New definition of PATRIOTISM

The use of "patriotic" is incorrect because the gathering specifically supports the Duterte family, not the broader nation of the Philippines, and is tied to a controversial figure facing ICC charges for alleged crimes against humanity during his drug war campaign.

Supporting a political figure, especially one accused of human rights violations, does not align with the traditional definition of patriotism, which prioritizes the country’s well-being over individual leaders.

Patriotism typically refers to love and devotion to one’s country, often involving actions that promote national unity, welfare, or independence.

 

[plhbg1]

Mali yung 2021—nagsimula yung ICC preliminary investigation nung Feb 2018, bago pa tayo umalis sa ICC nung 2019. Sabi ng ICC rules, kahit 2021 na yung formal investigation, sakop pa rin yung 2011-2019 kasi ongoing na yung process. So, may jurisdiction talaga sila.

nope, preliminary investigation is only investigating icc's jurisdiction, not the drug war itself

Mali rin yung blue notice—both blue at red notices, Interpol ang nag-i-issue, pero sa case ni Duterte, diffusion notice ang ginamit, hindi blue or red. Valid yun under Interpol rules, at yung ICC warrant pa rin ang basis ng arrest, hindi Interpol notice. Bakit mo sinasabi na invalid yung diffusion notice kahit standard process yun sa Interpol?

nope, makinig ka sa hearing, gobyerno mismo nagsabing notices of other colors except red color are unverified at hindi dumadan sa mismong commissioner ng interpol

 

[BicycleHorse]

nope, preliminary investigation is only investigating icc's jurisdiction, not the drug war itself

Mali yung sinasabi mo—yung 2018 preliminary investigation ng ICC, hindi lang jurisdiction yun, kasama na yung drug war mismo. Sabi ng ICC records, nagsimula yun nung You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. dahil sa extrajudicial killings, bago pa tayo umalis sa ICC nung 2019. So, may You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.talaga sila. Saan mo nakuha na 2018 lang jurisdiction ang tiningnan?

nope, makinig ka sa hearing, gobyerno mismo nagsabing notices of other colors except red color are unverified at hindi dumadan sa mismong commissioner ng interpol

Diffusion notice ang ginamit, hindi blue or red, at valid yun under Interpol rules—hindi kailangan dumaan sa commissioner, kasi You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.. Sabi ng reports, You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.. Kung sinabi ng gobyerno na “unverified” yung non-red notices, saan mo yun narinig, at bakit hindi pa rin valid yung You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. mismo na basis ng arrest?

 

[plhbg1]

Mali yung sinasabi mo—yung 2018 preliminary investigation ng ICC, hindi lang jurisdiction yun, kasama na yung drug war mismo. Sabi ng ICC records, nagsimula yun nung You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. dahil sa extrajudicial killings, bago pa tayo umalis sa ICC nung 2019. So, may You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.talaga sila. Saan mo nakuha na 2018 lang jurisdiction ang tiningnan?

haha yang wikipedia article mo mismo nagsasabi na prosecutor was only authorized 2021

Diffusion notice ang ginamit, hindi blue or red, at valid yun under Interpol rules—hindi kailangan dumaan sa commissioner, kasi You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.. Sabi ng reports, You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.. Kung sinabi ng gobyerno na “unverified” yung non-red notices, saan mo yun narinig, at bakit hindi pa rin valid yung You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. mismo na basis ng arrest?

haha other color notices except red are all classified as diffusion due the fact that data gathering lang ang purpose, makinig ka kasi sa hearing, gobyerno na mismo nagsabi na blue

 

[BicycleHorse]

haha yang wikipedia article mo mismo nagsasabi na prosecutor was only authorized 2021

I get your point na 2021 yung formal authorization ng ICC prosecutor, pero yung preliminary examination nagsimula na nung Feb 2018, kasama na yung drug war investigation, not just jurisdiction. Kaya may You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.pa rin sila over 2011-2019, kahit 2019 na tayo umalis.

haha other color notices except red are all classified as diffusion due the fact that data gathering lang ang purpose, makinig ka kasi sa hearing, gobyerno na mismo nagsabi na blue

Mali yung sinasabi mo na data gathering lang yung diffusion—pwede rin yan for arrest, at valid yun kahit hindi red notice. Hindi rin blue yung notice; diffusion talaga, sabi ng reports. Napanood ko rin yung hearings, pero wala akong narinig na sinabi ng gobyerno na blue yung notice.

 

[plhbg1]

I get your point na 2021 yung formal authorization ng ICC prosecutor, pero yung preliminary examination nagsimula na nung Feb 2018, kasama na yung drug war investigation, not just jurisdiction. Kaya may You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.pa rin sila over 2011-2019, kahit 2019 na tayo umalis.

haha icc can only authorize once they confirm their jurisdiction, kaya drug war investigation cannot proceed without investigating jurisdiction first, so never talaga mag investigate ang prosecutor unless authorized bossing or else walang silbi yung authorization thingy

Mali yung sinasabi mo na data gathering lang yung diffusion—pwede rin yan for arrest, at valid yun kahit hindi red notice. Hindi rin blue yung notice; diffusion talaga, sabi ng reports. Napanood ko rin yung hearings, pero wala akong narinig na sinabi ng gobyerno na blue yung notice.

haha stick lang tayo sa mga sagot ng kidnappers, the notice informs a member state that icc (not interpol) has warrant, red notice is the communication between interpol and member states, diffusion is communication between member states only, klaro yan sa hearing if nakinig ka

 

[BicycleHorse]

haha icc can only authorize once they confirm their jurisdiction, kaya drug war investigation cannot proceed without investigating jurisdiction first, so never talaga mag investigate ang prosecutor unless authorized bossing or else walang silbi yung authorization thingy

haha stick lang tayo sa mga sagot ng kidnappers, the notice informs a member state that icc (not interpol) has warrant, red notice is the communication between interpol and member states, diffusion is communication between member states only, klaro yan sa hearing if nakinig ka

Mali pa rin yung sinasabi mo na jurisdiction lang yung 2018 preliminary investigation—sabi ng ICC, nagsimula na yun nung Feb 2018 to look into drug war killings, not just jurisdiction. Kaya kahit 2021 pa yung formal authorization, may jurisdiction pa rin sila over 2011-2019, kasi member tayo noon.

Kung jurisdiction lang yung tiningnan, bakit kaya nila sinimulan yung investigation bago pa tayo umalis sa ICC nung 2019? Mali rin na data gathering lang yung diffusion—valid yun for arrests, sabi ng reports Kung diffusion lang talaga yung notice at hindi Interpol directive, bakit kaya naaresto si Duterte based sa ICC warrant?

You keep mentioning mo yung hearing na sinabi daw ng gobyerno na blue yung notice—can you share a video clip ng hearing na yan? Kasi wala akong nakita sa reports na sinabi ng gobyerno na blue yung notice, diffusion talaga yun.

 

[Rectify]

haha icc can only authorize once they confirm their jurisdiction, kaya drug war investigation cannot proceed without investigating jurisdiction first, so never talaga mag investigate ang prosecutor unless authorized bossing or else walang silbi yung authorization thingy

haha stick lang tayo sa mga sagot ng kidnappers, the notice informs a member state that icc (not interpol) has warrant, red notice is the communication between interpol and member states, diffusion is communication between member states only, klaro yan sa hearing if nakinig ka

nakahanap karin brad ng katapat mo hahahaha
patriotism niyo idolatry kay dutae. period.

 

[plhbg1]

Mali pa rin yung sinasabi mo na jurisdiction lang yung 2018 preliminary investigation—sabi ng ICC, nagsimula na yun nung Feb 2018 to look into drug war killings, not just jurisdiction. Kaya kahit 2021 pa yung formal authorization, may jurisdiction pa rin sila over 2011-2019, kasi member tayo noon.

so you mean nag investigate ang prosecutor without authorization from the court? haha

Kung jurisdiction lang yung tiningnan, bakit kaya nila sinimulan yung investigation bago pa tayo umalis sa ICC nung 2019? Mali rin na data gathering lang yung diffusion—valid yun for arrests, sabi ng reports Kung diffusion lang talaga yung notice at hindi Interpol directive, bakit kaya naaresto si Duterte based sa ICC warrant?

that would mean nag sinungaling ang kidnappers sa hearing nung pinakita nila ang notice mismo haha

You keep mentioning mo yung hearing na sinabi daw ng gobyerno na blue yung notice—can you share a video clip ng hearing na yan? Kasi wala akong nakita sa reports na sinabi ng gobyerno na blue yung notice, diffusion talaga yun.

around 1hr 45 mins sa hearing yung pinapaliwanag ni alcantara ang differences between red notice and diffusions

nakahanap karin brad ng katapat mo hahahaha
patriotism niyo idolatry kay dutae. period.

hehe sa wakas nga may mga magagaling na, improvement yan

 

[Rectify]

so you mean nag investigate ang prosecutor without authorization from the court? haha

that would mean nag sinungaling ang kidnappers sa hearing nung pinakita nila ang notice mismo haha

around 1hr 45 mins sa hearing yung pinapaliwanag ni alcantara ang differences between red notice and diffusions

hehe sa wakas nga may mga magagaling na, improvement yan

paano ba i-define ang "magaling" ?

 

[plhbg1]

paano ba i-define ang "magaling" ?

subjective term yan bossing, whoever is magaling to you might not be so with me, magkaiba tayo ng interpretation diyan

 

[BicycleHorse]

so you mean nag investigate ang prosecutor without authorization from the court? haha

Hindi naman kailangan ng court authorization para mag-preliminary examination—sabi ng ICC rules, yung prosecutor pwede mag-start nun, kaya nagsimula na yung drug war investigation nung Feb 2018.

Under You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., the Prosecutor may begin a preliminary examination proprio motu—on their own initiative—based on information received from any reliable source, such as communications from individuals, organizations, or states.

that would mean nag sinungaling ang kidnappers sa hearing nung pinakita nila ang notice mismo haha

Diffusion notice nga ang ginamit, at valid yun for arrests, hindi lang data gathering.

around 1hr 45 mins sa hearing yung pinapaliwanag ni alcantara ang differences between red notice and diffusions

Since sinabi mo 1hr 45 mins sa hearing pinaliwanag ni Alcantara yung red notice vs. diffusion, can you share yung link ng hearing video? Kasi base sa reports, You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., at walang sinabi na blue.

 

[Rectify]

subjective term yan bossing, whoever is magaling to you might not be so with me, magkaiba tayo ng interpretation diyan

i mean, coming from you.. that's why i ask

 

[plhbg1]

Hindi naman kailangan ng court authorization para mag-preliminary examination—sabi ng ICC rules, yung prosecutor pwede mag-start nun, kaya nagsimula na yung drug war investigation nung Feb 2018.

hehe wikipedia article mo na mismo nagsabi that prosecutor was authorized drug war investigation 2021 so bakit naging no need authorizarion na ngayon?

Diffusion notice nga ang ginamit, at valid yun for arrests, hindi lang data gathering.

hehe diffusion is member states nga lang at hindi interpol

Since sinabi mo 1hr 45 mins sa hearing pinaliwanag ni Alcantara yung red notice vs. diffusion, can you share yung link ng hearing video? Kasi base sa reports, You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., at walang sinabi na blue.

akala ko ba nanood ka ng hearing, ba't nanghingi ka na ngayon?

 

[Lerold]

Grabe sobrang dami nagrally kahapon, maraming patriotic , naging maganda rin siguro dulot ng war on drugs sa kanila. very wrong talaga ginawa nila bbm dito, dapat kasi ihearing nalang nila sa PH court kaysa EUcc court, gagalit tuloy mga pinoy

 

[BicycleHorse]

hehe wikipedia article mo na mismo nagsabi that prosecutor was authorized drug war investigation 2021 so bakit naging no need authorizarion na ngayon?

Under You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., “The Prosecutor may initiate investigations proprio motu on the basis of information on crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court.” So, pwede mag-preliminary examination yung prosecutor without authorization—kaya nagsimula yung drug war investigation nung 2018

hehe diffusion is member states nga lang at hindi interpol

member states nga ang nag-circulate ng diffusion, pero through Interpol channels yun, at valid for arrests.

akala ko ba nanood ka ng hearing, ba't nanghingi ka na ngayon?

Napanood ko yung hearing, pero hindi ko matandaan na sinabi ni Alcantara na blue yung notice—diffusion lang yung na-mention sa reports. Kaya nga nanghingi ako ng link para ma-verify natin.

Grabe sobrang dami nagrally kahapon, maraming patriotic , naging maganda rin siguro dulot ng war on drugs sa kanila. very wrong talaga ginawa nila bbm dito, dapat kasi ihearing nalang nila sa PH court kaysa EUcc court, gagalit tuloy mga pinoy

Let me share some facts para ma-clarify natin:

• ICC, hindi EUcc: International Criminal Court ang ICC, hindi EU-related, at may jurisdiction sila kasi member tayo nung 2011-2019
• Bakit ICC, hindi PH court: Sabi ni Remulla, failed yung justice system natin sa EJK victims—maraming police complicity, kaya ICC ang tumuloy
• Over 12,000 yung namatay sa Drug War, mostly urban poor, kaya may ICC case.

Divided talaga yung Pinoys—may pro-Duterte, pero marami rin yung gustong justice para sa victims.

 

[Lerold]

Under You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., “The Prosecutor may initiate investigations proprio motu on the basis of information on crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court.” So, pwede mag-preliminary examination yung prosecutor without authorization—kaya nagsimula yung drug war investigation nung 2018

member states nga ang nag-circulate ng diffusion, pero through Interpol channels yun, at valid for arrests.

Napanood ko yung hearing, pero hindi ko matandaan na sinabi ni Alcantara na blue yung notice—diffusion lang yung na-mention sa reports. Kaya nga nanghingi ako ng link para ma-verify natin.

Let me share some facts para ma-clarify natin:

• ICC, hindi EUcc: International Criminal Court ang ICC, hindi EU-related, at may jurisdiction sila kasi member tayo nung 2011-2019
• Bakit ICC, hindi PH court: Sabi ni Remulla, failed yung justice system natin sa EJK victims—maraming police complicity, kaya ICC ang tumuloy
• Over 12,000 yung namatay sa Drug War, mostly urban poor, kaya may ICC case.

Divided talaga yung Pinoys—may pro-Duterte, pero marami rin yung gustong justice para sa victims.

call it what you may, di ko gusto sa EUcc especially if they can select which country they can prosecute. naniniwala ka naman kay remula, sabi nga niya (boying) walang kaso pero sabi niya rin (boying) di umuusad kaso, kaninong remulla ka maniniwala . kung may report may pwede ihearing

 

[plhbg1]

Under You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., “The Prosecutor may initiate investigations proprio motu on the basis of information on crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court.” So, pwede mag-preliminary examination yung prosecutor without authorization—kaya nagsimula yung drug war investigation nung 2018

so saan diyan ang no need authorization? or baka di mo lang alam ang meaning ng proprio motu

member states nga ang nag-circulate ng diffusion, pero through Interpol channels yun, at valid for arrests.

hindi nga interpol ang may arrest warrant kaya nga walang red notice, it is icc not interpol

Napanood ko yung hearing, pero hindi ko matandaan na sinabi ni Alcantara na blue yung notice—diffusion lang yung na-mention sa reports. Kaya nga nanghingi ako ng link para ma-verify natin.

if nanood ka then obviously may link ka diba, pinahanap ko nga sayo yung 1 hr 45 mins

 

[BicycleHorse]

hindi nga interpol ang may arrest warrant kaya nga walang red notice, it is icc not interpol

You still confused ka kung bakit walang red notice, so let’s break it down para mas malinaw, parang sa 10th grader level, ha? Gagamit ako ng group chat example para madali maintindihan.

1. Sino yung may arrest warrant? Imagine yung ICC bilang principal ng school. Sila yung nagsabi na si Duterte may kasalanan (crimes against humanity sa drug war), kaya sila nag-issue ng arrest warrant nung March 7, 2025. Sila yung may authority na magsabi na hulihin si Duterte, hindi Interpol.
2. Ano yung role ng Interpol? Si Interpol parang admin ng group chat ng mga pulis sa buong mundo. Hindi sila yung nag-decide na hulihin si Duterte—sila yung tumulong lang i-spread yung message na “Hulihin si Duterte kasi may warrant galing ICC.” Sa case na to, diffusion notice ang ginamit, hindi red notice.
3. Ano yung red notice at diffusion notice? Red notice parang public announcement sa group chat na “Hulihin si Duterte!” para makita ng lahat. Diffusion notice naman parang private message sa group chat, like “Uy, Philippines, hulihin mo si Duterte kasi may warrant galing ICC.” Pareho silang valid para i-coordinate yung arrest, pero yung diffusion notice ang ginamit dito.
4. Bakit okay lang kahit walang red notice? Kasi yung arrest warrant galing ICC ang importante, hindi yung message ng Interpol. Si Interpol yung messenger lang, pero si ICC yung may authority. Kaya legal pa rin yung arrest kahit diffusion notice lang.

so saan diyan ang no need authorization? or baka di mo lang alam ang meaning ng proprio motu

Proprio motu—meaning the prosecutor can start a preliminary examination without authorization, which happened nung Feb 2018 to look into the drug war’s extrajudicial killings. Authorization is for the formal investigation (2021), pero yung preliminary phase, hindi kailangan yun, kaya may jurisdiction sila over 2011-2019

if nanood ka then obviously may link ka diba, pinahanap ko nga sayo yung 1 hr 45 mins

ikaw yung keeps mentioning the hearing at 1 hr 45 mins—ikaw dapat magbigay ng link ng video clip, kasi ikaw yung nagsasabi na sinabi ng gobyerno na blue yung notice. Wala akong nakita sa reports na ganyan.

call it what you may, di ko gusto sa EUcc especially if they can select which country they can prosecute. naniniwala ka naman kay remula, sabi nga niya (boying) walang kaso pero sabi niya rin (boying) di umuusad kaso, kaninong remulla ka maniniwala . kung may report may pwede ihearing

may issue talaga sa fairness ng ICC, kasi mahina sila sa powerful countries like the US. Pero sa case ni Duterte, may jurisdiction sila kasi member tayo nung 2011-2019, kaya sakop yung drug war.

Tungkol kay Remulla, pareho nga yung sinabi niya—walang kaso pero hindi rin umuusad. Para sa akin, yung “hindi umuusad” ang malinaw na proof na failed yung system, kaya ICC ang tumuloy.

Agree ako na kung may report, dapat may hearing locally—paano sa tingin mo natin masigurong magkakaroon ng transparent na hearing dito

 

[plhbg1]

You still confused ka kung bakit walang red notice, so let’s break it down para mas malinaw, parang sa 10th grader level, ha? Gagamit ako ng group chat example para madali maintindihan.

1. Sino yung may arrest warrant? Imagine yung ICC bilang principal ng school. Sila yung nagsabi na si Duterte may kasalanan (crimes against humanity sa drug war), kaya sila nag-issue ng arrest warrant nung March 7, 2025. Sila yung may authority na magsabi na hulihin si Duterte, hindi Interpol.
2. Ano yung role ng Interpol? Si Interpol parang admin ng group chat ng mga pulis sa buong mundo. Hindi sila yung nag-decide na hulihin si Duterte—sila yung tumulong lang i-spread yung message na “Hulihin si Duterte kasi may warrant galing ICC.” Sa case na to, diffusion notice ang ginamit, hindi red notice.
3. Ano yung red notice at diffusion notice? Red notice parang public announcement sa group chat na “Hulihin si Duterte!” para makita ng lahat. Diffusion notice naman parang private message sa group chat, like “Uy, Philippines, hulihin mo si Duterte kasi may warrant galing ICC.” Pareho silang valid para i-coordinate yung arrest, pero yung diffusion notice ang ginamit dito.
4. Bakit okay lang kahit walang red notice? Kasi yung arrest warrant galing ICC ang importante, hindi yung message ng Interpol. Si Interpol yung messenger lang, pero si ICC yung may authority. Kaya legal pa rin yung arrest kahit diffusion notice lang.

hindi yan ang sinabi ni alcantara, diffusion is always for information purposes only, interpol has its own wanted list at red notice ang gamit, wanted ng icc si digong hindi siya wanted ng interpol

Proprio motu—meaning the prosecutor can start a preliminary examination without authorization, which happened nung Feb 2018 to look into the drug war’s extrajudicial killings. Authorization is for the formal investigation (2021), pero yung preliminary phase, hindi kailangan yun, kaya may jurisdiction sila over 2011-2019

sabi ko na nga ba authorization ang gagawin mong replacement sa request, obvious naman na need na meron mag file first ng kaso before prosecutor can act, at yun ang na-waive ng motu proprio, it gives prosecutor a power to act without someone requesting to do so, so kahit walang naka file na kaso he can investigate, yang authorization is to make sure that the prosecutor is acting within the jurisdiction set by the statue, or else ok lang pala mag violate ang prosecutor sa statute by not settling the jurosdiction with the pre-trial chamber

ikaw yung keeps mentioning the hearing at 1 hr 45 mins—ikaw dapat magbigay ng link ng video clip, kasi ikaw yung nagsasabi na sinabi ng gobyerno na blue yung notice. Wala akong nakita sa reports na ganyan.

haha di ka marunong mag navigate ng video to a specific time?

 

[Lerold]

You still confused ka kung bakit walang red notice, so let’s break it down para mas malinaw, parang sa 10th grader level, ha? Gagamit ako ng group chat example para madali maintindihan.

1. Sino yung may arrest warrant? Imagine yung ICC bilang principal ng school. Sila yung nagsabi na si Duterte may kasalanan (crimes against humanity sa drug war), kaya sila nag-issue ng arrest warrant nung March 7, 2025. Sila yung may authority na magsabi na hulihin si Duterte, hindi Interpol.
2. Ano yung role ng Interpol? Si Interpol parang admin ng group chat ng mga pulis sa buong mundo. Hindi sila yung nag-decide na hulihin si Duterte—sila yung tumulong lang i-spread yung message na “Hulihin si Duterte kasi may warrant galing ICC.” Sa case na to, diffusion notice ang ginamit, hindi red notice.
3. Ano yung red notice at diffusion notice? Red notice parang public announcement sa group chat na “Hulihin si Duterte!” para makita ng lahat. Diffusion notice naman parang private message sa group chat, like “Uy, Philippines, hulihin mo si Duterte kasi may warrant galing ICC.” Pareho silang valid para i-coordinate yung arrest, pero yung diffusion notice ang ginamit dito.
4. Bakit okay lang kahit walang red notice? Kasi yung arrest warrant galing ICC ang importante, hindi yung message ng Interpol. Si Interpol yung messenger lang, pero si ICC yung may authority. Kaya legal pa rin yung arrest kahit diffusion notice lang.

Proprio motu—meaning the prosecutor can start a preliminary examination without authorization, which happened nung Feb 2018 to look into the drug war’s extrajudicial killings. Authorization is for the formal investigation (2021), pero yung preliminary phase, hindi kailangan yun, kaya may jurisdiction sila over 2011-2019

ikaw yung keeps mentioning the hearing at 1 hr 45 mins—ikaw dapat magbigay ng link ng video clip, kasi ikaw yung nagsasabi na sinabi ng gobyerno na blue yung notice. Wala akong nakita sa reports na ganyan.


may issue talaga sa fairness ng ICC, kasi mahina sila sa powerful countries like the US. Pero sa case ni Duterte, may jurisdiction sila kasi member tayo nung 2011-2019, kaya sakop yung drug war.

Tungkol kay Remulla, pareho nga yung sinabi niya—walang kaso pero hindi rin umuusad. Para sa akin, yung “hindi umuusad” ang malinaw na proof na failed yung system, kaya ICC ang tumuloy.

Agree ako na kung may report, dapat may hearing locally—paano sa tingin mo natin masigurong magkakaroon ng transparent na hearing dito

EU bombing di lang US, so kung kaya nila mamili, then we dont need EUcc na lalo its more good for them than good for us