🕯️ Traditions Praying to God knowing you are in the State of Mortal Sin?

[Valizian]

Does a sinful soul still have the right to Pray to God.

 

[xpeke12]

Yes, a sinful soul still has the right and opportunity to pray to God. Even when burdened by sin, individuals can still seek God's forgiveness and guidance through prayer. God is merciful and offers a path to restoration through repentance and seeking His grace.

Elaboration:

God's Mercy and Forgiveness:

God is described as loving and merciful, and He desires for all people to turn from sin and seek His forgiveness.

The Power of Prayer:

Prayer can be a powerful tool for seeking forgiveness, confessing sins, and asking for God's help in overcoming temptation.

Repentance and Confession:

Acknowledging and confessing sins, with a sincere desire to change, is a crucial step in seeking God's forgiveness.

Seeking God's Grace:

Prayer can be a means of asking God for the grace needed to resist sin and live a life that pleases Him.

God's Presence:

Even in times of sin, God's presence remains, offering a path to reconciliation and restoration.

 

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John 9:31

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Yes, a sinful soul still has the right and opportunity to pray to God. Even when burdened by sin, individuals can still seek God's forgiveness and guidance through prayer. God is merciful and offers a path to restoration through repentance and seeking His grace.

Elaboration:

God's Mercy and Forgiveness:

God is described as loving and merciful, and He desires for all people to turn from sin and seek His forgiveness.

The Power of Prayer:

Prayer can be a powerful tool for seeking forgiveness, confessing sins, and asking for God's help in overcoming temptation.

Repentance and Confession:

Acknowledging and confessing sins, with a sincere desire to change, is a crucial step in seeking God's forgiveness.

Seeking God's Grace:

Prayer can be a means of asking God for the grace needed to resist sin and live a life that pleases Him.

God's Presence:

Even in times of sin, God's presence remains, offering a path to reconciliation and restoration.

This is very inspiring. Pero ano pa ang point na tinawag itong Mortal sin?

 

[Valizian]

This is very inspiring. Pero ano pa ang point na tinawag itong Mortal sin?

Ang pagkakaalam ko po pag Mortal sin is you have a full knowledge of doing those sins, parang sinadya mo gawin ang kasalanan against God. Tas ang pagkakaalam ko meron ding venial sin, kasalanan siya na you don't have full consent like hindi mo sinaway ang kasalanan ng bata knowing na mali yun, addiction like alak kasi may psychological at physical aspect na icoconsider dun kung baga hindi na nagpa function ng maayos yung desisyon niya to do the right thing, Neglecting the poor or needy etc. pero sabi nga sa response ni xpeke12, Repentance yung mas importante sa God kasi katulad ko masyado akong nagaalala sa kasalanan ko na I doubt of praying to God so sa tingin ko kahit di ko alam ng kasalanan na pala yung ginagawa ko dapat ay lagi parin akong Ready to ask God for forgiveness.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Ang pagkakaalam ko po pag Mortal sin is you have a full knowledge of doing those sins, parang sinadya mo gawin ang kasalanan against God. Tas ang pagkakaalam ko meron ding venial sin, kasalanan siya na you don't have full consent like hindi mo sinaway ang kasalanan ng bata knowing na mali yun, addiction like alak kasi may psychological at physical aspect na icoconsider dun kung baga hindi na nagpa function ng maayos yung desisyon niya to do the right thing, Neglecting the poor or needy etc. pero sabi nga sa response ni xpeke12, Repentance yung mas importante sa God kasi katulad ko masyado akong nagaalala sa kasalanan ko na I doubt of praying to God so sa tingin ko kahit di ko alam ng kasalanan na pala yung ginagawa ko dapat ay lagi parin akong Ready to ask God for forgiveness.

Salamat sa explanation. What does not make sense to me is bakit kailangan ng distinction between mortal sin and venial sin when both can be repented?
Kahit naman sa secular law well understood yan, kaya consideration sa mga trials kung may remorse ba ung plaintiff sa kung ano sentence na ibibigay.

 

[Valizian]

Salamat sa explanation. What does not make sense to me is bakit kailangan ng distinction between mortal sin and venial sin when both can be repented?
Kahit naman sa secular law well understood yan, kaya consideration sa mga trials kung may remorse ba ung plaintiff sa kung ano sentence na ibibigay.

Yes thank you po for response. Ang ganda po ng idea about sentence sa Catholic Doctrine po ang Mortal Sin if not repented diretso ang tao sa Impyerno while Venial Sin po if not repented is pd pang ma Cleanse thru years of imprisonment sentence which is purification before entering Heaven. Kung baga Mortal sin is Death Sentence while Venial Sin is parang life sentence parang ganun. Pero tama ka po ang issue parin ay ang intentionality on how sincere the remorse.

Yung strong verses na related kung bakit nagkaroon ng distinction ay sa Mark 3:28-30, Jesus states that all sins and blasphemies will be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not and sa Matthew 12:31-32 "And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come". Pero gets ko magkakaiba talaga ng interpretation dian kahit ako di ko ma distinguish kung anong sin nagawa, kung venial or mortal basta alam ko lang kasalanan yun hehe.

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Venial sin? Naiintindihan ko ang mortal sin. Alam ng tao or alam na nga na mali o masama, ginawa pa rin pero ang sinasabi na venial sin, like unconciously or somewhat inosente tao pagkatapos, hindi niya alam na sin pala iyon - siyempre, free na siya from guilt feeling because clear ang conscience niya as in walang pumapasok na mali o masama or whatever is bakit nagcategorize pa ng venial sin from Catholic? Its like nilalagyan ng "guilt" ang tao para magka-sin, parang ganun. Eh dapat free from guilt na or free from sin pero para ang nakikita ko, naglalagay ang Catholic ng guilt sa bawat tao para lalo ma guilty at maisip na it is a sin.

Noon bata ako, first confession ko, tinatanong sa akin ng pare kung ano kasalanan ko at dahil inosente ako, bata eh, 8 years old pa naman, nanghuhula na lang ako dahil I am innocent, I don't feel any guilt at all. Hindi ko alam kung ano sin na iyon. Clear ang conscience ko at walang pumapasok sa isip ko kung ano iyon. Bata eh. As years go by, saka ko natutunan ang venial sin na ginawa ng tao na hindi niya alam na consider a sin based from Catholic. Nagtataka ako, innocently naman at not intention na ginawa because clear naman ang conscience, taka ako kasi bakit nagkacategorize pa ng venial sin na hindi alam ng tao na sin pala, pagkatapos epaparemind na iyon ang ginawa kasalanan or kakalungkatin pa kung ano mali o masama ginawa, its like Catholic ang naglalagay ng guilt sa tao para magkasala.

I mean, akin lang iyon. Pansin ko lang. As in.

May nagsabi nga, ang Abrahamic beliefs daw - there is a 'guilt' involve pero non-Abrahamic like example, ang concept ng Buddhism, pinapractice to meditate not to be judgemental and to get rid of guilt feeling - hindi lang Buddhism, sa ibang beliefs na hindi descendant ni Abraham. Taosim, hindi rin ganun. Balance ang concept ng Taoism kaya meron sila Yin and Yang, involve din ang meditation. Meron iba beliefs ba na they practice to get rid of guilt feeling, mga ganun pero sa Catholic, parang naglalagay pa sila ng "guilt" sa tao to feel guilty at magkasala. Venial sin diba, like not intention gawin o innocent ang tao, magkakasala pa rin according sa standard ng Catholic kung ano ang sin sa kanila.

Di nga. Its like I am doing my own business like example, I love doing watching TikTok, example - ganun. Sa Catholic, venial sin sa kanila iyon and then, epaparemind sa akin na sin ang ginagawa ko pang TitikTok - bale, hindi na ako free from a guilt. Na guilty na ako dahil epaparemind sa akin na mali at masama ang pagtitiktok ko. Example lang naman. Its like meron silang own lists kung ano mali at masama for them or kung ano ang sin sa kanila na huwag gawin ng tao mismo.

Ewan ko kung gets ng iba. Kahit sabihin na I don't feel a guilt or something if they suggest example na sin ang seks before marriage, but the person don't feel a guilt, since nasa listahan ng Catholic na mali at masama at consider sin ang seks before marriage, they will still consider that person na its a sin, example, sabihin natin, venial sin though that person is innocently na don't feel any guilt.

That means, Catholic ang naglalagay ng guilt para magkasala ang tao and ma push sila to confess, sila ba nagpamulat sa utak ng tao na its a sin to feel guilty ba, ganun.

As a result, ang tao magiging conscious na siya sa ipinaggagawa niya na kakalungkatin niya ang past niya instead na move on na siya, mga ganun ba? Kasi, from the past, ang tao ay they don't feel any guilt at all, e magbubuklatan uli lahat. So it means parang Catholic pa na naglalagay ng guilt sa tao para magka sin.

Observe ko lang.

Ngayon. Naiintindihan ko na. Naiintindihan ko na kung bakit busy ang karamihan mangalungkat sa past experiences ng iba, hahaha, pagkatapos magjajudge sila, sabay sasabihin, "Oh, I don't like you because you have experience na very bad for me" na po - diba? Ewan ko kung gets ng iba. Kasi, nakatingin sila sa sin ng tao from the past. Imbis, nakafocus lang dapat in the present moment, like forget the past, don't judge - mga ganun, hindi nila mabitawan. Any past ika nga ang itinutukoy ko.​

 

[C E S S]

My Biblical standpoint:

While it’s true na God is merciful, there's a clear distinction when it comes to willful sin.
In Hebrews 10:26-27, sinasabi doon na if someone continues to sin deliberately after knowing the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice left for their sins (only judgment remains.)
Hebrews 6:4-6 If a person has already experienced God's grace, yet turns away, it becomes impossible to restore them to repentance because they have rejected what they once fully embraced.
Sa 1 John 5:16 naman, speaks of a sin that leads to death, meaning there are sins so serious, especially those involving a hardened heart and total rejection of God, that prayer cannot change the outcome. Once someone reaches that point, even intercession won’t reverse the result.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

My Biblical standpoint:

While it’s true na God is merciful, there's a clear distinction when it comes to willful sin.
In Hebrews 10:26-27, sinasabi doon na if someone continues to sin deliberately after knowing the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice left for their sins (only judgment remains.)
Hebrews 6:4-6 If a person has already experienced God's grace, yet turns away, it becomes impossible to restore them to repentance because they have rejected what they once fully embraced.
Sa 1 John 5:16 naman, speaks of a sin that leads to death, meaning there are sins so serious, especially those involving a hardened heart and total rejection of God, that prayer cannot change the outcome. Once someone reaches that point, even intercession won’t reverse the result.

Hi C E S S . Tingin ko sa mga verses na yan, they are describing people who do not find the need to repent. It does not necessarily provide distinction between Mortal sin or venial sin.

Pero focus tayo sa verse ni John. Is it implying that prayer can change outcomes if you accept God?
Nasaan na ung "God's will be done"?
Ano ba tlga ang prayer? Does it work like a wish? Like an incantation? Or are you merely talking to God?

 

[C E S S]

Hi C E S S . Tingin ko sa mga verses na yan, they are describing people who do not find the need to repent. It does not necessarily provide distinction between Mortal sin or venial sin.

Pero focus tayo sa verse ni John. Is it implying that prayer can change outcomes if you accept God?
Nasaan na ung "God's will be done"?
Ano ba tlga ang prayer? Does it work like a wish? Like an incantation? Or are you merely talking to God?

Yes, but with a condition. 1 John 5:16 says:

'If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life.'

That implies prayer can bring restoration for someone who commits a sin that does not lead to death. Meaning, prayer is effective when the sin is not of the type that results in spiritual death, which we understand as full rejection of God.

But the same verse continues:

'There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that.'

So in that case, John draws a boundary. For sins that lead to death, prayer has no guaranteed effect.

Where is ‘God’s will be done’ in this?

Even when 1 John 5:16 says 'God will give them life,' it's in the context of His will.

Earlier in 1 John 5:14-15
'If we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.'

So yes, prayer works, it works within the scope of God’s will. When a sin is not unto death, we’re encouraged to pray because there’s hope for restoration. But when the sin is unto death, even prayer won’t override the person's hardened, unrepentant decision, and John himself says 'I do not say you should pray for that.'