Rodante Marcoleta charged with Plunder, Bribery at Ombudsman

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[KingSemreh]

"sino makikinabang kung mapatunayang totoo?"

tayong mga pilipino, lmao.

But komokontra ka sa 18 ExMarine tapos iba ang sagot mo ngayon?
Yan ang patunay na Troll ka.

 

[Meawii]

But komokontra ka sa 18 ExMarine tapos iba ang sagot mo ngayon?
Yan ang patunay na Troll ka.

jusko ka. jusko ka. jusko ka.

 

[BicycleHorse]

E kayo puro mga kaalyado ng Duterte mga topic niyo dito eh. Why not, Recto, Escudero or etc. Kasi mga Trolls kayo. To destabilize the mind of others na walang muwang sa kasalukuyang nangyayari. Puro kayo balik sa nakaraan.

Because there is a higher chance that the future government will go backward if another Duterte leads the country.

 

[kenzkie]

Because there is a higher chance that the future government will go backward if another Duterte leads the country.

So ngayon forward?

 

[kenzkie]

Oo nga, naniniwala kayo mga DDS dun sa 18 ex marines diba?

Naniniwala din kayo sa mga bayaran? Maraming nang beses napatunayan mga bayaran media di niyo pa napaghahalata? Wala daw kinikilingan?

P.S.

Buti nga ngayon meron na kahit papaano lumalabas na balita sa magkabilang panig simula noong ipinamukha na karamihan bayaran. Nahiya siguro hahaha.

Pero mas lamang pa rin yong may bayad hahaha

 

[Meawii]

Naniniwala din kayo sa mga bayaran? Maraming nang beses napatunayan mga bayaran media di niyo pa napaghahalata? Wala daw kinikilingan?

P.S.

Buti nga ngayon meron na kahit papaano lumalabas na balita sa magkabilang panig simula noong ipinamukha na karamihan bayaran. Nahiya siguro hahaha.

Pero mas lamang pa rin yong may bayad hahaha

Sige nga, patunayan mong bayaran mga news media??

Source nyo kasi mga DDS FB vloggers, 18 ex marines, banat by, mocha uson, roganda sassot etc. kesa sa mga journalists na nag aral ng ilang yrs at mga news outlets na dumadaan sa matinding pagsasala ng mga impormasyon bago ilabas sa publiko.

 

[BicycleHorse]

So ngayon forward?

Nope, steady lang since the current government is fixing the huge mess left by the Duterte Administration.

 

[kenzkie]

Sige nga, patunayan mong bayaran mga news media??

Source nyo kasi mga DDS FB vloggers, 18 ex marines, banat by, mocha uson, roganda sassot etc. kesa sa mga journalists na nag aral ng ilang yrs at mga news outlets na dumadaan sa matinding pagsasala ng mga impormasyon bago ilabas sa publiko.

Sumusubaybay ka ba sa kanila? Di ko kilala mga pinagsasabi mo.

Di rin maririnig boses natin dito kaya go ka lang kung anong alam mong tama. Basta kami dun lang din kami sa alam naming tama.

 

[kenzkie]

Nope, steady lang since the current government is fixing the huge mess left by the Duterte Administration.

Okay po opinyon niyo yan. Iba kasi sa nakikita ng karamihan ang nakikita nyo sa current Administration.

 

[Meawii]

Sumusubaybay ka ba sa kanila? Di ko kilala mga pinagsasabi mo.

Di rin maririnig boses natin dito kaya go ka lang kung anong alam mong tama. Basta kami dun lang din kami sa alam naming tama.

Sige lang, kasi ayaw nyong marinig na araw-araw lumalabas yung baho ng mga iniidolo nyo sa balita kaya sinasabi nyong bayaran ang media.

Akala nyo namang mga DDS kini-criticize ng mga news yung idolo nyong politiko eh Nilalabas lang naman ng News yung totoo, sumasakit yung mata nyo.

Ni hindi mo nga mapatunayan na bayaran mga media ehh, sabihin nyo lang kasi na porque hindi pumapabor sa inyo ay irered tag nyo agad na bayaran ang media. Hay nako.

 

[Meawii]

Okay po opinyon niyo yan. Iba kasi sa nakikita ng karamihan ang nakikita nyo sa current Administration.

Iba kamo nakikita nyo, kasi mga bulag kayong mga DDS sa pinag gagawa ng mga idolo nyo. Ultimo may mga kasong kinakaharap na korapsyon ipagtatanggol nyo pa ehh.

 

[kenzkie]

Kahit pa anong gawin niyong paninira di kayo paniniwalaan ng taumbayan. Alam na namin ang baho ng mga iniidolo niyo. Kahit pilit pa pagtatakpan ng mga iniindolo niyo at mainstream media na inaabangan niyo ang mga tiwali.

 

[Meawii]

Kahit pa anong gawin niyong paninira di kayo paniniwalaan ng taumbayan. Alam na namin ang baho ng mga iniidolo niyo. Kahit pilit pa pagtatakpan ng mga iniindolo niyo at mainstream media na inaabangan niyo ang mga tiwali.

Taong bayan daw hanep, delusyonal yan?.

fyi. halos sa mga duterte bloc ang mga may baho at may kasong korapsyon, okay ka lang?

Hahahaha mainstream media daw mga tiwali lmao, malita ba sila? fake news?? masakit ba sa eyes na nilalabas ng news yung mga korapsyon ng mga iniidolo mo?? HAHA!

 

[musicacc727]

Di rin maririnig boses natin dito kaya go ka lang kung anong alam mong tama. Basta kami dun lang din kami sa alam naming tama.

This reasoning is what exactly we should avoid. Ano'ng saysay ng pakikipag-usap at pakikipagdebate kung hindi papakinggan? Ano'ng silbi ng diskusyon kung ikukulong mo ang sarili mo sa kung ano lang ang nais mong paniwalaan?

Assume that what you said is true, that the media can be ρáíd to present and shed light to certain topics better, yet as per what you said, you'd rather believe your own versions of truth anyway, wouldn't that make you the biased one? Because if the media were to present pieces of information against your version of truth, then you'd naturally be against them, because you already refuse to consider anything else but your own version of truth.

It's dangerous to only know one side of the coin, because they can be both heads of both tails. You're taking a gamble of a coin toss without even recognizing if the coin is fair.

 

[Meawii]

This reasoning is what exactly we should avoid. Ano'ng saysay ng pakikipag-usap at pakikipagdebate kung hindi papakinggan? Ano'ng silbi ng diskusyon kung ikukulong mo ang sarili mo sa kung ano lang ang nais mong paniwalaan?

Assume that what you said is true, that the media can be ρáíd to present and shed light to certain topics better, yet as per what you said, you'd rather believe your own versions of truth anyway, wouldn't that make you the biased one? Because if the media were to present pieces of information against your version of truth, then you'd naturally be against them, because you already refuse to consider anything else but your own version of truth.

It's dangerous to only know one side of the coin, because they can be both heads of both tails. You're taking a gamble of a coin toss without even recognizing if the coin is fair.

Gagi, maduduling yung mga DDS.. malulula sila sa ingles tas di nya babasahin. Kaya itagalog nalang natin sinabi mo:

Ang ganitong pangangatwiran ang mismong dapat nating iwasan. Ano'ng saysay ng pakikipag-usap at pakikipagdebate kung hindi papakinggan? Ano'ng silbi ng diskusyon kung ikukulong mo ang sarili mo sa kung ano lang ang nais mong paniwalaan?​

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Ipagpalagay nating totoo ang sinabi mo, na pwedeng bayaran ang media para maglahad at magbigay-linaw sa ilang partikular na paksa, pero ayon na rin sa sinabi mo, mas pipiliin mo pa ring paniwalaan ang sarili mong bersyon ng katotohanan—hindi ba’t ikaw ang lalabas na may kinikilingan doon? Dahil kung maglalabas ang media ng mga impormasyong labag sa bersyon mo ng katotohanan, natural na kakalabanin mo sila, dahil tumatanggi ka nang iconsider ang anupaman bukod sa sarili mong bersyon ng katotohanan.​

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Mapanganib na iisang panig lang ng barya ang alam mo, dahil pwedeng parehong "tao" o parehong "ibon" ang magkabilang panig nito. Sumusugal ka sa isang ihawis nang hindi man lang inaalam kung patas ba ang barya.​

 

[musicacc727]

Let me pose a question to the people here: What exactly makes Digong, Sara, Bato, and Estrada's allegations and issued casesess valid that the accusations are made by the ex-18 Marines? Where do you draw the line of a valid or invalid case? I've read a reply citing that Marcoleta's case has yet to be fully probed, that Sara's impeachment papers are still up for trial, but what differentiates those from the allegations towards Pangilinan, Sotto, Lacson, and Tulfo? How about the Villars, are they different too?

From the current state given, the only difference seems to be that the others use papers and receipts of corruption claims alongside historical records of abuses, while the other uses photos sourced from Facebook. If we really believe in impartiality, then let's all wait for them to have substantial evidences to be put into trial. Gano'n ang nangyari sa mga Senators ng Cayetano bloc, alongside Digong and Sara. They are put into trial because of substantial trial evidence and material.

 

[BicycleHorse]

Okay po opinyon niyo yan. Iba kasi sa nakikita ng karamihan ang nakikita nyo sa current Administration.

Porket sinabi ko lang na steady lang mean na I'm in favor with the current administration? Lol. I don't like the current administration, wala namang progress na nangyayari. Di pa rin kaya niya resolbahin ang kahirapan, healthcare, kawalan ng trabaho, at corruption.

 

[musicacc727]

Porket sinabi ko lang na steady lang mean na I'm in favor with the current administration? Lol. I don't like the current administration, wala namang progress na nangyayari. Di pa rin kaya niya resolbahin ang kahirapan, healthcare, kawalan ng trabaho, at corruption.

'Di nagtratrabaho ang presidente nang maayos. If he were then he would already have left a name for hinself. There had been many issues during this admin, and aside from the fact that he spent most of his administration protecting the Dutertes and his allies, he also had minimal contribution to most resolved or investigated issues, including the POGO problems, online ******** regulation, flood control issues, and even disaster responses for the various earthquakes that happened, including the recent GenSan one and the Cebu-Mindanao earthquakes last year. Both him and Sara had lots of chances to prove themselves worthy, but they both made no notable decisions and actions to resolve issues exposed during their times, but rather they both accumulated issues and now refusing to properly coordinate with each other, with Sara even sending death threats and Marcos' Ilocos areas being heavily involved in the Flood control scheme. This admin is shit, and although we can't fully blame those that voted for them and was swayed by their propagandas, the fact that they don't want to change is something else. Iyong nagca-call out dito sa media sa pagiging biased, those are the same outlets that were desperately fact-checking false information that the media outlets you believe in spread about Marcos. Those 'pure' unbiased media that you talk about are the same media outlets that presented Marcos as a pure soul. Mga Hipokrito sila, lol.

 

[BicycleHorse]

'Di nagtratrabaho ang presidente nang maayos. If he were then he would already have left a name for hinself. There had been many issues during this admin, and aside from the fact that he spent most of his administration protecting the Dutertes and his allies, he also had minimal contribution to most resolved or investigated issues, including the POGO problems, online ******** regulation, flood control issues, and even disaster responses for the various earthquakes that happened, including the recent GenSan one and the Cebu-Mindanao earthquakes last year. Both him and Sara had lots of chances to prove themselves worthy, but they both made no notable decisions and actions to resolve issues exposed during their times, but rather they both accumulated issues and now refusing to properly coordinate with each other, with Sara even sending death threats and Marcos' Ilocos areas being heavily involved in the Flood control scheme. This admin is shit, and although we can't fully blame those that voted for them and was swayed by their propagandas, the fact that they don't want to change is something else. Iyong nagca-call out dito sa media sa pagiging biased, those are the same outlets that were desperately fact-checking false information that the media outlets you believe in spread about Marcos. Those 'pure' unbiased media that you talk about are the same media outlets that presented Marcos as a pure soul. Mga Hipokrito sila, lol.

I do have the same sentiment as you, Kaya sinabi ko walang progress na nagyayari under this administration. Mainit ngayon ang mga mata ng mga tao pagdating sa mga Duterte, pero di nila napapansin na this is also a cover-up to clean their own mess. I was so furious recently when I found out that the Sandiganbayan dismissed the remaining ill-gotten wealth from the Marcoses that the government needs to recover. At the same time, ginago tayo ng mga Marcoses ng kanilang sariling Anti-Dynasty Bill or Legalizing Political Dynasty. Mas ok pa yung Senate version nito at yung version na ginawa ng Anakbayan Partylist.

 

[musicacc727]

I do have the same sentiment as you, Kaya sinabi ko walang progress na nagyayari under this administration. Mainit ngayon ang mga mata ng mga tao pagdating sa mga Duterte, pero di nila napapansin na this is also a cover-up to clean their own mess. I was so furious recently when I found out that the Sandiganbayan dismissed the remaining ill-gotten wealth from the Marcoses that the government needs to recover. At the same time, ginago tayo ng mga Marcoses ng kanilang sariling Anti-Dynasty Bill or Legalizing Political Dynasty. Mas ok pa yung Senate version nito at yung version na ginawa ng Anakbayan Partylist.

Honestly, the Anti-dynasty bill (the one that passed the HOR) is one of the best examples of how lots Filipinos only read selectively. They cheer for it, glorify it, see it as this sort of golden piece atop of the messy system, opposing and shaming those that refused to sign it and calls its flaws out.

And realistically, the Marcoses already lost their fangs during the 2016 National Elections where Bongbong lost for Vice Precidency. Although they remained to be in local positions and and some national ones, they weren't as influential anymore and wouldn't have won the 2022 National election if it weren't for the false news
And information spread by the same Duterte supporters currently against them. This ill-gotten wealth case would already been long done and dealt with, the Marcoses given proper punishments for their crimes, had it not been the narrow vision of the Filipinos that voted him and Sara, that spread endless and countless falase information against them.

Now, they call out anti-Dutertes as pro-Marcos, without even considering that it was them who voted for him, that it was them that refused to believe in the warnings and the information presented to them, that spread and poisoned the thoughts of Millions of Filipinos that Marcos was this savior that would bring Filipinos to prosperity, that it's them that were pro-Marcos, and are just looking for someone to blame for their stupid decisions.

They call anti-Dutertes trolls, ρáíd people, and even vomit-eating, and all sorts of names for making noise, for trying to shed light to facts, yet it has always been them that caused this chaos, it has been always their socmed trolling before, propaganda that they spread, false info that they distributed, and false hope and promises they presented that brought this admin into being. They used the very same name-calling tactics for anti-Marcos people before, the same exact words and arguments, so I just find it stupid how they call us pro-Marcos, while they have always been the ones that gave the man a position.