🕯️ Traditions IS DEATH THE END OR JUST A BEGINNING?

Krei0n

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WHEN SOMEONE IS NEAR OF DYING, WHERE IS HE/SHE ARE GOING TO?? OR WHAT IS THE FEELING OF DYING..?? THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT RELIGION ARE YOU INTO OR BELIEVING ITS JUST A THEORY ABOUT DEATH...
MANY PEOPLE SAYS WHEN THEY ALMOST DIE THEY SEEING THINGS UNIMAGINABLE, AND OTHERS GET A FLASHBACK OF THEIR LIFE..
AND SOME SAYS THEY SEE ANGELS, DEMONS, GODS, AND THEIR LOVEONES WAVING AT THEM...
WHAT IF THIS IS NOT TRUE AND ALL OF THIS IS CREATED BY OUR BRAIN THAT NEAR ON DYING LIKE A CORE OF A COMPUTER WHEN ITS BROKEN, DOING SORT OF ABNORMALITIES..
SO WHAT IF THE BRAIN IS THE ONE CREATING ALL OF THOSE SORT OF WE ARE SEEING BEFORE WE DIE?? AND THERE IS ACTUALLY NOTHING AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW.. NO HEAVEN NOR HELL... JUST A REBOOTING... WHY I SAID "REBOOTING"? BECAUSE WHAT IF WE ARE JUST REBOOTING FOR A NEW BEGINNING, START WITH NEW.. NEW LIFE, NEW PERSONALITIES, NEW ALL... BUT I DONT WANT IT TO BE CALLED LIKE "REINCARNATION" THING BECAUSE SOMEHOW IS SOMETHING ADDED OR SOMETHING MISSING... SO WHATS YOUR OPINION ARE WE IN THE SAME THING OR YOU HAVE OTHER THEORIES?? LET ME ME KNOW...
 
wala akong religion kaya sasagutin kita using scientific explanations, all the claims you mentioned cannot be proven independently, the proof of those claims are always dependent on a testimony of a person which is very very much subjective, pero dito tayo sa scientific explanation, the basic unit of life na turo ng science is the "cell" and this cell is just a group of atoms in which their corresponding molecules have gained the ability to replicate itself for as long as the environment is favorable to such chemical reactions, pag sinabi kasing "death" it just simply means that the "self-replication" ability of these atoms have stopped and the cause is that the environment no longer supports such spontaneous chemical reactions, so life is just a matter of chemical reactions occurring spontaneously (which heavily depends on the environmental support), kaya pansin niyo mga astronomers lagi nilang chini-check ang environment (presence of water, sunlight, carbon etc.) to declare signs of life, so to answer your question, death is an end to the spontaneous chemical reactions but these atoms may participate in another spontaneous chemical reactions later as the environment dictates, so it is both an end and at the same time may also be a beginning
 
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Mema lang to! Nasobrahan na sa Anime.

Krei0n
Hindi ako sigurado kung may Heaven or Hell but one thing im sure off is "By-product lang tayo ng Universe" kaya kapag namatay tayo, our molecules just spread away like dust. We are the universe itself.
 
Saying death is just the brain glitching is one possibility, but it doesn’t explain why so many people report similar, structured experiences even when their brain is clinically shut down 🤔 Consistent eh. Kung random lang, dapat gulo-gulo at walang meaning.
 
Saying death is just the brain glitching is one possibility, but it doesn’t explain why so many people report similar, structured experiences even when their brain is clinically shut down 🤔 Consistent eh. Kung random lang, dapat gulo-gulo at walang meaning.
yes of you treat those testimonies objectively, but we all know na very very much subjective ang sinasabi ng tao, may mga intentions tayo sa ating speeches kaya nga we refer to an external evidence na hindi galing sa atin to confirm objectivity and verify the claim independently, kahit mag corroborate pa lahat ng experiences bossing may mga intentions pa din ang bawat isa sa kanila, and we cannot deny the fact that everybody lies or at least capable of lying
 
yes of you treat those testimonies objectively, but we all know na very very much subjective ang sinasabi ng tao, may mga intentions tayo sa ating speeches kaya nga we refer to an external evidence na hindi galing sa atin to confirm objectivity and verify the claim independently, kahit mag corroborate pa lahat ng experiences bossing may mga intentions pa din ang bawat isa sa kanila, and we cannot deny the fact that everybody lies or at least capable of lying
I see your point, granted na lahat ng tao capable of lying at may sariling intentions na sinasabi mo. Pero ang interesting kasi dito, yung mga near-death experiences na nirereport e madalas nangyayari sa mga pasyente na clinically brain-dead (flatline na) meaning halos wala nang conscious control or motive to invent a story. Kaya kung subjective testimonies lang diba, dapat iba-iba at random ang kwento? Pero ang nangyayari, may mga consistent patterns across cultures (tunnel of light, life review, meeting loved ones, etc.) kahit hindi magkakilala at galing pa sa iba’t ibang countries and religion.

Kung iisipin mi, yung consistency na yun itself is already a kind of external evidence kasi hindi na sya basta individual imagination lang. Hindi ibig sabihin absolute proof na may afterlife, pero at least it shows na hindi talaga sya simpleng gawa-gawa lang ng tao na may intention mag-lie.
 
Death? Naniniwala ako sa near death experience or afterlife experience. Ang experience na nababasa ko is random beliefs sa different religion. Meron meet up sa loved ones, meron pa ako nabasa na pagkabalik on bed kuno, alam niya kung kailan mamamatay ang isa sa kamag-anak niya sa specific year mismo.

Magkakaiba. Meron nga Pagan near death experience na kung saan nakatayo siya sa tuktok ng bundok at meron yumakap sa kanya sabay hampas na malakas na hangin sa balat niya. It looks like a dream pero hindi daw. Ang nagsabi raw kasi sa kanya ay ang husband niya. Nag stop raw ang heart beating niya pagkatapos binubuhay raw siya ng asawa niya.

Actually, tama ang sabi ng iba dito, ang mga near death experience or after life experience ay halos lahat meron pattern na kahit anong relihiyon pero mas common raw ang white light kaysa character figure ng each religion like Jesus, Krishna, Buddha.... meron pa nga voice of a Goddess & a God nang namatay ang isang babae na taga-neo Pagan eh bago siya nabuhay uli...

...but mostly is white light daw. Yung white light daw is iba ang feeling. Feeling of love. Perfect. Sa sobrang perfect, ayaw ng iba bumalik sa earth. Yung love daw kasi is hindi na kailangan ng syota, asawa, parents... basta iba daw. Unlike sa earth, mga desperately tayo about love na kung sino magmamahal sa atin. Mga ganun. Kaya, mas prefer nila ang white light na naranasan nila.

....but actually, galing siya sa brain. Akin lang naman. Sabi din ng iba. Eh, kasi, scientifically, meron ako nabasa na kapag ang tao ay namatay, lahat ng organs ay not functional na po except ang brain. Mga ilan minutes muna siya umaandar bago mawala at hindi na maging functional. Brain ang pinaka last na hindi na umaandar kahit lahat ng organs ay not functional.

Nasa conscious mind siya, I believe. Nagrereflect siya kung ano ang information na ipinasok sa atin brain, kung papaano siya na frame or na develop sa mind natin.

Sabi nila, it is all in the mind. Kaya sa buddhist, ang kanila, it is in the mind, emotions and reality. Nakakapag create tayo ng reality with the use of mind so kung itinuro sa atin na Jesus is real, iyon ang magrereflect sa death bed mismo.

It is not wrong to use an imagination dahil doon tayo makakapagcreate ng reality in other world po. Its like thinker bell in the movie of peter pan. Ang ikinamatay lang naman ni thinker bell nang sabihan siya ni captain hook na I do not believe in fairies. Imagination lang kasi ang fairies sa mind ng little children. Eh ang children, pure innocent at heart and they just use imagination. That is the reason why they are pure and in the bible it says, sila ang madali makarating in heaven.

Nabuhay si thinker bell nang iniiyakan siya ni peter pan at nagsasalita siya ng paulit-ulit ng "I believe in fairies" plus nag sync pa all over the world ang mga children at nag chant sila ng "I believe in fairies" kaya nabuhay uli so thinker bell.

So, imagination helps us create a reality na not existing on earth.

Yung atheist ang iniisip ko. Ang alam ko, puros facts lang sila at science. I have a feeling, lack ata sila ng imagination pero meron atheist na nakakarating in heaven. State of mind lang kasi siya dahil who knows, nang nabubuhay siya, heavenly life ang nararanasan niya on earth. At peace siya and in his heart, motive niya is good at ang mental state niya is at peace at not chaotic or disturbing.

Ganun.​
 
Kaya kung subjective testimonies lang diba, dapat iba-iba at random ang kwento?
haha bigyan mo na lang ako ng near-death experience ng isang atheist at nang ma-confirm natin ang pattern na sinasabi mo, kasi baka ang merong pattern is yung mga reporters na puro religious persons lang kinukunan ng testimonies
 
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Anyway, alam ko na mahaba pero since ang topic is all about "death" - share ko lang ang nabasa ko from the past ha. Ewan ko kung meron ma ooffend na devoted religious dito pero bahala na.

Pagdating sa heaven or itinatawag nila heavenly state dahil hindi nila itinuturingan na place , nabasa ko ang iba-ibang experience....

1. Meron iba, nakita nila ang angels at meron din demons

2. Meron iba, meron nakita malaki kamay in heaven na kinuha siya sa hell

3. Meron iba, tunnel of white light or mismong white light , example , meron mga tao na nakarating in white light which is the feeling of love na hindi matatagpuan on earth. Meron white light naman na meron voice like near death experience or after life experience ng isang Christian at meron din white light na without voice katulad ng experience ng ibang Buddhist.

4. Meron iba figure character na depends kung ano religion or beliefs ang meron sa tao or hinohold niya , like in Hinduism , sa near death experience or after life experience ng isang taga-Hindu is nakita niya ang lalake na meron balbas. Yung lalake balbas, isa sa mga character na nakalagay sa sacred text.

Sa iba , example , si Jesus lalo kung Christian ang upbringing.

5. Meron iba life preview

6. Meron iba is nakalutaw ang self niya galing sa harap ng katawan niya. Dead body niya. Aware siya pero ang feelings & emotions niya , dala pa rin niya so for me , it's not advisable na kapag stress & depress ang tao , eh papatayin na niya ang self niya para ma avoid ang stress & depress niya on earth. Hindi raw solusyon iyon dahil kung ano ang bigat na nararamdaman ng tao na iyon nang nabubuhay pa siya & kapag nag suicide siya , ang bigat na nararamdaman niya dala pa rin niya.

Ang mas malala , since patay na siya or dahil lumabas siya sa katawan mismo , wala siyang solusyon para gumaan ang nararamdaman niya unlike nang nabubuhay pa siya , meron hope esolusyon ang bigat na nararamdaman niya.

Kung kaya, kung manonood kayo ng mga horror story na tipong meron grudge , sobrang grieve , sobrang depress or whatever pagkatapos nag suicide or namatay....... ayan na ang one of the reason why meron mga hunted house , hunted hotel- dahil andoon ang negative feelings and emotions na dala pa rin nila. Dala pa rin nila at hindi na ma solusyonan dahil patay na siya. Dala lang niya ang negative feelings and emotions niya at hindi siya matahimik.

Anyway, feeling of love daw nang lumabas sila sa katawan sa ibang experiencer naman po pero aware sila.

Diba, kapag aware, dala ang consciously ng tao.

So for me ha? Kapag meron problem nang nabubuhay ang tao, solusyonan habang buhay pa at huwag mag give up at mag isip ng suicide. Useless ang suicide dahil dala pa rin ang problema , ang bigat na nararamdaman ay dala pa rin kahit nag suicide ang tao and so , useless talaga.

7. Sa polytheistic naman like Wicca or Neo-Pagan or Pagan , generally speaking iba ang kanila. Some , sabi , nakarating sila sa other world like meron bundok or meron hills same as earth.

Sabi ng iba, voices of one female (Goddess) and one male (God) namam daw since they have dualistic deities ang kanila.

...iyon lang ang abot na naalala ko nang nabasa ko about their death experience dati.

I think meron silang courses patungkol doon about the death experiencer. Yung mga nakapag aral na , isa lang ang na conclude nila. Love is the answer daw, its unconditional love raw. So kahit anong beliefs , they were teaching about unconditional love.

Thank you sa mga gusto magbasa ng mahaba.
 
haha bigyan mo na lang ako ng near-death experience ng isang atheist at nang ma-confirm natin ang pattern na sinasabi mo, kasi baka ang merong pattern is yung mga reporters na puro religious persons lang kinukunan ng testimonies
Lahat kamo ng testimonies subjective, may intentions, at lahat ng tao capable of lying.

Pero hirit mo ngayon, 'Bigyan mo ako ng atheist NDE para ma-confirm natin yung pattern.'

Kahit magbigay ako ng atheist NDE, by your own rule, considered pa rin yon as subjective testimony para sayo, so kahit anong example, walang papasa. Babagsak din sa mismong rule mo na testimonyy = subjective and unreliable.
 
Lahat kamo ng testimonies subjective, may intentions, at lahat ng tao capable of lying.

Pero hirit mo ngayon, 'Bigyan mo ako ng atheist NDE para ma-confirm natin yung pattern.'

Kahit magbigay ako ng atheist NDE, by your own rule, considered pa rin yon as subjective testimony para sayo, so kahit anong example, walang papasa. Babagsak din sa mismong rule mo na testimonyy = subjective and unreliable.
yes never talaga magiging objective ang testimony ng tao bossing regardless if atheist or not, kaya nga sabi ko sayo wala kang aasahan sa testimonies, pero nag insist ka pa rin sa patern na sinasabi mo kaya pinagbigyan kita na kahit magbigay ka lang ng isang corroborating testimony ng atheist i will believe in your patterns hehe
 
Atheist kamo kung meron nakakarating sa heaven or heavenly state? Eh, diba, mga taoists or buddhists.....? Some perceived atheists daw sila but, kaya sila natawag na atheists dahil hindi siya katulad ng abrahamic religion like Islam, Christian and Judaism acts as human ang God nila na meron taga-punished or taga-judged... na gawa ng heaven, hell and earth.

Ang buddhism and taoism is more on philosophy kasi, though meron silang god or goddess - hindi siya katulad ng abrahamic beliefs na meron kilalaman na taga-saved at taga-punished.

Meron kilalaman sa kanila about cultivation or developing spirituality kung kaya, included sa kanila ang practice of meditation plus, philosophy like sa Taoism, ang kanila is meron sila itinatawag na the way of the "universe" or "Tao" kung tawagin. Iyon ang itinatawag nila na kapag namatay ang tao, magiging part sila ng universe while in Buddhism, nirvana naman ang kanila, ang concept is to achieve enlightenment and liberation from the cycle of suffering but you know, wala sila God na meron gawa ng langit at impyerno at meron gawa ng earth.

Sa Buddhism naman is all about the mind, reality and emotions. A state or more on mental state na kapag namatay ang tao, achieve na niya kailangan ang nirvana or liberate na siya dapat from sufferings on earth.

Alam niyo ba ang sutra? Ang naalala ko, chanting siya ata na paulit-ulit to get rid all the negativity in the mind and the get rid of any negativity to their environment.

...kaya kung magtatanong kung meron atheists na nakarating na in heaven, depende kung ano atheist na itinutukoy dahil ang buddhist based on near death na nabasa ko, meron iba sa kanila is nakakita ng white light dahil meron din kasi buddhist atheist din kasi. You know, atheist siya pero buddhist na nagpapractice ng meditation.

 
...actually, reincarnation, depende kung ano interpretation ng mga tao doon. Ang iba literal interpretation at ang iba ay hindi. Parang Adam and Eve lang iyan. Adam, galing lupa. Eve, galing ribs ni Adam. Yung mga ipinoportray nila is some, napaka impossible lalo kung literal interpretation. So ang iba naniniwala pero not in a sense na literal as in so depende kung papaano iinterpret ng tao na for them is totoo.

Ika nga, depende sa conscious mind natin at ano ang pina-feed sa atin sa mismong brain or upbringing natin noon bata pa tayo. Sabi nga, it is all in the mind daw.​
 
So the thing is never talagang malalaman ng kahit sino ang mangyayari after you died.. so sakin lang kasi na kristyano nuong una naniniwala Ako about heaven and hell na kapag gumawa ka ng masama sa impiyerno ka then kapag mabuti naman is sa heaven, yan yung pini-feed sa atin nuong mga Bata pa tayo the same way din sa iba.. so it depends talaga sa kung ano yung nakagisnan natin.. pero kung lalawakan natin ang ating mga kaisipan with literal scientific way and those na magical includes the spirits, the unknown at kung anu-ano pa, siguro yun yung lalabas o makikita natin sa ating near death experience or bago tayo mamatay pero sa totoo lang wala talagang nakakaalam about really happens to us, ito ay dipende nalang sa kung ano ang pinaniniwalaan mo
 
so sakin lang kasi na kristyano nuong una naniniwala Ako about heaven and hell na kapag gumawa ka ng masama sa impiyerno ka then kapag mabuti naman is sa heaven, yan yung pini-feed sa atin nuong mga Bata pa tayo the same way din sa iba..
it is called Behaviorism approach, sobrang luma na ng approach na ito sa teaching, but still effective way to teach children, this is a mechanistic way of teaching a specific behavior, behaviorist believe that humans learn by adjusting the environment, kaya punishment for bad bahavior and reward for good behavior, magkaiba ang magiging environment ng good and bad behavior, and since di naman nag-iisip ang mga bata then they would just automatically aviod punishments and desire for rewards, kaya ginagamit ito ng religion kasi target nila yung mga bata madaling i-condition ang utak
 

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