🕯️ Traditions Can lucifer's actions be justified

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Why tempt your creations when you (the god) know that they are flawed. You (the god) then later on punished them for not being perfect? I can't count on my 10 fingers how many times the god punished humanity for a) not being perfect, or; b) not (politically) aligned to you by even genocide. That sounds a "merciful" god to me.

God created lucifer. The highest angel of God before his fall. Nung nag fall siya satan na siya. He fell because of his selfish ambision to be God.
If God was not merciful dapat wipeout na niya kagad si satan with his one third of angels na nag fall.
Analogy ko lang eto ah. I think the garden of eden was the last chance of satan to repent of his ways. Adam is a Son of God because God created him out of his image. Pero nung nag fall siya nawala na internal life natin. The only way for us to have eternal life is thru Jesus.
If you will read book of Job. Meron pang other beings na hindi nag fall and they are called sons of God
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Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
His Love was based on obedience to the father. Satan attack us thru our emotions.
God saves only the people who loves him.
John14:15 if you love me keep my commandments
 
In short, zero will pass the "test".

baka nga walang pumasa ahaha. marami kasing pagsabihin ang (perfect) ung susunod sa mga rules dun sa new testament and 10 commandments feeling ko doable naman pero mahirap sya sa mahirap pero doable kase, ang pinag uusapan dito ay kung pwede mo i-execute o hindi. ang chance ng sucess rate nasa tao lang.
 
Why tempt your creations when you (the god) know that they are flawed. You (the god) then later on punished them for not being perfect? I can't count on my 10 fingers how many times the god punished humanity for a) not being perfect, or; b) not (politically) aligned to you by even genocide. That sounds a "merciful" god to me.

God created lucifer. The highest angel of God before his fall. Nung nag fall siya satan na siya. He fell because of his selfish ambision to be God.
If God was not merciful dapat wipeout na niya kagad si satan with his one third of angels na nag fall.
Analogy ko lang eto ah. I think the garden of eden was the last chance of satan to repent of his ways. Adam is a Son of God because God created him out of his image. Pero nung nag fall siya nawala na internal life natin. The only way for us to have eternal life is thru Jesus.
If you will read book of Job. Meron pang other beings na hindi nag fall and they are called sons of God
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Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
His Love was based on obedience to the father. Satan attack us thru our emotions.
God saves only the people who loves him.
John14:15 if you love me keep my commandments
 
God created lucifer. The highest angel of God before his fall. Nung nag fall siya satan na siya. He fell because of his selfish ambision to be God.
If God was not merciful dapat wipeout na niya kagad si satan with his one third of angels na nag fall.
Analogy ko lang eto ah. I think the garden of eden was the last chance of satan to repent of his ways. Adam is a Son of God because God created him out of his image. Pero nung nag fall siya nawala na internal life natin. The only way for us to have eternal life is thru Jesus.
If you will read book of Job. Meron pang other beings na hindi nag fall and they are called sons of God
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Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
His Love was based on obedience to the father. Satan attack us thru our emotions.
God saves only the people who loves him.
John14:15 if you love me keep my commandments

What a load of bollocks!
Is that a) conjecture; b) you're able to peek into the past and you're just telling us what you had witnessed; c) you are certain that that is what's gonna happen into the future?
 
What a load of bollocks!
Is that a) conjecture; b) you're able to peek into the past and you're just telling us what you had witnessed; c) you are certain that that is what's gonna happen into the future?

a. the statement i made that satan last chance to repent was in the garden of Eden yun ang opinion ko and that satan attacks our emotions.
b. read Revelation 12 whole verse and Isiah 14 whole verse too. this is about the fall of Lucifer the highest angel of God. and the war that happened in Heaven. Everything is in the BIBLE
c. if you want to know the future read Revelation. in the Future there will be SEAL OF GOD or MARK OF THE BEAST. before Jesus will come we will have a choice. its either we will Repent and truest Jesus or we will have the mark of the beast
 
How certain are you that your bible is THE ONE? How about the qu'ran, torah, sruti & smiriti, the tripitaka?

Actually, what makes you so sure that your bible is the one is simply because you were born into it and were raised by a family who believes in it. If you were raised in Afghanistan, or Saudi Arabia, chances are that you might be one of those who wield arms or perhaps straps that shit on your body and bl*w things up.

Faith and belief can be relative (where you born, who raised you) and can be very subjective (driven by enculturation).

Now, to state that your BOOK is the THE ONE is an ultimate display of arrogance for a mortal who can't even tell what's gonna happen in the next minute.
 
How certain are you that your bible is THE ONE? How about the qu'ran, torah, sruti & smiriti, the tripitaka?

Actually, what makes you so sure that your bible is the one is simply because you were born into it and were raised by a family who believes in it. If you were raised in Afghanistan, or Saudi Arabia, chances are that you might be one of those who wield arms or perhaps straps that shit on your body and bl*w things up.

Faith and belief can be relative (where you born, who raised you) and can be very subjective (driven by enculturation).

Now, to state that your BOOK is the THE ONE is an ultimate display of arrogance for a mortal who can't even tell what's gonna happen in the next minute.

Yes Faith is relative but it is not permanent because some people change their religion.Yes your right quran. It mentions Jesus as a prophet. Torah. They have the book of Isiah that Give hints of a born savior. God is will reveal everything in every persons lifetime thru experiences. A God tohuman relationship is a personal one it is not based on religion.Abraham didnt have a bible. And there was still no Jewish religion during his days. It was during Jacob who was renamed Israel.

I think in every religion their is this Judgement day right? Well i will believe something that is evident based. The bible is the only book which mentions of a risen Savoir who died for our sins. Other books just teaches laws on how to live with one another peacefully and all.

The one who post here is a Christian. We respect your religion so respect ours Too. Were not here to fight but to love one another.
 
Your post does not contain substance and is pure BS, to be honest.

I just replied to the post of sir SALT. We are entitled to our own opinion. My belief is based on evidence. Scholars verified the Bible stories and its accuracy. Its our choice to believe them or not. But we should respect one another. If it didnt contain substance why did you ask three questions? You should have just ignored my post or something.

"'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. ACTS 2:17

It is possible in the future that there will be people in the future who will see visions to warn us of future events that may arise.
You like simpsons right? Search mo sa youtube yung author ng simpson my mga episodes siya na nangyari 10 yrs before it happened. Like donald trump being the president. God bless bro whoever or whatever your religion is. Medyo of topic na tayo. Peace be with you. Maaring no substance eto sayo pero some readers might find this post interesting especially pag supported by scriptures
 
Hanggat may lahi ang tao hindi pa tapos ang laban mararating din ng biblia ang kasuluksulukang parte ng mundong ito hanggang sa mga bansa na ipinagbabawal ito.kung anoman ang kinagisnan nilang riligion bahala sila kung tatanggapin nila ang biblia o hindi.ang hula ay ipangangaral ang evanghelio sa buong sanlibutan.

Mat.24:14 At ipangangaral ang evangeliong ito ng kaharian sa buong sanglibutan sa pagpapatotoo sa lahat ng mga bansa; at kung magkagayo'y darating ang wakas.
 
Hanggat may lahi ang tao hindi pa tapos ang laban mararating din ng biblia ang kasuluksulukang parte ng mundong ito hanggang sa mga bansa na ipinagbabawal ito.kung anoman ang kinagisnan nilang riligion bahala sila kung tatanggapin nila ang biblia o hindi.ang hula ay ipangangaral ang evanghelio sa buong sanlibutan.

Mat.24:14 At ipangangaral ang evangeliong ito ng kaharian sa buong sanglibutan sa pagpapatotoo sa lahat ng mga bansa; at kung magkagayo'y darating ang wakas.

Kung igigiit mo yung bibliya mo sa mga lugar at tao na may ibang paniniwala, at ganun din ang gagawin ng iba na igiit din ang sa kanila. That is exactly what is going on right now. Believers of one faith insist that theirs is THE ONE to the point that they are ready to die and kill for it. And the others do the same. So what's next? You exterminate the non-believers. Kaya yung mga paniniwala mo na yan ang isang malaking dahilan kumbakit may kaguluhan sa mundo. You know what, if we don't have any religions at all, that is one less thing people will fight over. Perhaps the world will be a little better without that junk.
 
Kung di ginawa yun ni satanas siguro andito parin tayo ngayon nakahubad walang pinagbago sa nakaraan at lagi sunod sunuran sa diyos na parang puppet lang na walang kamulatan at kaalaman
lol nope hindi tayo magiging parang puppet na gawa ng tao na walang kaunlaran o magiging android na gawa ng tao na sunod sunuran binigyan tayo ng free will and sooner or later susuwayin natin ang DIYOS if ever meron mag tukso satin na kahit hindi yun si satanas ngayon meron parin tayong free will and it sucks knowing good and evil patayan dito patayan dun walang hanggang kahirapan and we might know what's good and evil but we do not know what is the right and the wrong thing do
 
bat ngayon may tao pang di alam kung ano ang tama at mali? may mga taong mangmang pa at di nila alam kung sinong totoong Dyos na sasambahin.

ginamit ni satan yong salitang yon dahil sinabi rin ng Dyos kung anung klaseng puno yong di nila dapat kainin, sa madalit salita, sinamantala ni satan yong word na yon para linlangin ang tao.. at karugtong na sinabi nya " di kayo mamamatay" na opposite na sinabi ng Dyos na sa araw na kayo ay kumain ng puno yon "kayo ay mamamatay"
ang sabi dun good and evil not right and wrong

so we know what is good and what is evil but don't know what is right and wrong unless christ is in us and we are in him unless the holy spirit is guiding us :)
 
In short, zero will pass the "test".
it says few not zero
baka nga walang pumasa ahaha. marami kasing pagsabihin ang (perfect) ung susunod sa mga rules dun sa new testament and 10 commandments feeling ko doable naman pero mahirap sya sa mahirap pero doable kase, ang pinag uusapan dito ay kung pwede mo i-execute o hindi. ang chance ng sucess rate nasa tao lang.
ang nakalagay po sa salita ng DIYOS ay konte hindi 0 so ano po ba ang mas totoo at paniniwalaan natin ang hinala o ang salita ng DIYOS? is it yung nakikita natin yung paniniwalaan natin o yung hindi natin nakikita?

kasi ako rin hirap din ako feel ko rin perfect na tao yung pipiliin but walang perfect na tao so walang maliligtas? but the fact na sabi ng DIYOS ay konte so means konte ang maliligtas yun ang totoo hindi yung nakikita ko also don't know if i can be one of those

Kung igigiit mo yung bibliya mo sa mga lugar at tao na may ibang paniniwala, at ganun din ang gagawin ng iba na igiit din ang sa kanila. That is exactly what is going on right now. Believers of one faith insist that theirs is THE ONE to the point that they are ready to die and kill for it. And the others do the same. So what's next? You exterminate the non-believers. Kaya yung mga paniniwala mo na yan ang isang malaking dahilan kumbakit may kaguluhan sa mundo. You know what, if we don't have any religions at all, that is one less thing people will fight over. Perhaps the world will be a little better without that junk.
yup yan po ang nangyayare sa mundo ngayon at nuon the old catholics killed tons of non-believers extremists killed tons of christians and even now in this sort of topic and i believe walang katapusan ito not until the end so masanay na po tayo hindi na po tayo magbabago ganyan din po ginagawa mo now diba? pinipilit mo opinion mo sa iba at ako rin so masanay na po tayo let's just follow yung rules sa phc since nasa phc tayo :) hindi tayo naiiba sa kanila parepareho lang tayo
 
Homer simpson. If you want a country without religion. Shempre mawawala rin moral law dun so in the end kaos yun. Exampke pag gutom ka nakakita ka pagkain nature ng tao kunin ang food n yun for survival diba? Imagine the days of Noah. Only the family of Noah was saved because the are the only one obedient to the Lord's will. People was so wicked durinf that times God needs to cleanse the Earth.
 
Kung igigiit mo yung bibliya mo sa mga lugar at tao na may ibang paniniwala, at ganun din ang gagawin ng iba na igiit din ang sa kanila. That is exactly what is going on right now. Believers of one faith insist that theirs is THE ONE to the point that they are ready to die and kill for it. And the others do the same. So what's next? You exterminate the non-believers. Kaya yung mga paniniwala mo na yan ang isang malaking dahilan kumbakit may kaguluhan sa mundo. You know what, if we don't have any religions at all, that is one less thing people will fight over. Perhaps the world will be a little better without that junk.

Alam nyo ba saan galing ang gulo?nagsimula yan noong umalis ang isang nilalang sa dapat nyang kalagyan.bawat nilikha may dahilan ang kanyang pagiral.kung nagbabasa kayo ng biblia noong likhain ng Dios ang lahat sabi nya "narito napakabuti" ngayon saan galing ying junk na binabanggit nyo...galing yon sa isang nilikha na umalis sa dapat nyang kalagyan naghangad na makipantay sa lumikha sa kanya.yong junk galing sa pusong mapagmataas,sa puso ni satanas.tandaan nyo po noong likhain ang lahat "NAPAKABUTI"in superlative degree kaya kung ganito ang mundo wag po natin isisi sa Dios patunay lang na hindi tayo ginawang robot malaya tayong gawin kung ano ang maibigan natin...sinabi na nga BAWAL PUMATAY.ano ang ginagawa di ba nakikita nyo may PUMAPATAY?ang may karapatan lang kumitil ng buhay ay pinanggalingan ng buhay.may gulo talaga pag ang kaisipan natin kagaya noong nilikha na nagmataas sa lumikha.
 
Homer simpson. If you want a country without religion. Shempre mawawala rin moral law dun so in the end kaos yun. Exampke pag gutom ka nakakita ka pagkain nature ng tao kunin ang food n yun for survival diba? Imagine the days of Noah. Only the family of Noah was saved because the are the only one obedient to the Lord's will. People was so wicked durinf that times God needs to cleanse the Earth.

You are grossly underestimating your will to survive. In an apocalyptic situation, a good man can do things he won't do if not forced to. Just read what people had done just to survive during World War 2. Don't tell me that because you are religious, you won't do the things they did. A man will do everything just to: a) get rid of the pain; b) to survive.

Ang problema sa reasoning mo, you are equating religiousness to morality of a society. Look at this

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you will notice that the most religious places are the most chaotic. Being religious (or not) has no bearing at all for being religious. Look at both christians and muslims, they are both religious and a huge portion of their followers are willing to kill and die for their belief.

Look at the Philippines, it is one of the most religious countries in the world. Nasan na bansan natin? Can you see any indications that it is being looked after by your god?

Salamat at binanggit mo yang fallacy na yang about sa idol mong is noah. Don't you think that drowning millions of people and other forms of life does not amount to genocide, ie mass-killing. Wag mong sabihin sakin na yung tropa o pamilya lang ni noah mo ang matuwid kaya sila lang ang naligtas. Paano yung mga bata, say under year old na nalunod? Makasalanan naba sila? Paano yung ibang taon na nasa ibang panig ng mundo like Asia at Africa na hindi naka-dinig sa "memo" ng god mo dahil ang events sa bibliya ay nangyari sa middle-east such as israel and yet those people were drowned too without knowing the exact reasons why.

No matter how you sugar coat it, the bible is nothing but a collection of genocidal acts of your god.

The religion can be blinding. It makes people devoid of reasons.
 
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