this is an invalid argument since the writer should not have problem in using petras since wala nga itong equivalent sa aramaic, so wag mo palabasin na namomoblema ang writer kasi di naman talaga dapat gamitin ang feminine because kephas was always masculine from the start, so if the writer refers to the same rock he would have just used the kephas equivalent in greek which is petros, but the writer insisted to differentiate, it is the aramaic that is weak for lacking gender and not the greek, so since greek naman talaga ang language ng writer then he just made sure to differentiate the rocks mentioned by the character of JesusIs naming a man with a girl's name appropriate at that time? yun nga weakness ng greek, ganun lang kasimple yun
saang verse ba yan bossing, naka sulat din ba yan sa bible? pasenxa na atheist ako, just using logic lang talaga to argue, turo mo sakin saan banda yan at nang ma-analyze ko ang strucure ng pagka sulatassuming tama ka sir. nasaan na ang keys of the kingdom of heaven?
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”saang verse ba yan bossing, naka sulat din ba yan sa bible? pasenxa na atheist ako, just using logic lang talaga to argue, turo mo sakin saan banda yan at nang ma-analyze ko ang strucure ng pagka sulat
Hindi ko na sasabihin kung anong Religion.MATTHEW 16:18 (KJV)
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter (Petros), and upon this rock (petra) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Ano po ba religion nagsabi na si Peter nagtayo?
Correct me if i am wrong Jesus speaks here. When He says "I will be build my church..."
Who built it?
Answer-Jesus(since we believe in one God, no argument with God the Father building it).
The remaining topic na lang siguro is where is it built.
"...and upon this rock (petra) I will build my church"
-Jesus built the church on top of a rock.
-Petro being small stone, sa mga bahay ngayon maliliit lang din na bato nilalagay namin bago buhusan footing, ewan ko lang during their time.
Rock as a cornerstone po is different sa Rock as a foundation bed. So kung nabanggit na si Jesus ang cornerstone hindi po yun same sa rock na nasabi dyan sa Matthew 16:18.
Eto sariling pananaw ko na lang. Since nasa construction side ako, medyo hinanapan ko ng deeper meaning ang parable of the wise builder nasa Matthew din naman din yun. Dito sa lupa kay peter na muna iniwan ni Jesus ang simbahan tinayo nya para di mawala sa lokasyon (the house being carried away by flood, the word being misinterpreted).
Yes exactly.ako naman bossing iba rin interpretation ko diyan sa "petras" pero mag disclaimer muna ako na atheist ako at ang interpretation ko is based on logic lang sa pagkasulat ng book, if titingnan mo kasi yung mga katabing verses may sinabi si Peter diyan na "You are the Messaiah, the Son of the living God" so since Petra is bigger than Petros, the logic would be that Petras is something that is bigger than Peter, and since the articulation of Peter about the Diety of Christ precedes this debatable verse eh i think the Ultimate Truth that Peter just articulated is the one that is being referred to as the bigger rock because obviously the Truth (Diety of Christ) is definitely bigger than Peter as a Rock, so the church is built upon this Truth (referring to Peter's articulation of divinity of Christ)
Hindi Aramaic ang original na manuscript ng Gospel ng John, kundi Greek. Greek nila sinulat Kasi Greek ang mas well known nung time na Yun, kung baga sa panahon nation ay English ang mas common.Looking at it the root of it is the contrast of 2 greek words, petras and petros. Since dito naman makikita ang logic ng bigger rock compared to the stone . But we can go back directly to aramaic, yung mismong gamit nila on the time of Jesus.
Peter. Peter's name in aramaic is preserved and it is Kephas, which means rock so walang contrast. Naging Petros lang naman yan dahil di pwede gamitin petra sa lalaki nung natranslate aramaic papunta greek.
Tingin ko may play of word bakit yan pinalit sa pangalan nya.
Caiaphas-which also means rock, is the high priest of the old covenant. Dito naman inappoint na si Kephas para maglead sa church na itatayo ni Jesus.
so dito clear na yung keys is given to Peter, but the keys has nothing to do with the founding of the church bossing, and the fact na binigay lang sa kanya yung keys means Peter here became a steward of a church that was built upon something else, stewardship yan at yung binding and loosing tells about the responsibility of a steward to discipline the church na pinagkatiwala sa kanyaJesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
kaya nga bossing pinagkatiwala lang sa kanya yung church founded by God, malayong malayo ang steward sa pagiging foundation mismo, kasi logic says if ikaw na mismo ang foundation ba't ka pa bibigyan ng keys when the intergrity of anything that is built upon you depends on you na, impossible naman na walang direct access ang foundation ng building dun sa building mismo hehetapos sino po may stewardship ngayon?
wag mo na lang gawing technical bossing, since all of them has something to do with the foundation, at saka i don't think na yung Jesus mismo ang foundation since both God and Jesus speaks as one, so Jesus is still the founder din logically, mas incline ako na ang foundation ng church is the Truth (the divinity of Christ) that Peter articulated in the preceding verse and not the Christ himselfwala naman po nagsabing peter founded/ build the church kaya curious din ako anong religion yun? or meron dito misinformed?
baka po confused kayo sa foundation at foundation bed. cornerstone is considered as foundation. foundation bed is part of the site/earth pa po. so tama foundation si Jesus.
Peter is just an example bossing, so all who will become stewards of the church logically have received the keys as well, kasi nga papaano ka magiging steward if wala kang accesspero asan na ba yung stewardship/ the keys ngayon? nawala ba?
naging technical lang ako kasi akala ng marami isa lang ang rock sa pagtatayo ng building. sharing lang ng idea since most probably alam din ni Jesus construction terms and methodology since carpenter sya. and when you use construction methapor mas maiintindihan yan ng may undersanding sa same field. and yes Jesus is the founderwag mo na lang gawing technical bossing, since all of them has something to do with the foundation, at saka i don't think na yung Jesus mismo ang foundation since both God and Jesus speaks as one, so Jesus is still the founder din logically, mas incline ako na ang foundation ng church is the Truth (the divinity of Christ) and not the Christ himself
lahat ba ng church? dami kasi namin ePeter is just an example bossing, so all who will become stewards of the church logically have received the keys as well, kasi nga papaano ka magiging steward if wala kang access
So, saan Ngayon natayo ang Church?wala naman po nagsabing peter founded/ build the church kaya curious din ako anong religion yun? or meron dito misinformed?
baka po confused kayo sa foundation at foundation bed(technical terms po ito pero pwede naman magoogle agad). cornerstone is considered as foundation. foundation bed is part of the site/earth pa po. so tama foundation si Jesus.
pero asan na ba yung stewardship/ the keys ngayon? nawala ba?
saan ba yung extent ng authority ng bible bossing, any institution that submits itself under the bible's authority will obviously declare that they're compliant to it, so di importante dito ang specific names kasi di talaga tayo matatapos lalo na't it boils down to the question sino ba ang tamang religion at sino yung mali, let's use logic na lang that those who submit themselves are assumed to be within the extent of the book's authoritylahat ba ng church? dami kasi namin e
pwede ba makahingi specifics sir kailan ka magiging steward or considered as steward?Peter is just an example bossing, so all who will become stewards of the church logically have received the keys as well, kasi nga papaano ka magiging steward if wala kang access
yung part na bigayan ng keys bossing is telling about stewardshippwede ba makahingi specifics sir kailan ka magiging steward or considered as steward?
correct me if i am wrong kind sir. since example lang dyan si peter. so everyone who declares the the Ultimate Truth can have the keys?yung part na bigayan ng keys bossing is telling about stewardship
yung logic kasi niyan is that what happened to Peter (bigayan ng keys) tells about Peter's stewardship, so anyone who assumes the same role as Peter is assumed to be steward kasi apaka stupid naman para pabalik balik pa yung Jesus character para ulit ulitin pa yung eksena ng turnover jusko lerd, alam ko that you're trying to segregate kung anu ang tamang steward at yung fake steward, no you cannot segregate kasi ang lahat ng ito ay belief, every human has it's own belief and of course magkaiba yan from person to person, so gagamitin mo lang talaga is logic that anyone who assumes a role as a steward of a church is assumed to have receieved some keys like Peter didcorrect me if i am wrong kind sir. since example lang dyan si peter. so everyone who declares the the Ultimate Truth can have the keys?
na-mention ko na yan kanina that binding and loosing tells about the responsibility of the steward to discipline the church na pinag katiwala sa kanya, kumbaga the rules are loose for those who are obedient and binding to those who go against ithow about this part sir ano point of view mo? whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
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