🔒 Closed Mandatory ROTC sang ayon kaba? (RESPECT OTHER'S OPINION)

 

[Kage22]

You can't compare Russia with North Korea. NK only have nukes as their bargaining chip and they have very little to lose compared to Russia

But they're not desperate enough to start a nuclear armageddon. Nukes were there as deterrent for potential world war.

 

[Away From Keyboard]

But they're not desperate enough to start a nuclear armageddon. Nukes were there as deterrent for potential world war.

sana nga buddy, positive vibes lang.

 

[100NyanPower]

reservist don't really engage in anti-domestic insurgency, they are just "reservist". in war times, they will be enabled though, mobilized to the battlefield.

I think its more on readiness rather than making them lean mean killing machine.

Di rin ako pabor sa logic na magiging disiplinado mga bata sa ROTC, pero it will make them ready to serve our country.

masasabi ko ko lang, I will let these newer generation experience what there parents want them to do. Basta ako masasabi ko malaki naitulong sakin nang boyscout, CAT at ROTC.

We've been ready for war not that much time long ago and also the country is an archipelago we do not need to exceed in infantry numbers but increase efficiency in naval warfare

There's literally nothing to be gained in mandatory ROTC but just a breeding ground for businesses, gang and other ****ed up things that kids come up with. Our national defense force is STRUGGLING just to be on par with other SEA countries now were taking 2 steps back because the government thinks that having millions of "soon to be ready body bags" would fix the issue? kahit 10 million pa yang sundalo natin pero Enfield lang ang baril literal na meat grinder simulation lang mangyayari parang russian doctrine lang nung ww2

May Defense Treaty rin naman tayo sa US and also walang nakikitang advantage ang China sa pag invade sa pinas and they are more leaning on invading taiwan

If they really feel mandatory ROTC is needed so be it, tapos na ako diyan and i know almost walang silbi yan kung di mo naman gusto maging career soldier at labas sa kabilang tenga mga natutunan nila
No interest in forced subject = going bare minimum just to pass the subject and thats the end of that

Breeding ground for corruption tsk! mahirap aahon pinas nito puro pa atras ginagawa ng gobyerno

 

[amelia_euri]

Tama lang yan para mabawasan baklang kabataan ngayon

sir ravage may homophobic po rito sa phc

 

[Kage22]

Only a paranoid would think that a nuclear war is likely to happen.

 

[Miss Eya]

Naalala ko tuloy Yung ROTC Namin ng college ako. Abuser leader Namin lagi kaming kawawa at sobrang pinapahirapan kami piling nila sila god jusko

 

[Kage22]

Naalala ko tuloy Yung ROTC Namin ng college ako. Abuser leader Namin lagi kaming kawawa at sobrang pinapahirapan kami piling nila sila god jusko

Naranasan ko rin yan college. Some of theme use their position to get advantage of those beautiful cadets. I hope VP Sarah would look this issue and would severely punish those officers who might abuse thier position.

 

[Away From Keyboard]

We've been ready for war not that much time long ago and also the country is an archipelago we do not need to exceed in infantry numbers but increase efficiency in naval warfare

There's literally nothing to be gained in mandatory ROTC but just a breeding ground for businesses, gang and other ****ed up things that kids come up with. Our national defense force is STRUGGLING just to be on par with other SEA countries now were taking 2 steps back because the government thinks that having millions of "soon to be ready body bags" would fix the issue? kahit 10 million pa yang sundalo natin pero Enfield lang ang baril literal na meat grinder simulation lang mangyayari parang russian doctrine lang nung ww2

May Defense Treaty rin naman tayo sa US and also walang nakikitang advantage ang China sa pag invade sa pinas and they are more leaning on invading taiwan

If they really feel mandatory ROTC is needed so be it, tapos na ako diyan and i know almost walang silbi yan kung di mo naman gusto maging career soldier at labas sa kabilang tenga mga natutunan nila
No interest in forced subject = going bare minimum just to pass the subject and thats the end of that

Breeding ground for corruption tsk! mahirap aahon pinas nito puro pa atras ginagawa ng gobyerno

iba naman yung tinutukoy mo buddy, in war time mas kaylangan din natin nang mga land troops.. navy won't stand a chance if wala na silang ma puntahan na naval port kasi nasakup na nang mga kalaban..

nasa horizon phase 2 na tayo nang AFP modernization buddy, going for 3 na ata. so yung hina-ing mo buddy na solve na yan noon pa ni PNOY at PDUTS more frigates incoming.

My defense treaty nga tayo buddy, pero tayo parin talaga tutulong sa sarili nating bansa, US may support us but they will not die for our own country.

just like I said, ROTC doesnt make you a real soldier.. but it just a familiarisation of what is it being a soldier.. respecting your officers, ano-ano yung mga ranks at chain of commands.

for me opinion ko lang kung bakit nawala ROTC dati, dahil hindi sa corruption but yung pro-active propaganda nang mga leftist students dati, mga baseless accusation.. mga tao dati syempre nag agree, since dati we are still left leaning, di pa aware mga tao dati sa kababuyan nang mga terrorist reds.

 

[100NyanPower]

iba naman yung tinutukoy mo buddy, in war time mas kaylangan din natin nang mga land troops.. navy won't stand a chance if wala na silang ma puntahan na naval port kasi nasakup na nang mga kalaban..

Exactly buddy bat ba natin hahayaan lang ang navy natin to be as is at bakit mas naging importante pa ang budget for adding more familiarize troops which are just pang dagdag body bags sa pilipinas and almost everyone knew that in war times most able-bodied men are likely forced to be enlisted in the military whether they went through ROTC or not

nasa horizon phase 2 na tayo nang AFP modernization buddy, going for 3 na ata. so yung hina-ing mo buddy na solve na yan noon pa ni PNOY at PDUTS more frigates incoming.

We've been going through those for literally a decade and were just going through phase 3
imagine that?

My defense treaty nga tayo buddy, pero tayo parin talaga tutulong sa sarili nating bansa, US may support us but they will not die for our own country.

Vietnam begs to differ, I know they lost but it just shows how much US dislikes losing influence in the pacific region and they wouldn't let their biggest threat annex countries
a treaty is a treaty US would lose massive influence from other countries if they tried to dodge the mutual defense
Like how Russia ignored its promises when they agreed to offer Ukraine a defense agreement once Ukraine finished their nuclear disarmament now most countries in Europe now wants to Join NATO literally the least thing Russia wanted

just like I said, ROTC doesnt make you a real soldier.. but it just a familiarisation of what is it being a soldier.. respecting your officers, ano-ano yung mga ranks at chain of commands.

I know but let's recap what i've just said earlier, kung pinwersa mo ang bata sa isang bagay may matutunan ba yan? English tiklop mga kabataan, History tiklop mga kabataan, Values tiklop mga kabataan pano pa kaya if they've shown no interest in doing ROTC as far as i know is just a training ground for abusive shtheads dahil marami ganyang officer nakilala ko during my time

Familiarization okay fair enough that might help these folks during times of war. Efficiency? we might be lucky if half of them would remember those and its also free on google if anyone wants to learn it for familiarizing
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for me opinion ko lang kung bakit nawala ROTC dati, dahil hindi sa corruption but yung pro-active propaganda nang mga leftist students dati, mga baseless accusation.. mga tao dati syempre nag agree, since dati we are still left leaning, di pa aware mga tao dati sa kababuyan nang mga terrorist reds.

No idea what is this about and i dont have any say about this

 

[Away From Keyboard]

Exactly buddy bat ba natin hahayaan lang ang navy natin to be as is at bakit mas naging importante pa ang budget for adding more familiarize troops which are just pang dagdag body bags sa pilipinas and almost everyone knew that in war times most able-bodied men are likely forced to be enlisted in the military whether they went through ROTC or not

We've been going through those for literally a decade and were just going through phase 3
imagine that?

Vietnam begs to differ, I know they lost but it just shows how much US dislikes losing influence in the pacific region and they wouldn't let their biggest threat annex countries
a treaty is a treaty US would lose massive influence from other countries if they tried to dodge the mutual defense
Like how Russia ignored its promises when they agreed to offer Ukraine a defense agreement once Ukraine finished their nuclear disarmament now most countries in Europe now wants to Join NATO literally the least thing Russia wanted

I know but let's recap what i've just said earlier, kung pinwersa mo ang bata sa isang bagay may matutunan ba yan? English tiklop mga kabataan, History tiklop mga kabataan, Values tiklop mga kabataan pano pa kaya if they've shown no interest in doing ROTC as far as i know is just a training ground for abusive shtheads dahil marami ganyang officer nakilala ko during my time

Familiarization okay fair enough that might help these folks during times of war. Efficiency? we might be lucky if half of them would remember those and its also free on google if anyone wants to learn it for familiarizing
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No idea what is this about and i dont have any say about this

check mo horizon project buddy, decades talaga aabutin nyan since malaking budget kaylangan dyan.. nasagot na yung question mo buddy, bakit di pa na modernized yung navy natin... sa horizon project, nagkaroon na tayo nang frigates at iba pang barko specially yung mga navy speed boat at navy helicopters buddy! meron video nga buddy na niratrat nang navy helicopter yung speed boat nang abusayaf tapos binangga nang navy highspeed patrol boat, dati buddy ay tinatawanan lang nang abusayaf yung mga navy natin buddy.

isa pa sa mga patunay buddy, yung modernization natin.. dati kawawa pa mga sundalo natin sa Sulu, pero ngayun buddy mukhang magkakaroon na nang ongoing peace sa Sulu buddy. thanks sa mga new recon spy planes, new com gears, faster bigger troop transport, drones at newer airforce assets specially attack helis and turbo prop airplanes.

my paparating pa na mga new assets buddy, kagaya nang mga light tanks at new gen APC, attack helis at main fighter jets.

buddy yung sa vietnam, isa iyung enigma.. US wasnt supposed to be in vietnam, huli nalang nila na realise buddy.. kaya nga after vietnam ay nag iba na ang warfare, proxy wars na buddy or assymetric warfare.

masasabi ko lang buddy, lahat tayo dito ay nag guess work lang, wala talaga data na nag papatunay sa mga claims natin.. kaya masasabi ko nalang buddy, let parents decide, pwede naman sila mag reklamo sa gobierno kung ayaw niila. pwede din na optional lang, mas magandang idea din yan buddy.

 

[100NyanPower]

check mo horizon project buddy, decades talaga aabutin nyan since malaking budget kaylangan dyan.. nasagot na yung question mo buddy, bakit di pa na modernized yung navy natin... sa horizon project, nagkaroon na tayo nang frigates at iba pang barko specially yung mga navy speed boat at navy helicopters buddy! meron video nga buddy na niratrat nang navy helicopter yung speed boat nang abusayaf tapos binangga nang navy highspeed patrol boat, dati buddy ay tinatawanan lang nang abusayaf yung mga navy natin buddy.

isa pa sa mga patunay buddy, yung modernization natin.. dati kawawa pa mga sundalo natin sa Sulu, pero ngayun buddy mukhang magkakaroon na nang ongoing peace sa Sulu buddy. thanks sa mga new recon spy planes, new com gears, faster bigger troop transport, drones at newer airforce assets specially attack helis and turbo prop airplanes.

my paparating pa na mga new assets buddy, kagaya nang mga light tanks at new gen APC, attack helis at main fighter jets.

buddy yung sa vietnam, isa iyung enigma.. US wasnt supposed to be in vietnam, huli nalang nila na realise buddy.. kaya nga after vietnam ay nag iba na ang warfare, proxy wars na buddy or assymetric warfare.

masasabi ko lang buddy, lahat tayo dito ay nag guess work lang, wala talaga data na nag papatunay sa mga claims natin.. kaya masasabi ko nalang buddy, let parents decide, pwede naman sila mag reklamo sa gobierno kung ayaw niila. pwede din na optional lang, mas magandang idea din yan buddy.

Fair, my 2cents on this is that if they havent finished the modernization program in 27 years and ongoing they have no businesses in adding more budget problems for the sake of teaching the young about military coc and navigation, it helps but only if they just focus that budget on speeding up the phases and actually improve AFP and we wont be needing kids to fight for us

Philippine navy improving? good now lets not stop at that and actually improve it more by allocating more budget into it

The parents had no say if they wanted their child go through ROTC or not, they'd still be forced to go through it and lucky enough to finish it unscathed from abuses and i ****ing hope they wont make mil uniforms mandatory because that cost fortune for most of the Filipino families that barely makes a living and now forced to buy it.

Going through ROTC doesn't matter in a real war, a chinese private would sweep young conscripts that only knew about how mil coc works and what not and just add more problems for the actual Filipino soldiers

Project 100,000 is an actual proof that having more numbers doesn't necessarily mean good and PH have high rate in learning poverty, In an urban warfare setting untrained soldiers have no place in that type of warfare with the risk they carry

 

[Away From Keyboard]

Fair, my 2cents on this is that if they havent finished the modernization program in 27 years and ongoing they have no businesses in adding more budget problems for the sake of teaching the young about military coc and navigation, it helps but only if they just focus that budget on speeding up the phases and actually improve AFP and we wont be needing kids to fight for us

Philippine navy improving? good now lets not stop at that and actually improve it more by allocating more budget into it

The parents had no say if they wanted their child go through ROTC or not, they'd still be forced to go through it and lucky enough to finish it unscathed from abuses and i ****ing hope they wont make mil uniforms mandatory because that cost fortune for most of the Filipino families that barely makes a living and now forced to buy it.

Going through ROTC doesn't matter in a real war, a chinese private would sweep young conscripts that only knew about how mil coc works and what not and just add more problems for the actual Filipino soldiers

Project 100,000 is an actual proof that having more numbers doesn't necessarily mean good and PH have high rate in learning poverty, In an urban warfare setting untrained soldiers have no place in that type of warfare with the risk they carry

tama ka bud, sa tingin ko dapat talaga unahin muna nila yung utang natin. so far, hindi pa naman natin kaylangan ROTC.

kung meron man ROTC bud, mas maganda gamitin sila sa disaster response sa pag mobilized nang mga goods and other jobs na hindi gaanong delekado in times of calamity. mas mapabilis at mapapa ga-an yung pag tulong natin bud.

magandang angle din yung bud, ROTC is for nation building. kagaya nang mga NGO like gawad kalinga.

 

[100NyanPower]

tama ka bud, sa tingin ko dapat talaga unahin muna nila yung utang natin. so far, hindi pa naman natin kaylangan ROTC.

kung meron man ROTC bud, mas maganda gamitin sila sa disaster response sa pag mobilized nang mga goods and other jobs na hindi gaanong delekado in times of calamity. mas mapabilis at mapapa ga-an yung pag tulong natin bud.

magandang angle din yung bud, ROTC is for nation building. kagaya nang mga NGO like gawad kalinga.

Exactly, but we have already called NSTP-CWTS for disaster response (aside from the tree planting ofcourse) and actually a pretty good alternative subject for mandatory instead of ROTC
I borrowed some learning modules from my friends when they were taking it and the amount of medical knowledge you can gain from it is invaluable and could actually be helpful in times of war when medical assistance is very essential

 

[Away From Keyboard]

Exactly, but we have already called NSTP-CWTS for disaster response (aside from the tree planting ofcourse) and actually a pretty good alternative subject for mandatory instead of ROTC
I borrowed some learning modules from my friends when they were taking it and the amount of medical knowledge you can gain from it is invaluable and could actually be helpful in times of war when medical assistance is very essential

mas maganda semi-military for me. NSTP pwede rin, basta yung hahawak sa kanila either NDRRMO or any equivalent.

 

[M30W]

But they're not desperate enough to start a nuclear armageddon. Nukes were there as deterrent for potential world war.

Pyongpyang would never use nukes if war broke out between them and the south Korea.

 Without nukes, NK is definitely weaker than SK. They will lose 100% if they don't use nukes.. Kung ikaw si Kim at natatalo ka na sa giyera between SK and NK, sure ka di ka gagamit ng nukes?

Only a paranoid would think that a nuclear war is likely to happen.

But they wil never resort of using nuclear weapons. You're just imagining my friend.

Sanaol kasing galing mo manghula
Ilang beses ka na ba nanalo sa lotto?

 

[Kage22]

 Without nukes, NK is definitely weaker than SK. They will lose 100% if they don't use nukes.. Kung ikaw si Kim at natatalo ka na sa giyera between SK and NK, sure ka di ka gagamit ng nukes?

If Kim is willing to use nuke on Soko, then they had done it long ago. They may look weak but they would not done such thing.

Sanaol kasing galing mo manghula
Ilang beses ka na ba nanalo sa lotto?

Kasi matagal na sana nagka nuclear armageddon kung pareho sila sayo mag isip. Ilang dystopian movies na ba napanuod nyo?

 

[Away From Keyboard]

Kasi matagal na sana nagka nuclear armageddon kung pareho sila sayo mag isip. Ilang dystopian movies na ba napanuod nyo?

matindi din ang tension noon, isipin mo kaka tapos lang nang world war 2 dati... kaya nga na dissolve dati ang USSR dahil sa efforts nang mga leaders natin fearing that a nuclear holoucaust may happen. But it wasnt over yet, dahil ke Putin.

Nuclear de-escalation happened because muntikan na talaga sila mag putukan.

 

[M30W]

If Kim is willing to use nuke on Soko, then they had done it long ago. They may look weak but they would not done such thing.

Obviously, nukes are for last resort. Kung tingin mo di gagamit ng nukes ang NK, edi sana sinugod na ng US or SK ang NK.

Kasi matagal na sana nagka nuclear armageddon kung pareho sila sayo mag isip. Ilang dystopian movies na ba napanuod nyo?

Ikaw, san nabagok ulo mo at ganyan ka magisip?
Kung totoo nga sinasabi mo, edi sana wala kang maririnig na mga nagamok at nakapatay.
Most humans act civilized but behave differently when pushed into the corner.
One example here is yung Manila hostage crisis.
Nung una nakikicooperate pa yung hijacker. Chill chill lang. Panakot lang yung baril at gusto lang makabalik sya sa pwesto. Pero ano naging ending? Ginamit ba yung baril o hindi?

Sana pinaprint mo

Lol. Nabaliw na. Kung. Ano ano na lang sinasabi

Sila ang nagpapatunay na walang kwenta ang pinaggagawa nilang martcha sa arawan HAHAHAHA

Halos lahat ng bansa part yan ng basic military training. Feeling mo mas magaling ka sa kanila? Ilang giyera na ba naipanalo ng army na pinamumunuan mo?

 

[Kage22]

matindi din ang tension noon, isipin mo kaka tapos lang nang world war 2 dati... kaya nga na dissolve dati ang USSR dahil sa efforts nang mga leaders natin fearing that a nuclear holoucaust may happen. But it wasnt over yet, dahil ke Putin.

Nuclear de-escalation happened because muntikan na talaga sila mag putukan.

Kaya na dissolve ang USSR dahil hindi na kontento ang tao nila at tanggap na ng USSR government na ayaw na ng mga tao kanila. Ang layo ng chance na magkakaroon ng nuclear war. Ipipilit nyo pa talaga

Obviously, nukes are for last resort. Kung tingin mo di gagamit ng nukes ang NK, edi sana sinugod na ng US or SK ang NK.

Alam ng US na meron nukes ang NoKor. Ang reckless naman ng US para lusubin ang isang nuclear capable na bansa. Malamang hindi nila gagawin yan. If magkaka-digmaan man sila, siguro mga proxy war lang not a direct conflict kasi pareho sila umiiwas baka mauwi sa nuclear exchange. Kaya nga effective ang nuclear weapons as a deterrent of potetial world war. Sige pilit pa

Ikaw, san nabagok ulo mo at ganyan ka magisip?
Kung totoo nga sinasabi mo, edi sana wala kang maririnig na mga nagamok at nakapatay.
Most humans act civilized but behave differently when pushed into the corner.
One example here is yung Manila hostage crisis.
Nung una nakikicooperate pa yung hijacker. Chill chill lang. Panakot lang yung baril at gusto lang makabalik sya sa pwesto. Pero ano naging ending? Ginamit ba yung baril o hindi?

Ang layo ng analogy Lol hindi naman basta basta lulusob ang isang bansa na nuclear capable against a nuclear capable na bansa even if magkakaroon pa sila ng digmaan di yan gagamit ng nukes dahil takot sila pareho sa consequences. Nasobrahan ka lang sa kapapanuod ng dystopian movies. Sige ipilit mo pa

 

[M30W]

Alam ng US na meron nukes ang SoKor. Ang reckless naman ng US para lusubin ang isang nuclear capable na bansa. Malamang hindi nila gagawin yan. If magkaka-digmaan man sila, siguro mga proxy war lang not a direct conflict kasi pareho sila umiiwas baka mauwi sa nuclear exchange. Kaya nga effective ang nuclear weapons as a deterrent of potetial world war. Sige pilit pa

Ang layo ng analogy Lol hindi naman basta basta lulusob ang isang bansa na nuclear capable against a nuclear capable na bansa

Oh talaga? Eh sinugod nga ng US yung IRAQ eh. Nung time na yon sabi nila may Weapon of Mass Destruction ang Iraq. Bakit sinugod nila? Patawa ka yata eh.

even if magkakaroon pa sila ng digmaan di yan gagamit ng nukes dahil takot sila pareho sa consequences. Nasobrahan ka lang sa kapapanuod ng dystopian movies. Sige ipilit mo

Sang planeta ka ba nakatira? Wala ka bang alam sa pagiging tao? Di ka pa nakakita ng taong kumapit sa patalim kapag nagipit? Lol kung Ikaw si Kim at matatalo ka na sa pag atake ng US-SK, parating na mga sundalo ng US at SK para patayin ka, sure ka di ka gagamit ng nukes at chemical weapons?