🕯️ Traditions tama ba si senator pacquiao?

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Cute-Piggy

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una sa lahat politics ba ito o tradition and beliefs?
pangalawa hindi naman ako anti duterte anti china lang

“Mr. President, I firmly believe that the government has been given the authority to rule over our people. As a Christian, I subscribe to what the Bible says about submission to governing authorities,” said Pacquiao

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Romans 13
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
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1 Every person must be subject to the governing authorities, for no authority exists except by God’s permission. The existing authorities have been established by God,

2 so that whoever resists the authorities opposes what God has established, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
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1 Ang bawa't kaluluwa ay pasakop sa matataas na kapangyarihan: sapagka't walang kapangyarihan na hindi mula sa Dios; at ang mga kapangyarihang yao'y hinirang ng Dios.

2 Kaya nga't ang sumasalangsang sa kapangyarihan, ay sa utos ng Dios sumasalangsang: at ang mga nagsisalangsang ay magsisitanggap ng kahatulan sa kanilang sarili.
kung ang may hawak sa mundong ito'y

2 Corinthians
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
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3 So if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are dying.

4 In their case, the god of this world has blinded the minds of those who do not believe to keep them from seeing the light of the glorious gospel of the Messiah, who is the image of God.

5 For we do not preach ourselves, but rather Jesus the Messiah as Lord, and ourselves as merely your servants for Jesus’ sake.

6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory in the face of Jesus the Messiah.
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3 At kung ang aming evangelio ay natatalukbungan pa, ay may talukbong sa mga napapahamak:

4 Na binulag ng dios ng sanglibutang ito ang mga pagiisip ng mga hindi nagsisisampalataya, upang sa kanila'y huwag sumilang ang kaliwanagan ng evangelio ng kaluwalhatian ni Cristo, na siyang larawan ng Dios.

5 Sapagka't hindi namin ipinangangaral ang aming sarili, kundi si Cristo Jesus na Panginoon, at kami ay gaya ng inyong mga alipin dahil kay Cristo.

6 Yamang ang Dios, ang nagsabi, Magniningning ang ilaw sa kadiliman, na siyang nagningning sa aming mga puso, upang magbigay ng liwanag ng pagkakilala sa kaluwalhatian ng Dios sa mukha ni Jesucristo.
si God ba talaga nag talaga kay Du30 sa pwesto ngayong ganito siya pero siguro oo dahil ito parin ay naka sulat pero yung pinupunto ni sen. pacquiao na pagkatiwalaan si prrd under ba yun ng submission?

Duterte: I am a deeply religious person

President Rodrigo Duterte said Wednesday he is a “deeply religious person” who uses the Bible as guide in his daily life.

Duterte said just because he had disagreements with the Catholic Church does not mean he could be “sacrilegious.”

“You might think that just because I quarrel with the cardinals and the bishops that I’m irreverent. ‘Yung I could be a sacrilegious guy. Hindi baya. Kilala ako ni Pastor,” the President said in an interview over Pastor Apollo Quiboloy’s television program.

“I am a deeply religious person, sa totoo lang. And my guiding life, alam ni Pastor ‘yan, is the Bible. And if you can memorize by heart and understand Ecclesiastes 3. You can face any problem. You might not be able to solve it but you can understand why.”

Duterte added: “I was prepared to deal with it every time because I was using the Bible. As there is a time for victory, there has to be a time for defeat. Kaya ganun ako.”

Born and raised a Catholic, Duterte had routinely attacked the Church and its teachings in response to the Church’s criticism of his war on drugs and killings of priests.

"Who is this stupid God? Estupido talaga itong p*** i kung ganun. You created some—something perfect and then you think of an event that would tempt and destroy the quality of your work," he said in a speech in Davao City during the opening of the 2018 National ICT Summit.

Duterte found fault in the creation story in the Bible which said that the snake tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit, then she in turn gave it to Adam. "So kinain ni Adam. Then malice was born," he said.

"How—how can you rationalize a God? Maniwala ka? Kaya nga sabi ko diyan ‘wag ka maniwala niyang…," Duterte added.

"So tayo ngayon, all of us are born with an original sin. Ang original sin—ah sin—ano man ‘yan? Was it the first kiss? O… What was the sin? Bakit original? Nasa womb ka pa, may kasalanan ka na," he said.

"C*-c* man lang ‘yun ng nanay pati tatay mo. Wala ka mang kasali. Tapos ngayon may original sin ka. T** i** klase. Anong klaseng relihiyon ‘yan," the President said.

"Eh ‘yan ang hindi ko matanggap. Very stupid proposition. Anong kasalanan? Original sin, tapos i-baptize ka. Basain pa ‘yang ulo mo ng tubig. Maniwala ka niyang pari na ‘yan," he went on.

"Ako, I believe that is a universal mind. But to what extent is the influence of that… You know, I cannot picture Him as a human being in the image of God," Duterte said.

"I… But I really believe there’s a… I have this faith and abiding thing about... Pero ‘yang relihiyon? Sus maniwala kayo diyan," he said.

'Lonely' God

Duterte said God was lonely and so He created paradise.

"And God who was lonely, who is… And there was nobody to please Him. Ngayon ko lang nalaman na ang God ma-lonely pala. Buti’t na lang walang babae sa tabi siguro. God was lonely," he said.

"Then He created paradise and that’s planet earth, okay? And He saw that the paradise, the product of His industry was beautiful. Birds, fish, lahat. Tapos—and so God said, “I will create man.” So pa-ganun. [whistles] Ayun si Adam. ‘Yung gusto kong tanungin sa p*** i** mga bishop na ‘yan…," Duterte said.

"Nandiyan na si Adam. Okay na sana ‘yun. Sabi ni God—God found that Adam will be lonely. So he took one of his ribs, bone, and created the woman. Na-l***** na. [laughter] ‘Di kung si Adam lang, mag-dumugan na tayo lahat ng lalaki dito. Okay na ‘yun. Okay lang," he said.

Duterte said he learned this in cathecism since he went to Ateneo de Manila and San Beda College, both Catholic schools.

"Grade 4—Ateneo ha, Ateneo, San Be—Katoliko, Ateneo, San Beda ako. Tapos sabi niya, 'And God doubted His creation.' So tinesting (testing) niya. Tinawag niya ‘yung ahas. [whistles] 'Come here.' Tapos binigyan niya ng apple, ipinakagat niya doon sa bunganga. Tapos sabi niya sa ahas, 'Dalhin mo itong apple doon kay Eve and tempt her to eat it, taste it,'" he said.

"So ang g***** ahas, walang utak… Pareho diyan sa—karamihan diyan sa gobyerno ganun man. Mga ahas sa ganun. Dineliver doon kay Eve. And Eve, because apple eh. Naka-balot pa ‘yung parang foam na net. 'Made in China.' Ang ginawa niya—kinain ni Eve. Tapos si Eve ginising si Adam. Siguro katatapos lang. Kumain ka rin. So kinain ni Adam. Then malice was born," he said.

Cross

Duterte also commented on Catholics' practice of revering the crucifix showing Jesus Christ on the cross.

"Ang aming krus doon sa bahay, si Jesus Christ naka-ganun. Ngayon, ‘yung simula namatay nanay ko, hindi na ako pumunta sa bahay niya, ‘yung ancestral home namin. Ayaw kong pumasok doon. But the last time nung nagkasakit siya, si Hesukristo naka-ganun na. [laughter] Sus Ginoo," he said.

"‘Pag gising ko pa lang, ‘yung—nandoon na ‘yung si Jesus naka-pako na. Hanggang ngayon naka-pako parin. [laughter] Imbes kalimutan na natin ang sakripisyo niya, every year, ipaalaala mo tuloy ‘yung kastigo niya is…," Duterte added.

"Why do you have to remember a sad thing about the killing of our God? Ako ang Diyos, gawain mo sa akin ‘yan? Ay p*** i. Para kang karne norte [laughter] if you do that. I am God and you…," he said.
 
To an extent, yes.

Hindi applicable in all situations ang sinasabi ng Romans 13 na subjection to all authority. Would you subject to Hitler back then since he was in authority according to the Bible? Kung yung 'governing authorities' do not make you violate or disregard the commandments and every teaching ng Catholic Church, then, yes you should submit to them. However, if they do, then you do not submit. As Peter and the Apostles said in Acts 5:29, "We must obey God rather than men". Therefore, put God above everything else, in every decision you make. Does the governing authority require you to disobey God? If no, then by all means submit. If yes, then follow the commandments of God, even if it requires you to disobey governing authorities. God is much higher than those He appointed. Nakasaad din sa Romans 13:7 na '....respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.' Therefore, ask yourself the question, 'Is the governing authority deserving of respect and honor?'
 
Sa mga secular democracies ng Western Europe, baliw o bo bo ang turing sa mga taong ginagamit ang religion sa political arguments.

Fiction ang religion. Kung naniniwala ka jan, sarilinin mo na lang! Di mo pwedeng iimpose ang fictional beliefs mo sa ibang tao lalo na sa mga government policies.
 
Sa mga secular democracies ng Western Europe, baliw o bo bo ang turing sa mga taong ginagamit ang religion sa political arguments.

Fiction ang religion. Kung naniniwala ka jan, sarilinin mo na lang! Di mo pwedeng iimpose ang fictional beliefs mo sa ibang tao lalo na sa mga government policies.
nag basa ka ba? si pacquiao ay famous boxer sa buong mundo lalo na sa pilipinas na naging senador na maka Diyos

Di mo pwedeng iimpose ang fictional beliefs mo sa ibang tao lalo na sa mga government policies.

patawa ka hahaha wag mo sakin sabihin yan kay pacman at kay duterte mag basa ka para maintindihan mo
 
To an extent, yes.

Hindi applicable in all situations ang sinasabi ng Romans 13 na subjection to all authority. Would you subject to Hitler back then since he was in authority according to the Bible? Kung yung 'governing authorities' do not make you violate or disregard the commandments and every teaching ng Catholic Church, then, yes you should submit to them. However, if they do, then you do not submit. As Peter and the Apostles said in Acts 5:29, "We must obey God rather than men". Therefore, put God above everything else, in every decision you make. Does the governing authority require you to disobey God? If no, then by all means submit. If yes, then follow the commandments of God, even if it requires you to disobey governing authorities. God is much higher than those He appointed. Nakasaad din sa Romans 13:7 na '....respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.' Therefore, ask yourself the question, 'Is the governing authority deserving of respect and honor?'
thanks po naliwanagan ang nag kabuhol buhol kong isip
 
nag basa ka ba? si pacquiao ay famous boxer sa buong mundo lalo na sa pilipinas na naging senador na maka Diyos

Di mo pwedeng iimpose ang fictional beliefs mo sa ibang tao lalo na sa mga government policies.

patawa ka hahaha wag mo sakin sabihin yan kay pacman
Naging senador lang si Pacquiao dahil sikat siya. Ignorante sya wala syang alam sa batas. Puro absent pa sa senado at kongreso dati. Hindi pa nagbabayad ng tax. Hindi yan dapat naging senador. Walang yang alam kundi banggitin ang bibliya sa mga political arguments. Nakakahiya siya. Ibinabandera niya ang kamangmangan niya.
 
Naging senador lang si Pacquiao dahil sikat siya. Ignorante sya wala syang alam sa batas. Puro absent pa sa senado at kongreso dati. Hindi pa nagbabayad ng tax. Hindi yan dapat naging senador. Walang yang alam kundi banggitin ang bibliya sa mga political arguments. Nakakahiya siya. Ibinabandera niya ang kamangmangan niya.
ano masasabi mo kay prrd? ignorante din ba siya at nakakahiya siya tsaka hindi siya dapat naging presidente?
 
fabbriche at sa totoo lang sinabi yun ni pacman not to opposed but to support death penalty so kung si pacman nag share siya ng bible verse tungkol sa kanyang paniniwala(at kinontra yun ni drilon) ano naman masasabi mo kay president rrd? na nag share din ng bible verse tungkol sa kanyang paniniwala?
 
Thats why di dapat imix ang religion at government


And here's the thing din..if ur a religious person then clearly nman jan sa romans 13:1-7 na pretty much na the leaders we have are there because god allowed them to rule. Kung lahat ng leaders na nagrule eh will ni god then a religious person shud have no question about it..wala dapat na cherry picking... Btw last part ng romans 1-7 na yan is about taxes din ata...

So si god dapat ang above any men, and leaders are able to rule because god allowed it. So by default dapat submit ka sa leaders na inallow ni god to rule regardless of who they are.

Kaya maige pa tlaga di religious eh...hahahha
 
Thats why di dapat imix ang religion at government


And here's the thing din..if ur a religious person then clearly nman jan sa romans 13:1-7 na pretty much na the leaders we have are there because god allowed them to rule. Kung lahat ng leaders na nagrule eh will ni god then a religious person shud have no question about it..wala dapat na cherry picking... Btw last part ng romans 1-7 na yan is about taxes din ata...

So si god dapat ang above any men, and leaders are able to rule because god allowed it. So by default dapat submit ka sa leaders na inallow ni god to rule regardless of who they are.

Kaya maige pa tlaga di religious eh...hahahha
parang ikaw si paul at si PHC-Noob_Saibot ay si james
faith with works is dead...
faith without works is dead...
 
Thats why di dapat imix ang religion at government

And here's the thing din..if ur a religious person then clearly nman jan sa romans 13:1-7 na pretty much na the leaders we have are there because god allowed them to rule. Kung lahat ng leaders na nagrule eh will ni god then a religious person shud have no question about it..wala dapat na cherry picking... Btw last part ng romans 1-7 na yan is about taxes din ata...

So si god dapat ang above any men, and leaders are able to rule because god allowed it. So by default dapat submit ka sa leaders na inallow ni god to rule regardless of who they are.

Kaya maige pa tlaga di religious eh...hahahha
Ah, no. It is possible that God is just testing you, as mentioned in Deuteronomy 13:3. Hindi immune sa pagkakasala and pagkakamali ang mga leaders that God appointed (example: King Solomon and King David). And kahit hindi religion ang gawin nating basehan, walang nakasaad sa Constitution na yung government and the people in it are exempt to the rule of law. If a government leader is corrupt, would you submit? If a government leader violates the Constitution, the highest law of the land, would you submit?

Kapag binasa mo ang Romans 13, you'll realize that it is only applicable to an ideal government with no flaws, which does not exist. Or at least, iyan yung pagkakaintindi ko. Paul did not take into account a government with wicked governing authorities.

Eto yung Romans 13:7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

I am not against paying taxes or revenue. But we should be mindful of who to respect and honor. Respect and honor only to those whom respect and honor is due. Anong silbi pa ng free will kung hindi naman pala natin gagamitin? We have the capacity to determine if the governing authority is already violating the rules it has vowed to uphold.
 
Ah, no. It is possible that God is just testing you, as mentioned in Deuteronomy 13:3. Hindi immune sa pagkakasala and pagkakamali ang mga leaders that God appointed (example: King Solomon and King David). And kahit hindi religion ang gawin nating basehan, walang nakasaad sa Constitution na yung government and the people in it are exempt to the rule of law. If a government leader is corrupt, would you submit? If a government leader violates the Constitution, the highest law of the land, would you submit?

Kapag binasa mo ang Romans 13, you'll realize that it is only applicable to an ideal government with no flaws, which does not exist. Or at least, iyan yung pagkakaintindi ko. Paul did not take into account a government with wicked governing authorities.

Eto yung Romans 13:7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

I am not against paying taxes or revenue. But we should be mindful of who to respect and honor. Respect and honor only to those whom respect and honor is due. Anong silbi pa ng free will kung hindi naman pala natin gagamitin? We have the capacity to determine if the governing authority is already violating the rules it has vowed to uphold.
Testing me?? Du mean na he allowed wicked leaders to rule to test the people?? Yet he ordered them to submit...so why not allowed GOOD leaders to rule and people will submit... Wag na test test na ganan..

Un nga eh... Etu sabi sa bible na god's will basically ang naging leaders or would be leaders... And now u say na "its only applicable" to some criteria... Para kasing pag convenient eh tama ang bible..ang passage na yan...pero pag di tugma sa personal na paniniwala eh ididissect na ung interpretation sa bible.
 
Testing me?? Du mean na he allowed wicked leaders to rule to test the people?? Yet he ordered them to submit...so why not allowed GOOD leaders to rule and people will submit... Wag na test test na ganan..

Un nga eh... Etu sabi sa bible na god's will basically ang naging leaders or would be leaders... And now u say na "its only applicable" to some criteria... Para kasing pag convenient eh tama ang bible..ang passage na yan...pero pag di tugma sa personal na paniniwala eh ididissect na ung interpretation sa bible.
Wala na akong magagawa kung hindi ka maniniwala sa Bible or sa Diyos. Useless din na i-interpret ng isang taong hindi naniniwala sa Diyos ang Bible. Hindi lang literal ang interpretation ng Bible na applicable at all times.

With that, sige, since sinabi mo above na hindi dapat i-mix yung religion and government, let's use laws then as a basis. Ignore muna natin religion. As I said walang nakasaad sa Constitution na yung government and the government officials exempt to the rule of law. If a government leader is corrupt, would you submit? If a government leader violates the Constitution, the highest law of the land, would you submit? Because according to the definition of rule of law:

The rule of law is a principle of governance in which all persons, institutions and entities, public and private, including the State itself, are accountable to laws that are publicly promulgated, equally enforced and independently adjudicated, and which are consistent with international human rights norms and standards. It requires, as well, measures to ensure adherence to the principles of supremacy of law, equality before the law, accountability to the law, fairness in the application of the law, separation of powers, participation in decision-making, legal certainty, avoidance of arbitrariness and procedural and legal transparency.

With that, hindi exempt ang government sa batas. Kung may ginawang hind na-aayon sa batas ang isang government leader, he/she should face the consequences. Hindi pwedeng sabihin na wala na tayong magagawa kasi submit lang tayo dapat palagi sa government. Again, we as the people have the capacity to determine if the governing authority is already violating the rules it has vowed to uphold. Hindi dahil religious person ay hindi na marunong mag-isip. Hindi dahil hindi naniniwala sa Diyos, mas may kakayahan mag-isip and mas nakakalamang sa diskurso o kaalaman sa batas. Huwag pong lahatin.

To answer yung question ni Cute-Piggy, nope, hindi ako naniniwala na tama ang sinabi ni Senator Pacquiao na submission to authorities at all times, based on my interpretation of what is taught to me as a Christian and based on what is required from me by the law.
 
Wala na akong magagawa kung hindi ka maniniwala sa Bible or sa Diyos. Useless din na i-interpret ng isang taong hindi naniniwala sa Diyos ang Bible. Hindi lang literal ang interpretation ng Bible na applicable at all times.

With that, sige, since sinabi mo above na hindi dapat i-mix yung religion and government, let's use laws then as a basis. Ignore muna natin religion. As I said walang nakasaad sa Constitution na yung government and the government officials exempt to the rule of law. If a government leader is corrupt, would you submit? If a government leader violates the Constitution, the highest law of the land, would you submit? Because according to the definition of rule of law:

The rule of law is a principle of governance in which all persons, institutions and entities, public and private, including the State itself, are accountable to laws that are publicly promulgated, equally enforced and independently adjudicated, and which are consistent with international human rights norms and standards. It requires, as well, measures to ensure adherence to the principles of supremacy of law, equality before the law, accountability to the law, fairness in the application of the law, separation of powers, participation in decision-making, legal certainty, avoidance of arbitrariness and procedural and legal transparency.

With that, hindi exempt ang government sa batas. Kung may ginawang hind na-aayon sa batas ang isang government leader, he/she should face the consequences. Hindi pwedeng sabihin na wala na tayong magagawa kasi submit lang tayo dapat palagi sa government. Again, we as the people have the capacity to determine if the governing authority is already violating the rules it has vowed to uphold. Hindi dahil religious person ay hindi na marunong mag-isip. Hindi dahil hindi naniniwala sa Diyos, mas may kakayahan mag-isip and mas nakakalamang sa diskurso o kaalaman sa batas. Huwag pong lahatin.

To answer yung question ni Cute-Piggy, nope, hindi ako naniniwala na tama ang sinabi ni Senator Pacquiao na submission to authorities at all times, based on my interpretation of what is taught to me as a Christian and based on what is required from me by the law.
I agree with u pagdating jan sa rule of law na it applies to evryone..no one is above it..

Wat im saying is if the bible which you believe in to be the word of god..and sabi nga sa romans na ganon..then if ang nappoint na leader is ung masama or wicked then by default god allowed it to happen... So which teaching will u submit urself to?? Na leaders are allowed or willed by god? Or ung no one is greater than god??

If i were elected as a leader..i can just simply drop those romans verses and say that god's will allowed me to win. And i may have a valid point regardless of wat kind of a person i am.

And one more thing.. sa law..maaring may loopholes yan or blindspot...and eventually pd amend if the situation requires it..

Ung rules ba sa bible pd iamend?? Or u just interpret it to wat u want it to mean para di conflicting sa agenda or belief mo?
 
I agree with u pagdating jan sa rule of law na it applies to evryone..no one is above it..

Wat im saying is if the bible which you believe in to be the word of god..and sabi nga sa romans na ganon..then if ang nappoint na leader is ung masama or wicked then by default god allowed it to happen... So which teaching will u submit urself to?? Na leaders are allowed or willed by god? Or ung no one is greater than god??

If i were elected as a leader..i can just simply drop those romans verses and say that god's will allowed me to win. And i may have a valid point regardless of wat kind of a person i am.

And one more thing.. sa law..maaring may loopholes yan or blindspot...and eventually pd amend if the situation requires it..

Ung rules ba sa bible pd iamend?? Or u just interpret it to wat u want it to mean para di conflicting sa agenda or belief mo?
1. 'So which teaching will u submit urself to?? Na leaders are allowed or willed by god? Or ung no one is greater than god??' I think you misunderstood. I believe that leaders are allowed by God and at the same time, no one is greater than God. Hindi naman nagcocontradict yung statements na iyan. Pero hindi ibig sabihin na immune sila sa maling decisions or na sila na dapat ang basehan ng tama kasi nagkakasala din sila. Yung Romans, again, take into account not just literal interpretation. Also understand kailan siya sinulat, sino nagsulat, para kanino ang sinulat. I think I can say that Paul is referring here to a just government, hence he said to submit to it. Interpreting it otherwise would contradict other teachings in the Bible. I do not claim to be a master in interpreting a Bible but that's how I understand it.
2. 'If i were elected as a leader..i can just simply drop those romans verses and say that god's will allowed me to win. And i may have a valid point regardless of wat kind of a person i am.' Nope, that leader would not have a valid point. You said it yourself, arguments based on religious beliefs cannot be used in political debate. While there is freedom to exercise religion, the State should not favor any religion and hindi sila dapat mag-impose ng beliefs nila sa ibang tao. Kahit anong religion ka pa, you are not exempt from the law, even if you quote Romans 13.
3. 'And one more thing.. sa law..maaring may loopholes yan or blindspot...and eventually pd amend if the situation requires it..' Not sure kung mayroon but I think I would like to ask you kung anong example ng loopholes ang nakita mo which could justify unlawful acts by government leaders?
4. 'Ung rules ba sa bible pd iamend?? Or u just interpret it to wat u want it to mean para di conflicting sa agenda or belief mo?' There are some rules in the Bible na hindi na practiced, like in the Old Testament. Hindi ini-interpret ang Bible to suit one's belief. Iba-iba lang talaga interpretation depende sa relihiyon. May iba literal lang tinatanggap nila, yung iba naman hindi. Kung interested ka, you can understand a bit by reading here regarding sa interpretation ng Catholic sa Bible: You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.
 
1. 'So which teaching will u submit urself to?? Na leaders are allowed or willed by god? Or ung no one is greater than god??' I think you misunderstood. I believe that leaders are allowed by God and at the same time, no one is greater than God. Hindi naman nagcocontradict yung statements na iyan. Pero hindi ibig sabihin na immune sila sa maling decisions or na sila na dapat ang basehan ng tama kasi nagkakasala din sila. Yung Romans, again, take into account not just literal interpretation. Also understand kailan siya sinulat, sino nagsulat, para kanino ang sinulat. I think I can say that Paul is referring here to a just government, hence he said to submit to it. Interpreting it otherwise would contradict other teachings in the Bible. I do not claim to be a master in interpreting a Bible but that's how I understand it.
2. 'If i were elected as a leader..i can just simply drop those romans verses and say that god's will allowed me to win. And i may have a valid point regardless of wat kind of a person i am.' Nope, that leader would not have a valid point. You said it yourself, arguments based on religious beliefs cannot be used in political debate. While there is freedom to exercise religion, the State should not favor any religion and hindi sila dapat mag-impose ng beliefs nila sa ibang tao. Kahit anong religion ka pa, you are not exempt from the law, even if you quote Romans 13.
3. 'And one more thing.. sa law..maaring may loopholes yan or blindspot...and eventually pd amend if the situation requires it..' Not sure kung mayroon but I think I would like to ask you kung anong example ng loopholes ang nakita mo which could justify unlawful acts by government leaders?
4. 'Ung rules ba sa bible pd iamend?? Or u just interpret it to wat u want it to mean para di conflicting sa agenda or belief mo?' There are some rules in the Bible na hindi na practiced, like in the Old Testament. Hindi ini-interpret ang Bible to suit one's belief. Iba-iba lang talaga interpretation depende sa relihiyon. May iba literal lang tinatanggap nila, yung iba naman hindi. Kung interested ka, you can understand a bit by reading here regarding sa interpretation ng Catholic sa Bible: You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.
The romans 13:1-7 is pretty clear naman... When u say that u think paul is referring to a just government is just how u interpret it. Nothing was mentioned there as to wat kind of governing authorities they are. WALA. So if un ang case tama ka na magcocontradict nga sa ibang teachings.. and thats what im saying... Alin ang susundin mo sa contradicting teachings na mga yon?? Or wud u dissect it para sumakto sa interpretation mo.

A leader can say "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good."

And the servant cant say "no one is above god"

So sinu sa dalawa ang tama when they are both quoting the supposed word of god?

And wen u say tao lang din ang mga leaders na yan na pd magkamali or maging masama.. db dapat alam ni god un before he allowed him/her to rule? May basbas at will ni god daw ung authorities pero pag nagkamali kasi tao lang?? Or nagkamali si god ng pagpili?

Kung referring si paul sa society dati nunh time nea... And may practices kamo na hindi na ginagawa or applicable now. And pd or may ibat ibang way to interpret...so basically wat ur saying is that the bible as god's word is outdated and unclear or not specific...

And ung sa loopholes sa laws.. gugel mo na lang impeachment ni gma as an example..
 
The romans 13:1-7 is pretty clear naman... When u say that u think paul is referring to a just government is just how u interpret it. Nothing was mentioned there as to wat kind of governing authorities they are. WALA. So if un ang case tama ka na magcocontradict nga sa ibang teachings.. and thats what im saying... Alin ang susundin mo sa contradicting teachings na mga yon?? Or wud u dissect it para sumakto sa interpretation mo.

A leader can say "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good."

And the servant cant say "no one is above god"

So sinu sa dalawa ang tama when they are both quoting the supposed word of god?

And wen u say tao lang din ang mga leaders na yan na pd magkamali or maging masama.. db dapat alam ni god un before he allowed him/her to rule? May basbas at will ni god daw ung authorities pero pag nagkamali kasi tao lang?? Or nagkamali si god ng pagpili?

Kung referring si paul sa society dati nunh time nea... And may practices kamo na hindi na ginagawa or applicable now. And pd or may ibat ibang way to interpret...so basically wat ur saying is that the bible as god's word is outdated and unclear or not specific...

And ung sa loopholes sa laws.. gugel mo na lang impeachment ni gma as an example..
I already told you how I interpret it. Again, hindi ako expert. You are insisting that since ganyan yung pagka-interpret mo, contradicting na siya sa teachings. Sigurado ka bang tama yung interpretation mo? Ako hindi ako sigurado din pero I do what I think would not go against my faith. You are trying to establish that it should only be interpreted literally and that it should apply at all times. Well, I don't and I won't. Kung hindi mo kayang tanggapin ang interpretation na iyan, wala na akong magagawa diyan. Hindi ko naman aim i-convince ka eh. Basta with that interpretation, it didn't go against my faith and in my legal duties as a citizen of a country.

'db dapat alam ni god un before he allowed him/her to rule? May basbas at will ni god daw ung authorities pero pag nagkamali kasi tao lang?? Or nagkamali si god ng pagpili? ' May concept po ng free will. Even if God chose that person, he has free will to do what he wants. Hindi si God nagkamali ng pagpili, yung tao yung mali. Bakit, voters ba ang may sala kung ang isang elect leader na mabait sa simula ay naging masama? And again, kung hindi mo kayang tanggapin na some are elected as a test by God, wala na rin akong magagawa diyan. Basta ako, I am not as brain dead as to support a leader kahit na obvious nang mali ginagawa niya, legally and/or morally, kahit si God pa mismo nag-appoint niyan.

'so basically wat ur saying is that the bible as god's word is outdated and unclear or not specific... ' Nope. Wala akong sinabing ganyan. Yung tinutukoy ko sa Old Testament is yung Pentateuch, which is yung batas nila Moses dati. Yung some sinusunod pa rin hanggang ngayon and yung some hindi dahil sa pagdating ni Jesus.

I am not aiming to convince you, I just can't accept na applicable at all times ang Romans 13, sorry I won't. Sadyang hindi lang talaga ganyan ang pagkaturo ng catechism sa amin. If you want to know about catechism, then search mo lang catechism of the catholic church and may mahabang libro niyan. Wala naman masama sa isang Catholic to go against unjust authorities, lalo na against authorities who are legally and morally wrong. Kung hindi mo kayang makita or tanggapin iyan, then again, wala na ako magagawa niyan except to respect what you believe. See you!
 
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