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Rodante Marcoleta charged with Plunder, Bribery at Ombudsman
- Thread starter Meawii
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KingSemreh
Eternal Poster
Ano sa tingin mo? Malinaw nman pagkasabi. Para may masabi ka lang?
KingSemreh
Eternal Poster
You have 2 new Threads. Mapapanis lang yan. Walang pumapansin. Kasi dapat naman talaga hindi na kayo pinapansin kasi nagpapansin lang kayo.
Juskoday, awa nalang.
musicacc727
Established
Wait, could you perhaps the dates of these threads? Hindi ba itong thread mismo na 'to, released when Marcoleta earned a hot eye from the Ombudsman? Didn't the Batp vs ICC threads show up when Bato started hiding from the ICC? That's how news works. Kung may controversy man ang other factions, say,' yong quorum of 12, may Duterte supporter din naman na nagpost ng supposed illegality no'n, 'di ba? It's not on us that these threads gained more attention, especially if you're the one replying over and over again. And let me ask you, are these topics irrelevant for it to be biased? My Marcos megathread isn't gaining as much attention as this thread because it's not getting as much engagement, not because I control which threads get attention and what doesn't.
Also, like I've mentioned above, Duterte supporters are contributing to the relevance of this forum just as much as us who are against his, and his allies' actions. These threats started as issues from contemporary time. You engaged with it just as much as we did, maybe even more so it gained attention and perhaps overshadowed other topics. So, how can you say that the relevance of an issue is what makes it biased, when this issue started off as one among many perspectives and issues? At this point, aren't you just salvaging your arguments?
musicacc727
Established
Uy, you've been using ad hominem lots here, and we've called that out many times. One of your first replies when we first had a discussion was "Ikaw, ilan ba bayag mo? Anong napatunayan mo sa buhay? Enumerate it compare to Bato." How about that?
musicacc727
Established
You've once called me out for acting as if you need to learn from me and my beliefs. Now, you suddenly seem to be the same. Bakit naman kailangan ihinto ni Meawii ang pag-iingay niya kung sumasagot lang naman siya sa mga paratang mo? Bakit mo tatawaging kahibangan ang isang paniniwala, kung ikaw mismo ang ilang beses nang nagsabi na panghahawakan mo ang paniniwala mo? Refusing to have your statements criticized is just elitism, and refusing to consider points made by your opponent is being bias.
Agree, paulit uli sya sa "bias". basta against ka kay Duterte automatically bias and troll ka sa tingin nya lmao. Wag daw kasi i-criticize si Duterte and allies kasi mali yunnnn bias daw yun lmao.
BicycleHorse
Elite
Hindi ko pinoprotektahan ang isang narrative; tinutukoy ko lang ang pattern na makikita natin sa lahat ng political fanatics, kahit anong partido pa yan. Kung hindi mo kayang i-call out ang sarili mong idol kapag nagkamali, iyon mismo ang point ko. Hindi iyon bias, iyon ay prinsipyo.
BicycleHorse
Elite
Exactly! Parang may mental block. Kapag ang idol nila ang nagkamali, automatic defense mode agad. Yung kritisismo binabalik-balik sa ibang tao instead na harapin ang issue mismo. Sana matuto na tayo bilang voters na i-separate ang tao mula sa plataporma niya.
Blind supporter kasi karamihan sa mga DDS ehh haha! parang nagiging cult-like na talaga, kasi parang sinasamba na nila yung mga pulitiko.
BicycleHorse
Elite
Tama ka! May term pa nga para dito na 'parasocial relationship.' Yung pakiramdam mo na close ka sa isang tao kahit hindi ka nila kilala. Sa pulitika, nagiging delikado ito kasi hindi na nila sinusuportahan ang plataporma o prinsipyo kundi ang persona mismo. Kaya kahit may nagawang mali, para sa kanila ay personal na atake na ang bawat kritisismo. Classic cult mentality talaga, ang pagdududa ay parang pagtataksil na sa kanila.
BicycleHorse
Elite
Ito yung maliwaanag na palianag tungkol sa kaso ni Makubeta
75 million galing sa private campaign funds na natanggap nya. Kaya naging Plunder kasi lagpas 50million para tawaging plunder, and public officials shouldn't have receive that large amount of money. Tapos yung inideklara nyang SALN dati hindi nagtutugma sa natanggap nyang 75 million.
Nakakatawa lang na yung isa dito dinedepansahan pa si Markubeta! HAHAHA lol!
Nakakatawa lang na yung isa dito dinedepansahan pa si Markubeta! HAHAHA lol!
KingSemreh
Eternal Poster
Kung nakikinig lang tayo sa paliwanag ng abogado ng presidente at mga corrupt na kukunwaring malinis na hindi abogado ng taong bayan, yon ang mahirap kasi akala natin tama talaga pero opps, syempre pinag aaralan din nila ang sasabihin nila kung paano nila mailusot sa taong bayan na tama talaga sila.
* Ito pakinggan niyo ang paliwanag ng isang Abogada ng bayan *
View attachment Marcoleta Plunder Case Issue.mp4
Nakalimutan mo na ata na hindi mo alam na may isang Senador na Marcoleta kasi Congressman lang.
Edit: Attached from your Pre-Statement about Marcoleta.
Click the pic for the thread linked.
Oops may natamaan kahit hindi sya yun
, bato-bato sa langit ang matamaan ay magagalit! HAHAHAHAHAKingSemreh
Eternal Poster
Is it applicable only to one person, or to anyone? HahaOops may natamaan kahit hindi sya yun
KingSemreh
Eternal Poster
Does receiving gifts amount to plunder?
Mag AI din kayo paminsan minsan for critical thinking at mapagmatyag sa galawan, wag feeling banal ng walang pinapanigan.
This is an important legal question. The short answer is: the value of the gifts alone is not enough to prove plunder.
Under Philippine law, the prosecution has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the gifts were ill-gotten wealth, not merely gifts from supporters.
To establish that the gifts were part of a corrupt scheme, prosecutors would typically need evidence such as:
For example:
In other words, ₱50 million is a threshold, not proof. Reaching or exceeding that amount does not itself establish plunder; the prosecution must also prove that the wealth was ill-gotten through the unlawful means specified in the law.
Mag AI din kayo paminsan minsan for critical thinking at mapagmatyag sa galawan, wag feeling banal ng walang pinapanigan.
This is an important legal question. The short answer is: the value of the gifts alone is not enough to prove plunder.
Under Philippine law, the prosecution has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the gifts were ill-gotten wealth, not merely gifts from supporters.
To establish that the gifts were part of a corrupt scheme, prosecutors would typically need evidence such as:
- A link between the giver and an official act or government transaction.
- Evidence that the public official gave favors, awarded contracts, issued permits, or exercised official authority in exchange for the gifts.
- Testimony from witnesses or co-conspirators.
- Documents, communications, bank records, or financial records showing the gifts were actually kickbacks, commissions, or bribes.
- A pattern demonstrating that the gifts were received through one or more of the unlawful acts listed in the Anti-Plunder Act.
What if the gifts came from different supporters?
If different supporters voluntarily gave gifts without any agreement, expectation of official favor, or corrupt arrangement, then the prosecution would still have to prove that those gifts were ill-gotten wealth. The fact that the gifts came from many people and exceeded ₱50 million does not, by itself, satisfy the elements of plunder.For example:
- Scenario A: Thousands of supporters voluntarily donate money to a public official for a birthday celebration, with no evidence that the donors received or expected official favors. The large amount alone would not establish plunder.
- Scenario B: Several contractors who later received government contracts each gave expensive gifts to the same public official. If evidence shows the gifts were given in exchange for favorable treatment, those gifts could be treated as bribes or kickbacks and potentially contribute to a plunder case if all statutory elements are met.
In other words, ₱50 million is a threshold, not proof. Reaching or exceeding that amount does not itself establish plunder; the prosecution must also prove that the wealth was ill-gotten through the unlawful means specified in the law.
KingSemreh
Eternal Poster
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The accused must be proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
Nakakaintindi kaba ng kaunti sa batas? Inbetigasyon ba tawag mo jan or direktang hatol?
The accused must be proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
oops may natamaan. si KingSemreh nag reply agad protektor ni marcoleta para depensahan eh HAHAHAHA!
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