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Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
sorry ito last reply ko. wala kang sense kausap troll ka ata eh.sasagutin mo lang tanong ko, kung ano ano pa sinasabi mo. kung nasa korte ka guilty ka na agad. ang taong sarado ang utak hanggang dun na lang ang kanyang ikalalagyan. ako agnostic ako kaya nasa gitna lagi ako ang sakin lang ayoko ng organize religion pero gusto ko ung teachings ng bible at mga parts ng teachings ng buddhism pero may doubt parin ako kung totoo ba ang diyos o hindi pero di sarado utak ko kagaya ng athiesta kung yung intensyon mo ay para may sumali sa paniniwala mo at ibahin ang pananaw ng tao sa atheistmo di mo ako na paniwala at lalo pa akong nagduda dahil binabaluktot mo ung mga sinasabi ko.wala ka na ngang matinong rebuttal di mo pa sinasagot ung simpleng tanong ko. isang beses ka lang mag sinungaling wala na maniniwala sa paniniwala mo period at nahuli ka na nag sisinungaling.



ikaw nag post nyan wag mo itapon sakin mga sinabi mo. halata ka na.


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is Zeus immortal? -yes as long people worship him.
makes miracles? -yes lighting and natural disasters
creator of universe? -son of Cronus who is son of Gaea creator of earth -related
is Zeus a god? -yes due to relation with the creator (accurately not god but son of a god that is a son of the a goddess that created of world)

tapos mag highlight ka pa hahatiin mo pa sinasabi ko.


gusto mo lang hijackin ung word na god.

ang athiesta ay athiesta di naniniwala sa diyos period. wag mo baguhin.
kung gusto mo, gumawa ka ng ibang salita na the god claim deniers but believes a pencil is a god group.

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Etymology of the Name God



Oddly, the exact origin of the word God is unknown.

All that we know for certain is that the word God is a relatively new European invention, which was never used in any of the ancient Judaeo-Christian scripture manuscripts which were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek or Latin.

This situation is quite remarkable, since there is a long history of people arguing and fighting over the name of God, yet we don't even know where this European-invented word God came from!

Amusingly, none of the prophets, sages and disciples who wrote down the various books of the Bible would recognize or understand this recently invented word God. Yet people fight over it!

The following is a brief survey of some of the efforts of linguists who have been trying to decipher the roots of the word God:



Webster's 1913 Dictionary:

\God\ (g[o^]d), n. [AS. god; akin to OS. & D. god, OHG. got, G. gott, Icel. gu[eth], go[eth], Sw. & Dan. gud, Goth. gup, prob. orig. a p. p. from a root appearing in Skr. h[=u], p. p. h[=u]ta, to call upon, invoke, implore. [root]30. Cf. {Goodbye}, {Gospel}, {Gossip}.]

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Catholic Encyclopedia:


Etymology of the Word "God"

(Anglo-Saxon God; German Gott; akin to Persian khoda ...).

God can variously be defined as:

  • the proper name of the one Supreme and Infinite Personal Being, the Creator and Ruler of the universe, to whom man owes obedience and worship;
  • the common or generic name of the several supposed beings to whom, in polytheistic religions, Divine attributes are ascribed and Divine worship rendered;
  • the name sometimes applied to an idol as the image or dwelling-place of a god. --->"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image" (Ten Commandments) (Catholic Encyclopedia:)
The root-meaning of the name (from Gothic root gheu; Sanskrit hub or emu, "to invoke or to sacrifice to") is either "the one invoked" or "the one sacrificed to." From different Indo-Germanic roots (div, "to shine" or "give light"; thes in thessasthai "to implore") come the Indo-Iranian deva, Sanskrit dyaus (gen. divas), Latin deus, Greek theos, Irish and Gaelic dia, all of which are generic names; also Greek Zeus (gen. Dios, Latin Jupiter (jovpater), Old Teutonic Tiu or Tiw (surviving in Tuesday), Latin Janus, Diana, and other proper names of pagan deities. The common name most widely used in Semitic occurs as 'el in Hebrew, 'ilu in Babylonian, 'ilah in Arabic, etc.; and though scholars are not agreed on the point, the root-meaning most probably is "the strong or mighty one."

the word "God" was Invented because they don't know the real name of GOD. ayun yun.

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sure, I dont need to prove anything, lahat po ay nasa thread na ang last post ko ay from the previous conversations.

FYI you twisted the word god to point it to your religion when you added your own definition to it, your post was in the thread when your bragging about your "math".

a god is a god regardless if its fiction, non-fiction or myth, also I didn't left out anything like what you did on the definition of god in the dictionary where you deliberately left out other description.

Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
the word "God" was Invented because they don't know the real name of GOD
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Zues is a god and he has a name. greek mythology existed before christianity. technically speaking your definition of god only applies to your religious belief. you just added another definition of god.

if you do a research don't just do it in and around your religion its biased, and don't forget about the timeline, supreme beings are worshiped way back before Christianity and the word god is associated with them.

if you want to call me a lier you can do that, I would suggest not to because it might backfire to you when the readers actually take time to read the conversation, It's your call though good luck.
 

JackFrost10 said:
sure, I dont need to prove anything, lahat po ay nasa thread na ang last post ko ay from the previous conversations.
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you haven't put any strong argument why the word god is subjective you just said in short it's because it has multiple meanings which you said that can be change since the word god is subjective but not other words, ohhoho no, just exclusively the word god because reasons.


cherry picking at it's finest.

JackFrost10 said:
"zues is a god and he has a name. greek mythology existed before christianity. technically speaking your definition of god only applies to your religious belief. you just added another definition of god."
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All that we know for certain is that the word God is a relatively new European invention, which was never used in any of the ancient Judaeo-Christian scripture manuscripts which were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek or Latin.

the word god never was a Greek word. there is no existing word "God" in Greek.

di ka ata na kakaintindi o di ka lang nag babasa.

European word un tapos sasabihin mo dahil mas luma ung greek mythology? ano yun kung gusto mo na lang ayun na? parang ung tagalog word na bathala maging greek word? aba, parang di ata tama un ha. ikaw na lang masusunod kung saan ng galing ang isang word or meaning ng isang word grabe.

ano ibang meaning ng diyos sa tagalog?
 
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you haven't put any strong argument why the word god is subjective you just said in short it's because it has multiple meanings which you said that can be change since the word god is subjective but not other words, ohhoho no, just exclusively the word god because reasons.


cherry picking at it's finest.



All that we know for certain is that the word God is a relatively new European invention, which was never used in any of the ancient Judaeo-Christian scripture manuscripts which were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek or Latin.

the word god never was a Greek word. there is no existing word "God" in Greek.

di ka ata na kakaintindi o di ka lang nag babasa.

European word un tapos sasabihin mo dahil mas luma ung greek mythology? ano yun kung gusto mo na lang ayun na? parang ung tagalog word na bathala maging greek word? aba, parang di ata tama un ha. ikaw na lang masusunod kung saan ng galing ang isang word or meaning ng isang word grabe.

ano ibang meaning ng diyos sa tagalog?
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actually the word god is subjective because of you, you subjectively created your own definition of god.

the word god was not invented before the greek gods but the meaning of the word god can be associated with the greek gods, if you read my reply carefully I actually explained it.

you where the subject of my argument yet you haven't realize it because you only read what you want to read, like defining the word god for what you want it to be rather than what it is and that is subjective.

I cant make a conclusion if the word god is subjective because my sample size is small. please read the post carefully and if you don't understand something don't be shy to ask.

Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
you haven't put any strong argument why the word god is subjective you just said in short it's because it has multiple meanings which you said that can be change since the word god is subjective but not other words, ohhoho no, just exclusively the word god because reasons.


cherry picking at it's finest.
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not all swans are black.
 
Does God Really Exist?

The current understanding by scientists and astronomers is that our physical Universe did not exist until some 13.7 billion years ago, when somehow an infinitely dense, infinitely small point called a singularity suddenly materialized and exploded into the present universe. They have ended up calling this the 'Big Bang' Theory.

What is interesting to me, is that if astronomers are correct about this theory, then not only did the Universe in fact have a beginning, but even more importantly, it had to have been formed in a highly ordered state according to it's own physical laws.

Consider:

One dictionary describes cosmological entropy as the "tendency for the Universe to attain a state of maximum homogeneity in which all matter is at a uniform temperature". In other words, over time, forces within the Universe itself act to rearrange things, things will get more messy or disordered than ordered. This also means that there is a difference between the past and the future: the past was more ordered and the future will be less ordered because this is the most likely way for things to play out.

If you take a university physics degree this is what you will learn about entropy and the arrow of time - the past had a lower entropy than the future; ordered things become disordered as time ticks by. So one might legitimately ask where all the order in the Universe came from in the first place.

Some scientists admit to believing in God because of their observations of what appears to be a fine-tuning of our Universe in general. It is equipped with fixed physical laws and with natural constants that are precisely and ideally suited to support a planet like ours and all the life on it. So how did the Earth get here? It's very ordered. And how did the Milky Way appear if it is composed of billions of ordered worlds orbiting around billions of ordered stars? There must have been some reason why the Universe began in such a highly ordered state, such that it can gradually fall into place this way. The Universe began with sufficient order in the bank to allow planets, stars and galaxies to appear. And the precise settings of the four fundamental physical forces (electromagnetism, gravity, strong nuclear force, and weak nuclear force), affect every object in the universe. They are set and balanced so precisely that even slight changes could render the universe lifeless. So there must have been a LOT of order to begin with.

In other words, the Universe was born in a highly ordered state, and there should be a reason for that. It is unlikely to have been chance. Since the Universe is far less ordered today than it was 13.7 billion years ago, this means that it would have been far more likely that our Universe popped into existence a billionth of a second ago, fully formed with planets, stars, galaxies and people, than it was that the Universe popped into existence at the Big Bang in a highly ordered state. Yet, that exactly is what astronomers say happened.

In summary, SOMETHING had to have always existed in order for the physical Universe to be here at all. Because the design of the Universe is SO ordered and had to have begun in such a precise fashion, this lends significant evidence of a Designer. As the Bible stated the obvious millenia ago:

"Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God." (Heb. 3:4; also see Romans 1:20; Isaiah 40:26 and Psalm 19:1)

Undoubtedly, the concept of Someone never having a beginning is completely baffling and foreign to our human minds. But we are forced to perceive things through only our physical Universe. God, on the other hand is described as a "Spirit" (John 4:24) and His thoughts are higher than ours (Isa. 55:9). Perhaps someday we will come to understand. But until then, we can be satisfied to know for all intents and purposes that God truly has existed "from time indefinite to time indefinite". (Ps. 90:2)
 
JackFrost10 said:
actually the word god is subjective because of you, you subjectively created your own definition of god.

the word god was not invented before the greek gods but the meaning of the word god can be associated with the greek gods, if you read my reply carefully I actually explained it.
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the plot twist lol, where is the article that has your basis? I would like to read your source but you don't have one just bias self claims. I was the one pointing out you're the one subjecting the word god and throws back at me your accusations with no to nothing evidence all you say are self claims.I would strongly disagree with your logical approach because it's so corrupt because like I said, if you'll change a meaning of one word then it is logical that you can change the meaning of other words too. if i'm wrong about this please explain why. that is my question.

JackFrost10 said:
not all swans are black.
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agreed, and not all that you say is true.

JackFrost10 said:
actually the word god is subjective because of you, you subjectively created your own definition of god.

the word god was not invented before the greek gods but the meaning of the word god can be associated with the greek gods, if you read my reply carefully I actually explained it.
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what you said about the word god being associated with greek gods is false due to the fact that the word used in the old greek mythology is θεός (theós)

which originates in:

Many names beginning with the root "Theo-" derive from the You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. word Theos (Θεός), which means God,You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. for example:

Feminine names
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again, you have been caught lying the word god was exclusive before only in the Germanic and the 6th century Christian Codex Argenteus before it was adapted by translators to other books. I didn't invented this, it's in the history. just like trump is a president you can call him a clown but you'll never change the fact that he is a president. sige gawin mo nga kay png.duterte ung subjective mo.

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When it comes down to it most words are ambiguous to a degree in most languages, and it is one of the problems of translation that the overlap of meaning is usually not precise, and words also shift their meanings over time, so that translation can often lead to misinterpretation or misrepresentation. I see this question as being of linguistic importance as well as theological.

We need to be especially careful with words like “God” where the classical and Hebraic equivalents are loaded with culturally specific connotation. The people of Israel avoided the use of the word (abbreviated as YHWH) preferring to talk about the attributes of God instead.

The Greek word Theos dates from a very different time i.e. of polytheism and superstition, and you are going to have to look up its extensive range of definitions over a couple of millennia and more of active usage in an academic source if you want more than a surface answer. I recommend Liddell & Scott’s Lexicon. It can only really be explained by studying it in context: A theologian friend once commented to me that a “Text without its context becomes a pretext.” i.e. it can only be explained in the context of the text in which it appears, in the setting of the period in which it was used, in its literary form and within the limits of our understanding of relevant cultural and historic factors.

your god is subjective ideology causes misinterpretations or misrepresentation and that my friend is what you are doing. this source is from quora so I didn't use from your so called I'm using bias christian websites. and FYI I haven't used any bias christian website in my other claims I only used google and wikipedia.
 
Napatunayan ba ng Siyensiya na Walang Diyos?

SA LOOB ng limang dekada, mataas ang tingin ng mga kasamahan ng Britanong pilosopo na si Antony Flew sa kaniya bilang isang ateista. Ang journal niya na “Teolohiya at Palsipikasyon” noong 1950, ang “pinakamaraming ulit na naimprentang publikasyon tungkol sa pilosopiya nitong [ika-20] siglo.” Noong 1986, tinawag si Flew na “pinakamatalino sa mga makabagong kritiko ng teismo” (paniniwala sa Diyos o mga diyos). Kaya marami ang gulat na gulat noong 2004 nang sabihin ni Flew na nagbago ang kaniyang paniniwala.

Bakit nagbago ng paniniwala si Flew? Sa maikli, dahil sa siyensiya. Nakumbinsi siya na ang uniberso, mga batas ng kalikasan, at ang buhay mismo ay hindi maaaring basta nagkataon lang. Makatuwiran ba ang konklusyong ito?

Paano Nagkaroon ng mga Batas ng Kalikasan?

Sinabi ng pisiko at awtor na si Paul Davies na napakahusay ng siyensiya sa pagpapaliwanag ng mga nangyayari sa kalikasan gaya ng ulan. Pero ang sabi niya: “Kung tungkol sa . . . mga tanong na gaya ng ‘Bakit may mga batas ng kalikasan?,’ ang sagot ay hindi gaanong malinaw. Hindi masagot ng mga tuklas sa siyensiya ang mga ganitong tanong: marami sa malalalim na tanong sa simula pa lang ng sibilisasyon ay gumugulo pa rin sa ating isip hanggang sa ngayon.”

“Ang mahalaga ay hindi ang basta pagkakaroon ng batas sa kalikasan,” ang isinulat ni Flew noong 2007, “kundi ang mga batas na ito ay unibersal, ‘magkakaugnay,’ at may tumpak na matematikal na pormula. Tinawag ito ni Einstein na ‘pisikal na katibayan ng karunungan.’ Ang dapat nating itanong ay kung paano naging ganito ang ayos ng kalikasan. Tiyak na ito ang naitanong ng mga siyentipiko mula kay Newton, kay Einstein, at hanggang kay Heisenberg—at nasagot nila. Ang sagot nila ay Karunungan ng Diyos.”

Oo, maraming iginagalang na mga siyentipiko ang nag-iisip na kaayon ng siyensiya ang maniwala sa matalinong Pinagmulan. Sa katunayan, mahirap isiping nagkataon lang ang pag-iral ng uniberso, ang mga batas nito, at ang buhay. Alam natin na may nagdisenyo sa anumang gadyet—lalo pa nga sa mga napakasopistikado.

Aling Pananampalataya ang Pipiliin Mo?

Gustong ipamarali ng mga bagong ateista na ang siyensiya ang basehan ng kanilang paniniwala. Pero ang totoo, kapuwa ang ateismo at teismo ay hindi lubusang nakasalig sa siyensiya. Pareho nitong kailangan ng pananampalataya—ateismo na nakasalig sa pananampalatayang nagkataon lang ang pag-iral ng buhay; teismo sa isang matalinong Pinagmulan. Itinataguyod ng mga bagong ateista na “ang pananampalataya ng lahat ng relihiyon ay bulag na pananampalataya,” ang isinulat ni John Lennox, propesor ng matematika sa University of Oxford sa Inglatera. Sinabi pa niya: “Kailangan nating ipagdiinang mali sila.” Kaya ang tanong: Aling pananampalataya ang mapatutunayang tama—ang sa mga ateista o ang sa mga relihiyoso? Halimbawa, isaalang-alang ang pinagmulan ng buhay.

Sinasabi agad ng mga ebolusyonista na nananatiling misteryo ang pinagmulan ng buhay—bagaman maraming nagkakasalungatang teoriya tungkol dito. Sinasabi ni Richard Dawkins, isang kilalang bagong ateista, na sa napakaraming planetang posibleng umiiral sa uniberso, tiyak na lilitaw ang buhay saanman. Pero hindi sigurado rito ang maraming iginagalang na siyentipiko. Sinabi ng propesor sa Cambridge na si John Barrow na “walang patutunguhan ang paniniwala na ang buhay at pag-iisip ay bunga ng ebolusyon. Napakaraming dahilan para maniwalang ang buhay ay imposibleng lumitaw na lang basta sa isang masalimuot at magulong kapaligiran. Isang kayabangan na sabihing kapag may sapat na karbon at panahon, lahat ng bagay ay posibleng lumitaw.”

Tandaan din na ang buhay ay hindi basta pinagsama-samang kemikal na mga elemento. Sa halip, nakabatay ito sa isang napakasalimuot na impormasyon na naka-encode sa DNA. Kaya kapag pinag-uusapan ang pinagmulan ng buhay, pinag-uusapan din ang pinagmulan ng biyolohikal na impormasyon. Saan lang puwedeng manggaling ang alam nating impormasyon? Sa isang salita, sa karunungan. Masasabi bang tsamba lang ang masasalimuot na impormasyong gaya ng isang programa sa computer, pormula sa algebra, ensayklopidiya, o maging resipi ng isang cake? Siyempre hindi. Kung gayon, lalong imposibleng tsamba lang ang husay at pagiging sopistikado ng impormasyong nasa genes ng mga buhay na organismo.

Nagkataon Lang—Kaayon ba ng Siyensiya?

Ayon sa mga ateista, “ang uniberso ay kung ano ito, misteryoso, at nagkataon lang na lumitaw rito ang buhay,” ang paliwanag ni Paul Davies. “Kung hindi gayon, wala tayo rito at hindi natin ito mapag-uusapan,” ang sabi ng mga ateista. “Magkakaugnay man o hindi ang mga batas sa uniberso, wala pa rin itong disenyo, layunin, o kahulugan na maiintindihan natin.” “Ang maganda sa paniniwalang ito,” ang sabi ni Davies, “ay napakadali nitong ipagtanggol o lusutan.” Kaya madali nang iwasan ang isyu.

Sinabi ng molecular biologist na si Michael Denton sa kaniyang aklat na Evolution: A Theory in Crisis na ang teoriya ng ebolusyon ay “mas maitutulad sa astrolohiya noong Edad Medya, kaysa isang seryosong . . . teoriya ng siyensiya.” Sinabi rin niya na ang turo ng ebolusyon ni Darwin ay isa sa pinakamatinding kathang-isip sa ating panahon.

Maliwanag na kathang-isip lang ang teoriya na nagkataon lang ang pag-iral ng lahat ng bagay. Pag-isipan ito: Ipagpalagay na may nahukay ang isang arkeologo na isang magaspang na bato na halos hugis parisukat. Puwede niyang sabihing nagkataon lang ang hugis nito, na maaaring makatuwiran naman. Pero nang makahukay siya ng isang bato na eksaktong hugis ng ulo at balikat ng isang tao at makikita kahit ang kaliit-liitang detalye, sasabihin ba niyang nagkataon lang ito? Hindi. Sasabihin ng kaniyang sentido kumon na, ‘May gumawa nito.’ Kaayon ng pangangatuwirang ito, sinasabi ng Bibliya: “Bawat bahay ay may nagtayo, ngunit siya na nagtayo ng lahat ng bagay ay ang Diyos.” (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.) Sang-ayon ka ba?

“Habang nadaragdagan ang alam natin tungkol sa uniberso,” ang isinulat ni Lennox, “lalong tumitibay ang teoriya na may isang Diyos na lumalang, na nagdisenyo ng uniberso nang may layunin, anupat mas nagiging katanggap-tanggap ito bilang pinakamahusay na paliwanag kung bakit tayo narito.”
 
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Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
the plot twist lol, where is the article that has your basis? I would like to read your source but you don't have one just bias self claims. I was the one pointing out you're the one subjecting the word god and throws back at me your accusations with no to nothing evidence all you say are self claims.I would strongly disagree with your logical approach because it's so corrupt because like I said, if you'll change a meaning of one word then it is logical that you can change the meaning of other words too. if i'm wrong about this please explain why. that is my question.



agreed, and not all that you say is true.


what you said about the word god being associated with greek gods is false due to the fact that the word used in the old greek mythology is θεός (theós)

which originates in:

Many names beginning with the root "Theo-" derive from the You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. word Theos (Θεός), which means God,You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. for example:

Feminine names
Masculine names
Germanic origin
Many other names beginning with "Theo-" do not necessarily derive from Greek, but rather the old Germanic "theud", meaning "people" or "folk".You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. As these names are uncommon today, and in the ancient times they were not spelled with the element "Theo", it is unlikely this nickname was ever applied to these individuals.[You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.] These names include:

again, you have been caught lying the word god was exclusive before only in the Germanic and the 6th century Christian Codex Argenteus before it was adapted by translators to other books. I didn't invented this, it's in the history. just like trump is a president you can call him a clown but you'll never change the fact that he is a president. sige gawin mo nga kay png.duterte ung subjective mo.

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When it comes down to it most words are ambiguous to a degree in most languages, and it is one of the problems of translation that the overlap of meaning is usually not precise, and words also shift their meanings over time, so that translation can often lead to misinterpretation or misrepresentation. I see this question as being of linguistic importance as well as theological.

We need to be especially careful with words like “God” where the classical and Hebraic equivalents are loaded with culturally specific connotation. The people of Israel avoided the use of the word (abbreviated as YHWH) preferring to talk about the attributes of God instead.

The Greek word Theos dates from a very different time i.e. of polytheism and superstition, and you are going to have to look up its extensive range of definitions over a couple of millennia and more of active usage in an academic source if you want more than a surface answer. I recommend Liddell & Scott’s Lexicon. It can only really be explained by studying it in context: A theologian friend once commented to me that a “Text without its context becomes a pretext.” i.e. it can only be explained in the context of the text in which it appears, in the setting of the period in which it was used, in its literary form and within the limits of our understanding of relevant cultural and historic factors.

your god is subjective ideology causes misinterpretations or misrepresentation and that my friend is what you are doing. this source is from quora so I didn't use from your so called I'm using bias christian websites. and FYI I haven't used any bias christian website in my other claims I only used google and wikipedia.
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wait what? you are joking right? you know the synonym of associated is related right? also you know that there are subjective words right?

you read your sources right? like this one:
Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
Greek origin
Many names beginning with the root "Theo-" derive from the You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. word Theos (Θεός), which means God,

Germanic origin
Many other names beginning with "Theo-" do not necessarily derive from Greek, but rather the old Germanic "theud", meaning "people" or "folk".You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. As these names are uncommon today, and in the ancient times they were not spelled with the element "Theo", it is unlikely this nickname was ever applied to these individuals.[You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.]
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I dont know if its your reading comprehension or you just copy and paste everything and say "aha this is it".
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this one is so on point:
Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
When it comes down to it most words are ambiguous to a degree in most languages, and it is one of the problems of translation that the overlap of meaning is usually not precise, and words also shift their meanings over time, so that translation can often lead to misinterpretation or misrepresentation. I see this question as being of linguistic importance as well as theological.

We need to be especially careful with words like “God” where the classical and Hebraic equivalents are loaded with culturally specific connotation. The people of Israel avoided the use of the word (abbreviated as YHWH) preferring to talk about the attributes of God instead.
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you really need to understand what you read, see in this example the guy talks about how meaning shift over time and how culture influence the definition of something, so I think the definition of the word "god" is subjective based on this guys comment.

your trying to point the word god to your religion again by pointing to the first use of the word god in the bible (or the
Codex Argenteus) <-- just in case you cite me again that I "twist your words".

so if you want your god back you can appeal the change for its redefinition.

we should call Zues as Θεός and the christian supreme deity as god.

lets redefine the word god shall we:

god: christian supreme deity.

there I fixed it.
 
JackFrost10 said:
wait what? you are joking right? you know the synonym of associated is related right? also you know that there are subjective words right?

you read your sources right? like this one:

I dont know if its your reading comprehension or you just copy and paste everything and say "aha this is it".
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this one is so on point:

you really need to understand what you read, see in this example the guy talks about how meaning shift over time and how culture influence the definition of something, so I think the definition of the word "god" is subjective based on this guys comment.

your trying to point the word god to your religion again by pointing to the first use of the word god in the bible (or the
Codex Argenteus) <-- just in case you cite me again that I "twist your words".

so if you want your god back you can appeal the change for its redefinition.

we should call Zues as Θεός and the christian supreme deity as god.

lets redefine the word god shall we:

god: christian supreme deity.

there I fixed it.
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I was baiting you to use the word Theos and you fall for it thank you.
there is no word god or theos in greek mythology lol just . caught you red handed right?
Zues was only called zues in greek mythology get your facts straight.

Lets-All-Love-Lain said: ↑
Greek origin
Many names beginning with the root "Theo-" derive from the You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. word Theos (Θεός), which means God,

Germanic origin
Many other names beginning with "Theo-" do not necessarily derive from Greek, but rather the old Germanic "theud", meaning "people" or "folk".You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. As these names are uncommon today, and in the ancient times they were not spelled with the element "Theo", it is unlikely this nickname was ever applied to these individuals.[You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.]

if you're reading properly the word "God" is exclusive only before in the Codex Argenteus.
the word "Theos can't be seen being used in the book of ancient greek mythology search it up"
there is no word god in ancient greek mythology. are you trying to twist words again just to just agree to your argument again just like saying God is a greek word? lol.

because the word theos which is related to the word god was initial used for names so if your saying zues should be called theozues because that's the usage of that word. but there is no word theos in ancient greek mythology lol. -caught trying to twist words again? lol.


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First usage is for the Unknown god in athens. is that Zues? lol.

meaning of word shifts but that doesn't change the fact there is an original meaning for every word.
so you said that only the word god is subjective then why are you agreeing that many words shifts meaning? you're so inconsistent lol. later you said "no, only the word god is subjective" now you agreeing to many words shifting meaning. can't even defend your own claim lol pathetic. strike number 8 or something?

which is very dangerous because it causes misinterpretation and misrepresentation. you trying to twist words again? your pretty good at it. you should be a con artist lol.

JackFrost10 said:
your trying to point the word god to your religion again by pointing to the first use of the word god in the bible (or the
Codex Argenteus) <-- just in case you cite me again that I "twist your words".

so if you want your god back you can appeal the change for its redefinition.

we should call Zues as Θεός and the christian supreme deity as god.

lets redefine the word god shall we:

god: christian supreme deity.

there I fixed it.
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thank you for fixing it for your own self twisting beliefs I understand now fully your intention.

because the word god came from that book Codex Argenteus lol. so you saying the ancient greek mythology has a word god (which has none) should have the word god because you said so. right..... it came from the Codex Argenteus then you want to put it in ancient greek mythology right,yes, I understand you want it to become subjective. clearly like saying the earth is yours because you live on it kinda claim right?

Zues

Original Word Word Origin
zeuß of uncertain affinity
Transliterated Word You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. Entry
Zeus None
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
dzyooce Noun Masculine
Definition
Jupiter or Zeus = "a father of helps"

it was not god before so you saying?

lol. this is the best, your revealing your true color. and I ask so many question you didn't answer anyone of it lol. (because you can't answer any of it)
 
Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
I was baiting you to use the word Theos and you fall for it thank you.
there is no word god or theos in greek mythology lol just . caught you red handed right?
Zues was only called zues in greek mythology get your facts straight.

Lets-All-Love-Lain said: ↑
Greek origin
Many names beginning with the root "Theo-" derive from the You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. word Theos (Θεός), which means God,

Germanic origin
Many other names beginning with "Theo-" do not necessarily derive from Greek, but rather the old Germanic "theud", meaning "people" or "folk".You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. As these names are uncommon today, and in the ancient times they were not spelled with the element "Theo", it is unlikely this nickname was ever applied to these individuals.[You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.]

if you're reading properly the word "God" is exclusive only before in the Codex Argenteus.
the word "Theos can't be seen being used in the book of ancient greek mythology search it up"
there is no word god in ancient greek mythology. are you trying to twist words again just to just agree to your argument again just like saying God is a greek word? lol.

because the word theos which is related to the word god was initial used for names so if your saying zues should be called theozues because that's the usage of that word. but there is no word theos in ancient greek mythology lol. -caught trying to twist words again? lol.


Many names beginning with the root "Theo-" derive from the You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. word Theos (Θεός), which means God,You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. for example:

Feminine names
Masculine names

source: google Θεός ancient greek mythlogy

The Unknown God or Agnostos Theos (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.: Ἄγνωστος Θεός) is a theory by You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. first published in 1913 that proposes, based on the Christian Apostle Paul's You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. in You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., that in addition to the You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. and the innumerable You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., ancient You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. worshipped a deity they called "Agnostos Theos", that is: "Unknown God", which Norden called "Un-Greek".You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. In You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., there was a You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. specifically dedicated to that god and very often Athenians would swear "in the name of the Unknown God" (Νὴ τὸν Ἄγνωστον Ne ton Agnoston).You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.,[You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.] You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. and You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. wrote about the Unknown God as well.You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.

First usage is for the Unknown god in athens. is that Zues? lol.

meaning of word shifts but that doesn't change the fact there is an original meaning for every word.
so you said that only the word god is subjective then why are you agreeing that many words shifts meaning? you're so inconsistent lol. later you said "no, only the word god is subjective" now you agreeing to many words shifting meaning. can't even defend your own claim lol pathetic. strike number 8 or something?

which is very dangerous because it causes misinterpretation and misrepresentation. you trying to twist words again? your pretty good at it. you should be a con artist lol.



thank you for fixing it for your own self twisting beliefs I understand now fully your intention.

because the word god came from that book Codex Argenteus lol. so you saying the ancient greek mythology has a word god (which has none) should have the word god because you said so. right..... it came from the Codex Argenteus then you want to put it in ancient greek mythology right,yes, I understand you want it to become subjective. clearly like saying the earth is yours because you live on it kinda claim right?

Zues

Original Word Word Origin
zeuß of uncertain affinity
Transliterated Word You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. Entry
Zeus None
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
dzyooce Noun Masculine
Definition
Jupiter or Zeus = "a father of helps"

it was not god before so you saying?

lol. this is the best, your revealing your true color. and I ask so many question you didn't answer anyone of it lol. (because you can't answer any of it)
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maybe, but the thing is we are not really talking about greek mythology right?

you want a separate word for the greek gods and I gave you a potential one, so the word god would be exclusively christian and the word theo is exclusively greek, allah would exclusively muslim.

something that is god to you might not be god to others, therefore god is subjective.

something fun to you might not be fun to others, therefore fun is subjective.

something ugly to you might not be ugly to others, therefore ugly is subjective.

P.S:
please refrain from asserting I said something just because you didn't understand my post. you didn't understand anything that I said, seriously stop asserting everything my post was like 1 inch long and your all over the place asserting everything if I correct all of your assertion it would fill up a hell of a space, holy cow you are putting words in my mouth, you know there is a tag for quoting right?

for the sake of the conversation please I beg you not to use a strawman,
a strawman is when you say "it came from the Codex Argenteus then you want to put it in ancient greek mythology right" <--- the you is the strawman

is everything clear?
 
JackFrost10 said:
you want a separate word for the greek gods and I gave you a potential one, so the word god would be exclusively christian and the word theo is exclusively greek, allah would exclusively muslim.
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again, are you reading what you read before? the word theos was only used for the unknown god. is zues the unknown god? are you just pushing your agenda? because I'm telling you, what you saying sounds kinda eh.

wheres now your arguement about the ancient greek mythology is older than the bible? and has a word god on it. hmmm?

wheres the Zues should be called Θεός claim of yours now?

wheres your claim that there is a word god in ancient greek mythology?

wheres your claim you saying that a god can be fictional? now...hmmm.


JackFrost10 said:
maybe, but the thing is we are not really talking about greek mythology right?


something that is god to you might not be god to others, therefore god is subjective.

something fun to you might not be fun to others, therefore fun is subjective.

something ugly to you might not be ugly to others, therefore ugly is subjective.


is everything clear?
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not really talking about greek mythology lol, yet you insist that the word god is in the ancient greek mythology. right....

lol, then you agree with me that people makes words subjective.original meaning of words cannot be change so therefore god is god meaning that even if you don't believe god it is still god just like a president is a president call that president a clown it still undeniably is a president.

JackFrost10 said:
P.S:
please refrain from asserting I said something just because you didn't understand my post. you didn't understand anything that I said, seriously stop asserting everything my post was like 1 inch long and your all over the place asserting everything if I correct all of your assertion it would fill up a hell of a space, holy cow you are putting words in my mouth, you know there is a tag for quoting right?

for the sake of the conversation please I beg you not to use a strawman,
a strawman is when you say "it came from the Codex Argenteus then you want to put it in ancient greek mythology right" <--- the you is the strawman

is everything clear?
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lol, you got bamboozled pretty hard. lol, you claim the word theos or Θεός should be used in the bible I'm not that stupid not to know the full intention of what you are saying therefore you seem trying to put a word that is none existence in ancient Greek mythology. well if anyone reads this other than you i'm sure they'll say something about it, you in the other hand just reply please refrain from so on and so forth rather than to counter my argument and defend your claims. in the end like I said the word god isn't subjective just like the word atheist isn't subjective people makes it subjective. so what i'm saying rather than recycling words humanity should leave old words alone and make there own word so we won't have any problem misinterpreting words or misrepresenting it.
 
Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
again, are you reading what you read before? the word theos was only used for the unknown god. is zues the unknown god? are you just pushing your agenda? because I'm telling you, what you saying sounds kinda eh.

wheres now your arguement about the ancient greek mythology is older than the bible? and has a word god on it. hmmm?

wheres the Zues should be called Θεός claim of yours now?

wheres your claim that there is a word god in ancient greek mythology?

wheres your claim you saying that a god can be fictional? now...hmmm.



not really talking about greek mythology lol, yet you insist that the word god is in the ancient greek mythology. right....

lol, then you agree with me that people makes words subjective.original meaning of words cannot be change so therefore god is god meaning that even if you don't believe god it is still god just like a president is a president call that president a clown it still undeniably is a president.



lol, you got bamboozled pretty hard. lol, you claim the word theos or Θεός should be used in the bible I'm not that stupid not to know the full intention of what you are saying therefore you seem trying to put a word that is none existence in ancient Greek mythology. well if anyone reads this other than you i'm sure they'll say something about it, you in the other hand just reply please refrain from so on and so forth rather than to counter my argument and defend your claims. in the end like I said the word god isn't subjective just like the word atheist isn't subjective people makes it subjective. so what i'm saying rather than recycling words humanity should leave old words alone and make there own word so we won't have any problem misinterpreting words or misrepresenting it.
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wow your doing it again, please stop creating a strawman to assert something, please just read it carefully, you claim the word theos or Θεός should be used in the bible <-- holy cat I never said this.

yet you insist that the word god is in the ancient greek mythology. right.... <-- another assertion, please just please stop this, your making may argument for me thats not how this works.

wow I am speechless, its partly my fault for being cryptic but just wow, you assumed my argument by just taking a single line out of context, I didn't expect you to over react through the roof.

let me get to my point again,

my argument is.
something that is god to you might not be god to others, therefore god is subjective.

something fun to you might not be fun to others, therefore fun is subjective.

something ugly to you might not be ugly to others, therefore ugly is subjective.

Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
lol, then you agree with me that people makes words subjective.original meaning of words cannot be change so therefore god is god meaning that even if you don't believe god it is still god just like a president is a president call that president a clown it still undeniably is a president.
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thats what I said waaaaaaay back, https://phcorner.org/threads/603158/page-5
post number 91, then you go on the do your math, which approves my argument, which you disagree because your argument is god is objective which your logic disagreed on post number 92 page 5, and I showed my take on the logic on post number 95 page 5 and then you disagreed with it which further proves my point.

 
JackFrost10 said:
wow your doing it again, please stop creating a strawman to assert something, please just read it carefully, you claim the word theos or Θεός should be used in the bible <-- holy cat I never said this.

yet you insist that the word god is in the ancient greek mythology. right.... <-- another assertion, please just please stop this, your making may argument for me thats not how this works.

wow I am speechless, its partly my fault for being cryptic but just wow, you assumed my argument by just taking a single line out of context, I didn't expect you to over react through the roof.

let me get to my point again,

my argument is.
something that is god to you might not be god to others, therefore god is subjective.

something fun to you might not be fun to others, therefore fun is subjective.

something ugly to you might not be ugly to others, therefore ugly is subjective.


thats what I said waaaaaaay back, https://phcorner.org/threads/603158/page-5
post number 91, then you go on the do your math, which approves my argument, which you disagree because your argument is god is objective which your logic disagreed on post number 92 page 5, and I showed my take on the logic on post number 95 page 5 and then you disagreed with it which further proves my point.
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so, were going back to the drawing board and let's use your example.

something that is god to you might not be god to others, therefore god is subjective.

this is true for a non believer but you can never change the fact that the meaning of the word god first is:

god
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Definition of god
(Entry 1 of 2)

1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: such as

a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
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you can't say that ao sol or j.k rowling is a god because they don't fit the bill.

it's like saying a stone can be a god which is pretty stupid that the fact that we know a stone isn't

god
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Definition of god
(Entry 1 of 2)

1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: such as

a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe


if you are denying god or your denying the god claim then you are an atheist period.
point being I don't know if god from the bible is that god or any other god (which is non-fiction)(or god is indeed true)
but I don't reject that description of god.
 
Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
so, were going back to the drawing board and let's use your example.

something that is god to you might not be god to others, therefore god is subjective.

this is true for a non believer but you can never change the fact that the meaning of the word god first is:

god
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Definition of god
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1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: such as

a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
____________________________________________________________________________________

you can't say that ao sol or j.k rowling is a god because they don't fit the bill.

it's like saying a stone can be a god which is pretty stupid that the fact that we know a stone isn't

god
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Definition of god
(Entry 1 of 2)

1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: such as

a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe


if you are denying god or your denying the god claim then you are an atheist period.
point being I don't know if god from the bible is that god or any other god (which is non-fiction)
but I don't reject that description of god.
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why do you leave out other description? also fictional characters fit the description.
a stone can be a god if it is perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe can it not?.
 
JackFrost10 said:
why do you leave out other description? also fictional characters fit the description.
a stone can be a god if it is perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe can it not?.
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yes, for a mentally disabled person.
if that's what you believe a stone can be a god which is scientifically proven to be

stone
/stəʊn/
noun
noun: stone
1.
hard solid non-metallic mineral matter of which rock is made, especially as a building material.
"the houses are built of stone"

hmmmm... seems legit.


so then you agree to this statement:

ikaw - athiest,gay,male,female,god loving,Buddhist person (subjecting)
________________________________________________________
god includes fiction:

can a fictional character make this world? (logic my friend)
___________________________________________________
the word god is in history whether you like it or not, you can't twist or change it's meaning.
 
Lets-All-Love-Lain said:
yes, for a mentally disabled person.
if that's what you believe a stone can be a god which is scientifically proven to be

stone
/stəʊn/
noun
noun: stone
1.
hard solid non-metallic mineral matter of which rock is made, especially as a building material.
"the houses are built of stone"

hmmmm... seems legit.


so then you agree to this statement:

ikaw - athiest,gay,male,female,god loving,Buddhist person (subjecting)
________________________________________________________
god includes fiction:

can a fictional character make this world? (logic my friend)
___________________________________________________
the word god is in history whether you like it or not, you can't twist or change it's meaning.
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wow you seem to didn't understand what I mean, let me make a simpler example, can a fictional character be colored blue?
 
sp4rr0w08 said:
Anyway bandwagon, atheism is not a beliefs or a group..

It's only a label to someone, who doesn't believe in God..

If you don't believe in God, then you're an atheist
If you do not believe in God, but can change your mind if the evidence and proof are shown then you're an Agnostic
If you believe in God, but "Which god?" or "Did he really exist?" Then you're an Agnostic Theist
If you believe in God, no matter what.. By Faith, by Books or by Religion.. You're a theist..
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Our god is Satan in heaven but we have many god so imma stay with feel me kill me but you still love me nyahahahahahahhahaha "fake it till you make it"
 
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