PHUS troops withdrawing? Allowing China to exploit Afghanistan's Rare Minerals Worth Up To $3 Trillion?
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🔒 Closed Rare earth metals in Afghanistan were estimated to be worth anywhere between $1 trillion and $3 trillion in 2020.
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Pagkakaalam ko hindi sa pinabayaan ng america yung afghanistan, Naging kampante kasi yung afghanistan, Inasa nila yung militar power nila doon, Tinuruan na rin sila ng training, Pero di nila inapply.
Pagkakaalam ko hindi sa pinabayaan ng america yung afghanistan, Naging kampante kasi yung afghanistan, Inasa nila yung militar power nila doon, Tinuruan na rin sila ng training, Pero di nila inapply.
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US troops are withdrawing because it is already their time to leave Afghanistan as they initially planned it on June 2011 (c/o Obama Administration). The time of Bin Laden's death marked the end of their struggle with the Talibans, though mainly with Al Qaeda because of the 9/11 attacks. From 2011 to present, they only prepared slowly for their exit - thru negotiations, limiting the strength of Al Qaeda and its jihad groups, and preparating the host government to stand on their own internal conflicts. They have no reason to be there anymore. That's the simplest answer I could give.
The wealth they left is Afghanistan's business, to be frank.
For Afghanistan, it is an opportunity to restore stability in the region using this wealth from allied partners like China, Pakistan, Russia etc. So what does it tell us. China will advance its resources as the next leading superpower in the near future. As long as it benefits their country's economy (from industrialization, trade, investment, and international cooperation) and avoid the same mistake as Russia and the US, it can happen. Right now, China is still recognizing itself as a developing country, projecting its power abroad using its massive Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) - the New Silk Road from Asia to Europe. And they are succeeding.
The wealth they left is Afghanistan's business, to be frank.
For Afghanistan, it is an opportunity to restore stability in the region using this wealth from allied partners like China, Pakistan, Russia etc. So what does it tell us. China will advance its resources as the next leading superpower in the near future. As long as it benefits their country's economy (from industrialization, trade, investment, and international cooperation) and avoid the same mistake as Russia and the US, it can happen. Right now, China is still recognizing itself as a developing country, projecting its power abroad using its massive Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) - the New Silk Road from Asia to Europe. And they are succeeding.
bananamilk
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Very rare ang nag lalapag ng opinion na may sense when it comes to China. The Chinese chose soft power, choosing to invest in the country intead of bombahin ang mga technically kalahi lang din ng nga Afghani. Historically the use of economics will penetrate and integrate more sa local population vs armas.
High risk kasi na investment ang Afghanistan at its only the Chinese who are crazy enough and have enough money to burn to enter a literal war zone.
Tsaka may experience ang China in exploiting natural resources. Case in point African nations. Sobrang daming documentary about human rights abuses and child labor na ginagawa about Chinese businesses in African nations pero these documentaries FAIL TO ADDRESS the fact na b4 the Chinese came etong mga inaaping manggagawa were literally jobless. Asan yung compassion nung wala pa ang China
. So pili ka. Hard labor or No job at all. I'm sure the same thing will happen to Afghanistan.Mas diplomatic and definitely mas beneficial ang pera kaysa patuloy na makipg gyera. In the first place mali ang ginawang invasion ng US/allied forces sa Iraq at Afghanistan.
You are right. China's new government is making a new era of taking the center stage in the world, which is making it difficult for its foreign counterpart strategists to perceive. It's obvious to see their intentions about regional primacy, achieving well-executed economic, geopolitical and diplomatic objectives together with creation of bases and logistical facilities outside its mainland - similar but way different than the US has done in the past but with no longstanding "FORCE" involved! It's like it is building its strength in and outside its domain, avoiding mistakes, and evolving naturally as a "superpower" when the time comes. The truth is, they have a working but unpredictable strategy. And we know it.
Very rare ang nag lalapag ng opinion na may sense when it comes to China. The Chinese chose soft power, choosing to invest in the country intead of bombahin ang mga technically kalahi lang din ng nga Afghani. Historically the use of economics will penetrate and integrate more sa local population vs armas.
High risk kasi na investment ang Afghanistan at its only the Chinese who are crazy enough and have enough money to burn to enter a literal war zone.
Tsaka may experience ang China in exploiting natural resources. Case in point African nations. Sobrang daming documentary about human rights abuses and child labor na ginagawa about Chinese businesses in African nations pero these documentaries FAIL TO ADDRESS the fact na b4 the Chinese came etong mga inaaping manggagawa were literally jobless. Asan yung compassion nung wala pa ang China
Mas diplomatic and definitely mas beneficial ang pera kaysa patuloy na makipg gyera. In the first place mali ang ginawang invasion ng US/allied forces sa Iraq at Afghanistan.
bananamilk
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Active defense strategy is being employed by China right now. They're no longer just merchants. They're merchants who are preparing for any type of aggression. Stockpiling not just economic resources but also political power. Well positioned ang chess pieces ng China in the global scale.
Grabeh ang patience ng mga Chinese. They're in for the long game.
TS said na suspicious ang move ng US in leaving Afghanistan to China. I personally don't think so. China has economic and political agenda that is very clear. China is not a communist country by definition kasi ang political model nila is political authoritarian and since it started trading with the world its philosophy has been capitalism. So viewing China as a mere communist country is very dangerous. A lot of people think na paper tiger lang ang China (my self included LMAO) pero ang benchmarks nila very strong. Nagpapayaman at nagpapalakas ng influence obviously. Aim ata nila maging #1 sa lahat
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He he. China is a socialist republic run by a one-party communist dictatorship - an authoritarian regime!Active defense strategy is being employed by China right now. They're no longer just merchants. They're merchants who are preparing for any type of aggression. Stockpiling not just economic resources but also political power. Well positioned ang chess pieces ng China in the global scale.
Grabeh ang patience ng mga Chinese. They're in for the long game.
TS said na suspicious ang move ng US in leaving Afghanistan to China. I personally don't think so. China has economic and political agenda that is very clear. China is not a communist country by definition kasi ang political model nila is political authoritarian and since it started trading with the world its philosophy has been capitalism. So viewing China as a mere communist country is very dangerous. A lot of people think na paper tiger lang ang China (my self included LMAO) pero ang benchmarks nila very strong. Nagpapayaman at nagpapalakas ng influence obviously. Aim ata nila maging #1 sa lahat
Suspicious or not, my answer remains the same, similar to what I already said on the last post and another thread.
https://phcorner.org/threads/afghanistan-right-now.1147265/#post-20349071
It's a very costly, endless and hopeless war for the US. A waste of time, money, resources and lives which the American public dislike. It's already implied here.
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The US already knows the consequences when they planned to leave Afghanistan even way back in 2011. If you remember, Obama's 2011 policy of "Pivot to Asia", is a shift of policy at that period clearly to ease China's influence especially at the South China Sea. But sadly, they stayed a decade longer fighting the Talibans. (This gave me a hint.)
China's good relation with Afghanistan (the host government) has been there for years, and they're already exploiting most of those minerals mentioned while the US was there. It's nothing new. China is the leading investor in Afghanistan! It's just an advantage to China as it shares borders with Afghanistan, at the center of the Silk Road. and maintaining peace between its borders - Pakistan (his close ally), Tajikistan...It's like China won the lottery in the eyes of the world, but the new government is not stable yet. With China, Russia, Pakistan, India, Iran working side-by-side in an uncertain political environment with the Talibans, we can't be sure on how the Talibans will control the old followers of the deported president, the ethnic tribes and warlords, and Al Qaeda+jihad groups all in one place. (Kaya nga sa news ang termino nila dyan ngayon ay Pandora's Box). Let's leave that for a moment and wait. Anything goes pa.
As I was hinted by Barrack Obama (he he), knowing the US, they'll concentrate more on areas they had neglected, saving their resources and being productive. I'm talking about the active "Quadrilateral Security Dialogue" - a sort of military alliance which some called Asian NATO.
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Change of strategy and location - the Asia-Pacific or Indo-Pacific.
It's similar to "Pivot to Asia" but with a lot of member countries in many parts of the world. Their concept is (and I quote):
Next attraction yan as China knows about it too.
bananamilk
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Very interesting ang China model of politics. It's market capitalism and private ownership centers around foreign investments which makes for a very flexible way of earning money. Higop lahat ng sources of possible revenue. China does not rely on existing status quo they're constantly looking for more hence mining in Afghanistan. Previous contracts nila were revoked so d katataka umalis ang US they want to continue where business left of.
You can remove India on the belt road project kasi the border between Afghanistan and India is controlled by Pakistan. Yung dam-building mania ng China is a huge threat in the region. I feel like India and China will always be on the opposite sides lalo na they have a long standing dispute sa Himalayan borders.
As for the geopolitical moves ng china in the South China sea, more than securing resources or owning territory, I think the biggest consideration is securing the trading routes. The belt road moving towards the middle east is another trade route China is willing to spend billions on para lang ma secure. China will not let itself be closed off kasi trading is literally China's lifeline.
As for the Quad Security, the presence of naval power in the area eh lugi ang Pilipinas jan if you think about it carefully. We are an Archipelagic nation. Ang FONOPS of foreign countries eh direct threat and a challenge to our claim on Archipelagic waters. LOL dapat walang innocent passage for grey vessels but our beloved kababayans rejoice pag may warship ang US napapadaan sa wps. Hay I digress
.To me, without digging further on the details of the power struggle of these entities, China is on the upper-hand in terms of condition and capability to deal with whatever it likes. Assuming the trackers are right, China has no problems with the pandemic, even supplying the vaccines for the world - a big factor.Very interesting ang China model of politics. It's market capitalism and private ownership centers around foreign investments which makes for a very flexible way of earning money. Higop lahat ng sources of possible revenue. China does not rely on existing status quo they're constantly looking for more hence mining in Afghanistan. Previous contracts nila were revoked so d katataka umalis ang US they want to continue where business left of.
You can remove India on the belt road project kasi the border between Afghanistan and India is controlled by Pakistan. Yung dam-building mania ng China is a huge threat in the region. I feel like India and China will always be on the opposite sides lalo na they have a long standing dispute sa Himalayan borders.
As for the geopolitical moves ng china in the South China sea, more than securing resources or owning territory, I think the biggest consideration is securing the trading routes. The belt road moving towards the middle east is another trade route China is willing to spend billions on para lang ma secure. China will not let itself be closed off kasi trading is literally China's lifeline.
As for the Quad Security, the presence of naval power in the area eh lugi ang Pilipinas jan if you think about it carefully. We are an Archipelagic nation. Ang FONOPS of foreign countries eh direct threat and a challenge to our claim on Archipelagic waters. LOL dapat walang innocent passage for grey vessels but our beloved kababayans rejoice pag may warship ang US napapadaan sa wps. Hay I digress
India plays a key role counter-acting China's rise in power in the "regions" as they are also one of the original pillars of the "Quad" - with US, Japan, Australia + the rest of its allies. But it's sad that they are now called "the weakest link" (though not entirely true) because the program (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.) didn't go as planned, as India is facing the worst crisis with the pandemic - a hiccup. Like in every chess game, every board piece has his role to play until it ends, and waits for a second chance after a game reset, including each "players". That's how it is - better luck next time.
Since we're talking about the "Quad", their main goal should be to broaden its network of "cooperating" partners in the Indo-Pacific region especially the counterclaimants (like Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines) in the South China Sea (SCS) to try changing the "status quo" in this region - rather than only a power struggle. We can't avoid "great power rivalry" in the region, as we're caught in the middle of it, since we need order and balance. It is a complex and complicated international effort to address a range of pressing problems that are inherently transnational in nature and thus requiring a broad, multilateral response. We need an effective international cooperation to resolve this, adding to the present threats of many issues like this pandemic, climate change, terrorism, conflicts in the Middle East, etc. Without it, we'll still continue facing a disordered, conflicting and gridlocked international system that is hard to fix.
For us, we need to stand for our own interests. And we need to embrace the risks. Since we have no capability to stand alone, we need to take a "side" first to make it happen. We have no enemy, but only disputes to solve - with China. But our fellow Asian neighbors should also be "one" with the cause as each country's SCS disputes overlap with the problematic You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. and the "Baseline of Chinese Territorial Seas" maps they and ROC (Taiwan) are still using. The answers depend on how our government respond to this. Right now, we're on a "neutral" corner whining on social media, wasting money on ineffective 2nd hand military items just for "show", endless diplomatic visits at PRC, relying on international laws (via UNCLOS invalidating the 9-Line) with no enforcement (only on paper), etc.....with not much effect on China's continues îllégâl presence in our EEZ's.
What more can I say.
bananamilk
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I agree China is indeed in better position kasi in most countries China has investments or even trades that weaker economies cannot do without.
India, sadly, at the moment is not China' s match. China has no problems engaging in trade wars with the US. The recent restrictions on barley and other imports ng Australia is another sign that China is not scared of loosing trading partners if they can secure trading routes. Goes to show that trading route is more important rather than trading partners.
I have low hopes for Quad nmn personally
. We have simulated for class some positions of claimant countries with Quad as a factor. Sadly sobrang madugo ang interpellation because Quad will always prioritize themselves and their interests over the claimant countries. (Unless this changes which is almost impossible) lugi ang weakest position which is tayo Philippines and other poor nations when you add Quad to the equation. Even in a class setting we could already see na pampagulo ang Quad to the equation to be honest. If 1 or 2 players gets more support from Quad the other players will positions will SUFFERRRRRRRR. Someone gotta give ika nga to change the status quo . Eto nmn ang admittedly very unpopular stand ko
. I personally believe na diplomatic talks with China is the best way. Gain as much leverage as we can while we can. You seem to have the position na nakakasura na ang magpa cute sa China but leme tell you in diplomacy your pride is nothing and patience is everything. Nasabi ko na rin yung piece of paper thingy without enforcement b4 in this very forum. Wala ata naniwala that the UNCLOS arbitral tribunal has have zero police and nada army for its decision to be effective.
I'm still in the position that we should not rely on countries that conduct FONOPS. I consider that dangerous to our position. I'd rather we invest in our own military and coast guard but true yung second hand equipment
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Remember, this is just for a friendly discussion and not my area of knowledge. So bear with me. Ginawa kong spoiler dahil solely sa last response mo lang ito and it ends here.I agree China is indeed in better position kasi in most countries China has investments or even trades that weaker economies cannot do without.
India, sadly, at the moment is not China' s match. China has no problems engaging in trade wars with the US. The recent restrictions on barley and other imports ng Australia is another sign that China is not scared of loosing trading partners if they can secure trading routes. Goes to show that trading route is more important rather than trading partners.
I have low hopes for Quad nmn personally
Eto nmn ang admittedly very unpopular stand ko
Nasabi ko na rin yung piece of paper thingy without enforcement b4 in this very forum. Wala ata naniwala that the UNCLOS arbitral tribunal has have zero police and nada army for its decision to be effective.
I'm still in the position that we should not rely on countries that conduct FONOPS. I consider that dangerous to our position. I'd rather we invest in our own military and coast guard but true yung second hand equipment
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