unless u have the basis for those statements)

About jan kay cannibal na yan.. ive read about that dati...years ago na.. and as far as i know, the guy was or still is insane. He's also a pervert. Dont just put a word in ur statement and try to deliver it as a fact. Not sure wat his beliefs was or if he has one..but im pretty sure may tililing yan kaya nea nagawa yun..

Like i said..EVERYONE is capable of bad and good acts... EVRYONE REGARDLESS OF WAT THEY BELIEVE OR DONT BELIEVE IN
 
kaya nga tignan mo ung profession nung nag post studied religion on harvard chicago so? ikaw taga harvard ka? at may phd?
Pwede kong ilagay sa flair ko na ako ang pinakamatalinong tao sa buong universe pero kung wala akong credible source at evidence, wala ring credibility ang pinagsasabi ko.
 
wala akong pake sa super powers ang gusto ko lang ung respect sa beliefs kung may power man si jesus o wala dahil nakalagay sa bible na ginawa nyan wine ung tubig maniniwala ako dahil nakalagay eh out of respect as long as wala pang nakakadiscover kung paano nag simula ang mundo 50/50 parin akong maniniwala sa concepts of gods.
Walang respect pagdating sa science. Ang science ay genuine search for truth. Kung hindi totoo ang isang bagay, sasabihin nyang hindi un totoo.

Hindi totoo ang exodus. Hindi totoo ang genesis. Fiction sila ayon sa science.
 
Generally atheism is a denial of God or of the gods, and if religion is defined in terms of belief in spiritual beings, then atheism is the rejection of all religious belief.
 
Atheist - a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Atheism - is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
 
Atheism encompasses all forms of unbelief from passive skepticism (implicit atheism) to outright rejection of theism (explicit atheism) and hostility against religion/theism (anti-theism). It is both a lack of belief in the existence of god (negative/weak atheism) and a belief in the non-existence of god (positive/strong atheism).

Atheism is the highest evolved form of theological orientation. It's sitting pretty at the top of belief hierarchy.

1. ATHEISM - corresponds to the modern, scientific understanding of the universe; the theological position of most scientists and philosophers in the 21st century

2. PANTHEISM - attributes consciousness to the universe but rejects the idea of a creator god and religious dogma; Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism fall under this category

3. DEISM - watered-down, rational and non-dogmatic form and outgrowth of monotheism; popular during the Enlightenment age

4. MONOTHEISM - the most prevalent and most dogmatic type of religious belief; popularized by Abrahamic religions

5. HENOTHEISM - rejection of all gods but one; precursor to monotheism

6. POLYTHEISM - belief in and worship of many different gods; predominant form of religious belief in classical antiquity

7. SHAMANISM - belief in spirits and practice of magic and occult; popular among tribal societies

8. ANIMISM - oldest form of religious belief practiced in pre-civilized societies
 
Pwede kong ilagay sa flair ko na ako ang pinakamatalinong tao sa buong universe pero kung wala akong credible source at evidence, wala ring credibility ang pinagsasabi ko.

mas maniniwala ako sa may phd at taga harvard na may 2 million+ view at maraming upvote kaysa sayo na si 1% 99% ano yan safegaurd? eh wala naman nakasulat na percentage dun sa wiki article na binigay mo halatang sa pwet mo lang ng gagaling ung mga sinasabi mo. parang sinabi mo na pogi ka pero di ako maniniwala dahil wala kang credibility wala ka ngang nobel prize na mapakita sa mga findings sa pinagsasabi mo at ung masama pa dun ung mga pinag sasabi mo minsan wala pang backings lol. si 1% 99% mong catchphrase sakit sa tyan ahaha si conspiracy theory ka talaga lakas mo! masasabi ko lang wag mo ibahin meaning ng athiest kahit si richard dawkins mong cannibal diyos sinabi nya na agnostic sya kaya wag mong labanan ung diyos mong si richard dawkins. ahaha

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mas maniniwala ako sa may phd at taga harvard na may 2 million+ view at maraming upvote kaysa sayo na si 1% 99% ano yan safegaurd? eh wala naman nakasulat na percentage dun sa wiki article na binigay mo halatang sa pwet mo lang ng gagaling ung mga sinasabi mo. parang sinabi mo na pogi ka pero di ako maniniwala dahil wala kang credibility wala ka ngang nobel prize na mapakita sa mga findings sa pinagsasabi mo at ung masama pa dun ung mga pinag sasabi mo minsan wala pang backings lol. si 1% 99% mong catchphrase sakit sa tyan ahaha si conspiracy theory ka talaga lakas mo! masasabi ko lang wag mo ibahin meaning ng athiest kahit si richard dawkins mong cannibal diyos sinabi nya na agnostic sya kaya wag mong labanan ung diyos mong si richard dawkins. ahaha

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Mas naniniwala ako sa SCIENTIFIC at HISTORICAL CONSENSUS na MYTH lang ang bibliya kesa sau na walang alam. Di totoo ang bibliya. Kapareho lang un ng Greek, Norse, at Egyptian mythologies. Matagal na ung nadisprove ng science at history. Walang kahit isang totoong nakasulat jan. Kaya nga puro atheist karamihan ng mga scientists at philosophers ngaun.
 
mas maniniwala ako sa may phd at taga harvard na may 2 million+ view at maraming upvote kaysa sayo na si 1% 99% ano yan safegaurd? eh wala naman nakasulat na percentage dun sa wiki article na binigay mo halatang sa pwet mo lang ng gagaling ung mga sinasabi mo. parang sinabi mo na pogi ka pero di ako maniniwala dahil wala kang credibility wala ka ngang nobel prize na mapakita sa mga findings sa pinagsasabi mo at ung masama pa dun ung mga pinag sasabi mo minsan wala pang backings lol. si 1% 99% mong catchphrase sakit sa tyan ahaha si conspiracy theory ka talaga lakas mo! masasabi ko lang wag mo ibahin meaning ng athiest kahit si richard dawkins mong cannibal diyos sinabi nya na agnostic sya kaya wag mong labanan ung diyos mong si richard dawkins. ahaha

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Let me just reply based sa video na inadd mo hir..

Ur stand is 50/50 as u said before...and based sa scale ni dawkins ay sa range from 1-7 eh 4 ka.. right in the middle..which as dawkins puts it eh (which i agree with) is "the most illogical" among the scale.

And if u actually watched the vid .or understood it correctly . He also said na "2" is the "de facto theist" and "6" is the "de facto atheist".. and he considered himself a "6"....

Fyi din.. agnostics is about ur position on KNOWLEDGE...wat u actually know or dont know. Atheist is about ur position on a BELIEF...
 
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