🕯️ Traditions WHY DID GOD ASK THE ISRAELITES TO KILL THE CANAANITES.

[stellarium]

Natural laway ang gamit ko alangan naman paa. Ikaw ba paa ba gamit mo?

Otoy, ang tamang pakikipag-debate, you use your own words rather than rely on other people's words. Lumilitaw ka tuloy na ano nga yun? Wannabe at copy-cat.

Hindi mo na nasagot yung ehemplo ko. Confused ka ano?

sasagutin ko lang to rant ng pinaka istupid0ng atheist dito at d ko nakalagpas saken kanina

buti naman at inamin mong laway lang ang gamit mo haha


pag ako nakikipag debate ko i use my own argument and support it with evidence on the statement on the authority of the field


pag sinabi ko may archeological evidence ng children and human sacrifice ay hindi laway lang yan dahil may archeological evidence yan, historical fact yan from archeologists and historians

ikaw pag sinabi mo walang archeological evidence ng human sacrifice na ang ginawa ang mga canaanite

sino maniniwala sayo? archeologists ka ba? historian ka ba? para gawin mo evindence ang laway mo?

mangmang at trying hard atheist ka lang kaya walang maniniwala sayo

istupidong atheist lang na tulad mo ang maniniwala sayo

kaya wag mo ko lalawayan ng mga non sense and moronic argument mo hindi uubra saken yan

noon ay bago ako dito ng magkaharap tayo kaya nag pre preno ako at hindi ko pinapatulan yan mangmang at magaspang na pananalita mo

kung wala ka respeto sa pananalita at preno sa pananalita mo kaya ko yang ibalik sayo


syempre not too much ay ayoko ma ban
at makasama sayo sa mga kandidato dito na malamin na ma ban
manigas ka mag isa ka hehehehe

 

[jayendecastro]

bakit wala ka maipakita?

wag mag assume kung hindi mo nabasa ang bible at wala ka maipakita verse
there is no evidence, historical evidence that the children and the women was near on the battle field during the siege of canaan

hindi ka nagsaliksik ng history kaya ganyan pangangatwiran mo

its 1400 bc you will heard the scream., the shriek of the children sacrificing on the temple of moloch

they you have a moral issue to this horrible things?

the cannanite became debauched people, which according to the bible the land vommited on its inhabitants

God takes action to stop those disgusting and abominable human sacrifice

at historically the canaanite survived in the empire of carthage kaya ang object ay hindi upang patayin sila lahat kundi pigilin ang influence nila at ng religion nila

ang moral standard ay nagbabago depende sa mga tao kung ang canaanite ay nagpatuloy as military forces killing baby and sacrificing them on baal is a common practice today

given that all fact God has a good reason to eradicate the canaanite on israel
ang intention and object ang tignan mo

now paki bigay ang sinabi mo kasama ang mga batang canaanite na pinatay ng mga israelita

Sinabi ko na kanina db?? Nasa book of joshua... Same level pala kayu ni TS eh...

Pero eto ung sinasabi ko sa canaan conquest.

"And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the Lord: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.
And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.
But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the Lord: they shall come into the treasury of the Lord.
So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.
And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword."

Now, ur turn.. i asked kung ano ang utos ni god about the canaanites??

Nagbabasa ka ba?? I said na i agree na abomination ang human sacrifice..

The issue hir is if it is justified na pati sanggol eh patayin din as god ordered....

Yan sinabi na ni Pancit Canton....bat kaw di masabi?? Magkaiba ba kayo ng bible??

NOW..simpleng tanong...DID GOD ORDERED THE KILLING OF EVERYONE IN CANAAN?? YES 0R NO?

 

[jayendecastro]

Idedeny nya padin yan kahit ipakita mo ynag pic na may 20k na sanggol na pinapatay ng mga canaanites... Hindi nmn kasi mahalaga sakanya buhay ng mga yan... Di nmn nya kasi kamag-anak...

Consistent ka talaga....hahahaha... Basahin mo kasi..i agreed na mali ung practice...and i didnt shrug the photo.. ung context na pagpatay din sa mga bata na ordered ni god ang pinaguusapan...

Canaanites sacrifices children. Bad. I agree.
God ordered the killing of canaanites. I agree
God ordered the killing of canaanites even children. I dont agree.

Clear??

Maka sang ayon ka pa sa photo na yan pero pag idea mo sinupalpalan ng photo at data di ka marunong umacknowledge.... that's hypocrisy...

 

[jayendecastro]

tsaka atheist ka di ba?bakit andito ka thread na to?di ba sabi ni TS for theist only?naghahanap lang kayo ng debate e.haha

May sinasabi ka??? Massacre din hilig mo eh..bat di mo balikan ung thread ng na massacre na pamilya at iask mo let ung religion or kung naniniwala sa dyos ung killer...

Napaka insensitive mo... Tsk..tsk....

 

[stellarium]

Sinabi ko na kanina db?? Nasa book of joshua... Same level pala kayu ni TS eh...

Pero eto ung sinasabi ko sa canaan conquest.

"And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the Lord: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.
And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.
But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the Lord: they shall come into the treasury of the Lord.
So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.
And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ***, with the edge of the sword."

Now, ur turn.. i asked kung ano ang utos ni god about the canaanites??

Nagbabasa ka ba?? I said na i agree na abomination ang human sacrifice..

The issue hir is if it is justified na pati sanggol eh patayin din as god ordered....

Yan sinabi na ni Pancit Canton....bat kaw di masabi?? Magkaiba ba kayo ng bible??

NOW..simpleng tanong...DID GOD ORDERED THE KILLING OF EVERYONE IN CANAAN?? YES 0R NO?

hindi lang ako sa bible nagbabase, at para sa kaalamanan i do not believe the 100% authenthicity of the bible
i am a rational theist, not christian apologetics, diverse ang paniniwala ko sa ibat ibang religious scriptures and religious traditions,

we are both theists
but we are different, nagbabase din ako sa other sources like history

at ang pinag uusapan dito ay canaanite so be specific
kaya hinihingi ko ay specific verse kung saan mo binase yung sinabi mo

 

[Joab10]

May sinasabi ka??? Massacre din hilig mo eh..bat di mo balikan ung thread ng na massacre na pamilya at iask mo let ung religion or kung naniniwala sa dyos ung killer...

Napaka insensitive mo... Tsk..tsk....

oo sinabi ko bakit andito ka sa thread na ito?para mang-away at makipagdebate?haha, oops massacre hilig ko?mangilabot ka sa sinasabi mo. malaking kasalanan yang pagbibintang mo saken. anong masama kong itanong ko man yun?curious ako e, masama ba dating sayo?affected ka ba?haha

 

[jayendecastro]

lets summaries your question jayendecastro about canaanite insident ano ba dahilan nito

why god ordered this?


SITUATION:

The canaanite corrupted the land of israel they sacrificed thousands of their children on the temple of their god


OBJECT:

God was not concerned with ethnicity
he is concern on sin and evil

kung babasahin mo sa kabuuan god threatened israelite more than other nations for disobedience, he even ordered to kill thousands israelites Exodus 32:27

(kaya yong sinasabi ng mangmang na si homer sa last talakayan namin noon israel tribal god ang god ng bible ay malayo sa katotohanan)


but the question still remains, why this drastic measure? its the certain prescription


PRESCRIPTION AND SPECIFIC COMMANDMEND :

yan mga binabanggit nyo ay part ng history, it was not commanded for all people but only for the jewish people, and no where you can find in the bible that god commanded that we must kill each other by the basis of ethnicity

those are specific time and certain situation in history, God's ordered against canaanites has a goOd reason, to stop the corruption of the land


and that is a part of the promise of God, to give the promised land to the jewish people - at ang mga napaalis na tribe noon ay mga corrupt they performed horrible things na tulad ng mga canaanite, hindi sila napalayas ng walang matibay na dahilan

tulad pag ikaw ay land owner at ang mga nangungupahan sa lupain mo ay gumagawa ng krimen, u must take 2 drastic actions

(1) paalisin mo sila sa lupain mo para paupahan sa karapat dapat
(2) isumbong sila sa authoridad sa kanilang masamang gawain sa iyong lupain

in this context god is the owner so he has the authority to evict them and to punish them for their crimes


subukan mo pumunta sa bansang nagpapatupad ng death penalty at magsunog ka dun ng mga bata ewan ko lang kung hindi ka halutan ng bitay


and laslty hindi nyo naman dapat pinakikialaman ito
kayo mga atheist ay walang conception of morality, good and evil to ground

relative nga ang morality sabi ni homer - so killing and eating baby ay hindi masama sa inyo

then may guts pa kayo mga atheists na i question ang God on the ground of morality na wala nga kayo pwedi pagbasihan at kunsepto nyan

So hindi relative ang morality for you??

So yang ginawa ni god non na killing sa canaanites ay morally acceptable noon...and still is kung hindi relative ang morality mo.

Okay noon..okay pa din now for you...wow....

Okay lets use ur example...

Lets say sa paupahan namen..may umupang isang pamilya..mag asawa at 2 nilang anak.
Nalaman at napatunayan ko na adik, killer ung mga magulang nung mga bata.

Lets say dahil sa nalaman ko paalisin ko sila... Pero pumalag at tinangka ako patayin. Papatayin ko ung magulang to defend myself ryt?? NOW...DO I HAVE TO KILL THEIR CHILDREN TOO??

YES or NO??

 

[jayendecastro]

hindi lang ako sa bible nagbabase, at para sa kaalamanan i do not believe the 100% authenthicity of the bible
i am a rational theist, not christian apologetics, diverse ang paniniwala ko sa ibat ibang religious scriptures and religious traditions,

we are both theists
but we are different, nagbabase din ako sa other sources like history

at ang pinag uusapan dito ay canaanite so be specific
kaya hinihingi ko ay specific verse kung saan mo binase yung sinabi mo

Yan na nga ung mismong verses eh... Joshua 6.. i posted the ACTUAL VERSE.... Just answer if u can.

So based sa sources mo mali ba or tama ang sabi ni pancit canton??

Will u or will not answer...were the children in canaanites killed or not?

 

[homer_simpson]

sasagutin ko lang to rant ng pinaka istupid0ng atheist dito at d ko nakalagpas saken kanina

buti naman at inamin mong laway lang ang gamit mo haha


pag ako nakikipag debate ko i use my own argument and support it with evidence on the statement on the authority of the field


pag sinabi ko may archeological evidence ng children and human sacrifice ay hindi laway lang yan dahil may archeological evidence yan, historical fact yan from archeologists and historians

ikaw pag sinabi mo walang archeological evidence ng human sacrifice na ang ginawa ang mga canaanite

sino maniniwala sayo? archeologists ka ba? historian ka ba? para gawin mo evindence ang laway mo?

mangmang at trying hard atheist ka lang kaya walang maniniwala sayo

istupidong atheist lang na tulad mo ang maniniwala sayo

kaya wag mo ko lalawayan ng mga non sense and moronic argument mo hindi uubra saken yan

noon ay bago ako dito ng magkaharap tayo kaya nag pre preno ako at hindi ko pinapatulan yan mangmang at magaspang na pananalita mo

kung wala ka respeto sa pananalita at preno sa pananalita mo kaya ko yang ibalik sayo


syempre not too much ay ayoko ma ban
at makasama sayo sa mga kandidato dito na malamin na ma ban
manigas ka mag isa ka hehehehe

Puro stupid lumlabas sa bunganga nito. Na prang pag naghalukay ng kung anu-anong links eh pakiramdam genius sya. B0b0!

 

[homer_simpson]

pag mangmang talaga sa history wala na aasahan kundi mangmang na response


wag mo ako itulad sa mga atheist na pseudo historian na tulad ni richard dawkins

May genius dito!

 

[stellarium]

jayendecastro ang binabanggit mo ay siege of jericho - the city of jericho

sa bibliya ay madami occupants ang canaan including hitites and amortrites
so we cannot determine the exact original occupant of jericho


besides the siege of jericho according to some archeologist did not really happened
according to archeologist William Dever

makikita natin nyan sa verse ng bible


1 When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you- 2 and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. 6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession. -Deutoronomy 7 1-6

at iyan ang pinaka declaration sa bible on how to conquer the land of canaan and its corrupted inhabitants


so lets analize the verses in question


the main purpose of the conquest is: to

drive out the corrupted inhabitants - not to kill them all including children
to break down their idols where they sacrificed their childrens

God said do not make treaty on them - if the purpose of conquest is to kill them all including children then why God reminded the israelite to not make treaty on them? can you make treaty to a destroyed tribe? certainly not because that is not the main purpose of their conquest

God said do not intermary with them - if the purpose of conquest is to kill them all including children then why God reminded the israelite on not intermarry with them? can you they intermarry on a destyroyed tribe? certainly not because that is not the main purpose of their conquest


HISTORICAL FACT:

the canaanite did survey and travelled in their new land in mediterenean teritories where they grow as powerful empire which challenged the might of rome empire in the so called punic wars


history mismo ang makakapag sabi na ang purpose ng Diyos ay not to kill all the canaanite including women and children if its then hindi sila makakarating sa mediteranian teritories.

 

[stellarium]

Puro stupid lumlabas sa bunganga nito. Na prang pag naghalukay ng kung anu-anong links eh pakiramdam genius sya. B0b0!

hoy dakilang b0b0 manahimik ka at laway lang naman ang alam mo sabihin mo kay fabriche yan dahil siya mahilig dyan sa wiki links ang kapwa mo atheists

wala ka lugar dito sa debate dahil b0b0 ka ang patunay mo lang ay mabaho mong laway kaya walang maniniwala sayo

 

[stellarium]

May genius dito!

may b0b0 dito na nakikipag debate gamit ang kanyang mabahong laway hahaha

 

[homer_simpson]

may b0b0 dito na nakikipag debate gamit ang kanyang mabahong laway hahaha

May mas b0b0 dito gamit paa. At wlanag alam kundi copy-paste.

 

[homer_simpson]

jayendecastro ang binabanggit mo ay siege of jericho - the city of jericho

sa bibliya ay madami occupants ang canaan including hitites and amortrites
so we cannot determine the exact original occupant of jericho


besides the siege of jericho according to some archeologist did not really happened
according to archeologist William Dever

makikita natin nyan sa verse ng bible


1 When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you- 2 and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. 6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession. -Deutoronomy 7 1-6

at iyan ang pinaka declaration sa bible on how to conquer the land of canaan and its corrupted inhabitants


so lets analize the verses in question


the main purpose of the conquest is: to

drive out the corrupted inhabitants - not to kill them all including children
to break down their idols where they sacrificed their childrens

God said do not make treaty on them - if the purpose of conquest is to kill them all including children then why God reminded the israelite to not make treaty on them? can you make treaty to a destroyed tribe? certainly not because that is not the main purpose of their conquest

God said do not intermary with them - if the purpose of conquest is to kill them all including children then why God reminded the israelite on not intermarry with them? can you they intermarry on a destyroyed tribe? certainly not because that is not the main purpose of their conquest


HISTORICAL FACT:

the canaanite did survey and travelled in their new land in mediterenean teritories where they grow as powerful empire which challenged the might of rome empire in the so called punic wars


history mismo ang makakapag sabi na ang purpose ng Diyos ay not to kill all the canaanite including women and children if its then hindi sila makakarating sa mediteranian teritories.

Eto son of google ito. Pero hindi kayang mag-paliwanag sa sariing salita.

 

[stellarium]

Eto son of google ito. Pero hindi kayang mag-paliwanag sa sariing salita.

saan ako nag google?


ha son of stupid? sakin mo na naman pinasa yung gawain madalas ni fabriche na kapwa mo atheists

hilig mo kasi bumanat at magpuputok dito b0b0 ka naman at reference mo laway mo

duon ka sa kalye mag sisigaw duon bagay yan katangahan m0 sa moral argument
walang lugar sa debate yan pang tabogo mo laway argument

 

[stellarium]

May mas b0b0 dito gamit paa. At wlanag alam kundi copy-paste.

ang utak mo nasa paa mo haha

asaan ang copy paste ko dito?

i copy pasted it for reference to support my argument with credible and authoritative evidence

ikaw para sayo hindi nag baby sacrifice ng baby ang mga canaanite?
sabi mo?sino maniniwala sayo eh dakilang istupido at pulpol ka lang hindi ka naman historian hahaha

saliva historian yan bagay itawag sayo

 

[fabbriche]

Justification lang un ng mga Israelita para makapag-wage ng war sa original inhabitants ng Palestine. Gawain yan ng mga colonizers noon at ngaun. Ginawa rin yan ng mga Europeans para makamkam ang America sa mga indigenous peoples. Ginawa rin yan ng mga Arab Muslims para makamkam ang Arabia at North Africa sa mga pagano. At yan din ang ginagawa ng mga European Jews sa kasalukuyan. Kinakamkam ang Palestine mula sa Palestinian Arabs.

Hindi totoo ang diyos, religion, sin, at racism. Excuses lang ang mga ito na ginagamit ng mga colonizers para magnakaw ng lupain at possessions mula sa iba. Religion ang pinakaeffective tool sa colonization.

 

[stellarium]

ipag patuloy mo lang yang kamangmangan mo homer at masasarap ka saken kung sa ibang theist dito ay umuubra yan pang imbornal na pananalita mo ibahin mo ko

 

[stellarium]

Justification lang un ng mga Israelita para makapag-wage ng war sa original inhabitants ng Palestine. Gawain yan ng mga colonizers noon at ngaun. Ginawa rin yan ng mga Europeans para makamkam ang America sa mga indigenous peoples. Ginawa rin yan ng mga Arab Muslims para makamkam ang Arabia at North Africa sa mga pagano. At yan din ang ginagawa ng mga European Jews sa kasalukuyan. Kinakamkam ang Palestine mula sa Palestinian Arabs.

Hindi totoo ang diyos, religion, sin, at racism. Excuses lang ang mga ito na ginagamit ng mga colonizers para magnakaw ng lupain at possessions mula sa iba. Religion ang pinakaeffective tool sa colonization.

fabriche wag ka mag gogoogle **** ka daw pag nag google ka sabi ni homer na kapwa mo atheist hehehe