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Sanay na kami dito.

 

[alist1986]

Same here. Basta aware ka at updated sa mga nangyayari mula kwentong kutsero he, he hanggang totoong balita, masasanay ka na normal yung pag-iisip kahit pa may ganitong trahedya sa paligid. Life adjustment lang ang kailangan at good common sense. Nasa "survival mode" na kasi tayo kaya "fight" or "flight" response lang muna prioritizing health and safety.

Ang tagal na nito sa buhay natin kaya yung basic understanding ng COVID-19 ay dapat "common knowledge" na, hindi yung nagtataka ka pa hanggang ngayon patungkol dito. Mula noong dumating si "patient zero" dito sa Pilipinas, hanggang may dumating na bagong mga variants, meron na dapat tayong idea sa mga maaaring mangyari. ( Kung yung ubo at sipon na may gamot ay laging nakakalusot kapag "in season", COVID pa kaya kung nag-umpisa nang kumalat? Yung vaccine-induced immunity ay matagalan at maramihan pang ibabahagi bago ito magbigay ng resulta, kaya "containment" lamang yung baka-sakaling may "pag-asa" na makapigil ng kaunti via ECQ, na mas maluwag pa kaysa dati. Knowing this, expect that it will be extended dahil di makukuha yan ng isang linggo lang. Ilang beses na yang nangyari kada may bagong variant. Ang totoo, we're just trying with no exact guarantee.)

May headstart na tayo; alam na natin ang epekto sa ibang mga bansa, kaya parehas din yung effect nyan marahil sa atin ngayong narito na. Sa Indonesia, na di hamak na nauna pa sa atin ng ilang milyon sa pagbabakuna (though mas doble pa ang dami ng populasyon kaysa sa atin) ay mga 1.5 months bago nakabawi, senyales yan na yung yung first weeks ay similar yung initial effects ng infection surge sa atin. Kumpara din natin yung kakayahan at kundisyon nila kaysa sa atin, halos di naman naglalayo, kaya may paunang babala na ito sa maaaring resulta para handa tayo. ( Expected na "tsunami of infections" ang darating ngayong nandito na si B.1.617.2. Ganyan naman parati sa umpisa kahit saang bansa - check the COVID-19 world meters. Hindi lang natin alam kung ilan o kung saan yung mataas ang pinsala at kung kailan tayo makakabawi. ) Kaya for monitoring na lang yung balita para sa data "specifics" and information results. Yung sinasabi naman ng OCTA ay ingay na lang to press government and to incite public opinion. Yung data namang ginagamit nila ay galing din sa gobyerno, at open book naman yan sa publiko via DATADROP ng DOH at updated reports ng agencies connected sa IATF.

Yung strategy naman natin, para lang pagpili yan ng suitable chess opening lines (from 1 - 10 moves at the most), pagdating sa dulo nyan, anything goes na. Kaya kung napaghandaan nating mabuti yung ating kalaban (Delta variant) for our next best moves, we'll have a chance of winning or a draw. Hope for the best na lang since our options are limited.

Ang focus dapat natin yung lifestyle shifts and sustainable living na kaya nating gawin habang yung epekto ng COVID-19 ay nandito pa. Just know the laws and comply with your area regulations, not unless it violates your rights.

Monitor the price list of present commodities to use your budget wisely, check the locations and schedule of food sources sa area ninyo. Manage it for savings.
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Make your own food, masks, learn the art of selling goods you produce or just use your talent to earn. Buy only what is necessary. Do something productive rather than whine on what is happening in the news. Explore the outdoors, sa lugar na di kailangan ng "social distancing" para di kayo mabagot. Socialize wisely! Think of other ways to maintain a normal life independently. If the worst hit you, accept it and move on. These are hard times, so we must remain positive.......

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[bananamilk]

I'm not blaming Duts and his admin for covid kasi this is a global pandemic however I am blaming him for the policies on covid.

I don't blame them for the spread kasi it's people who spread covid. If people are careful and responsible enough hindi ganun kagrabeh ang local transmission ng covid. People sana have awareness kaysa gawin headband or chin mask ang mask at faceshield..... Hindi kasalanan lahat ng govt kasi people are contributor sa spread.

Pero I blame Duts and Duqs for allowing international travel and being incapable of controlling the people they allowed into the country. I understand economy needs to move pero kung ganito na naka lockdown wala din mangyayari sa economy. Kung sobrang higpit ng inbound travel hindi na sana tayo kailangan ng kung ano anong CQ classification kung sa inbound travellers palang na stop na nila. Hayst. Inutilsssssss

 

[alist1986]

bananamilk​

Dagdag ko dyan sa sinabi mo, ang isang malaking problema ng mga gobyerno sa mundo (lalo na rito) sa panahon ng krisis ay yung "social control". Kapag mahina ang tiwala ng karamihan ng mamamayan sa "voluntary compliance" ng mga mahahalagang hakbang o protocols ng gobyerno tulad sa COVID-19 ay malabong magtagumpay sila kahit pa gamitan man ng "government enforcement" o hindi.

Ang daming "factors, reasons, and causes" kung bakit galing sa bawat panig, kaya watak-watak ang pananaw ng tao at gobyerno kung papaano ito harapin. Walang pagkakaisa para maibsan yung problema kahit alam ng lahat na wala pang malinaw na panlunas at pag-intindi sa kalabang nakahahawa at pabagu-bagong sakit. Kaya nga ito naging "global crisis" kahit mababa naman yung "death rate".
Sa EUA vaccine-immunity pa lang pahirapan pa.

Dapat lang na efficient scientific pandemic response ang paiiralin with less emphasis on ideology. Nahihirapan tayo sa ganitong klase ng "preparedness" dahil din sa lack of experience and qualified personnel. DU30 picked, maintained the wrong leaders and experts not suited for the job. Lumabo tuloy yung policies at decision making schemes niya. Kita mo't namamaluktot na yung dila ni Panelo hanggang kay Roque he he. Sa ibang areas of governance, they pass. But on this case, their leadership didn't go out well.

Sa mga CQ natin, standard kasi yan talaga depende sa severity. Yung ECQ (lockdown) naman ay on a limited time period lang. ECQ na din kami noong Aug. 6 pa pero wala namang halos nagbago. Mas mahigpit lang siguro sa ibang areas like Metro Manila dahil sa surge. Pero sa'kin, panahon na rin para bigyan ng laya yung economy na umangat internally ngayong may vaccines na. Starting with big to "able" companies, help them get a license to purchase vaccines out of their own pockets (assuring it's free for their employees) to gradually return with full force.
Ang trend din ngayon ng mga malalaking kumpanya ay yung makakuha ng ISO/PAS 45005 certification (COVID-19 Protocol Certification)....Mas mahigpit pa yan kaysa checkpoints sa audit!

 

[bananamilk]

alist1986 I'm aware nmn that delta/covid getting into the ph is not preventable kasi tao ang carrier at we have a lot of ROF and tourism is a huge part of our economy pero stricter measures sana to mitigate the spread. Pero hindi. Quarantine classifications, instead of tightened or at least maintained eh niluwagan because takot sa public opinion. Yung tagline ni Duts na kamay na bakal eh sana sa pandemic ginamit pero baka jan siya ma people power eh kasi freedom loving masyado ang mga pinoy takot na takot sa restrictions aka ayaw ng may disiplina. Trabaho ng estado ang pasunurin ang constituents nla. Hay namumulitika kasi ang lahat ng LGU dagdag sila sa pagkukulang ng national govt instead of nakakatulong. I'm actually just waiting na may umiiyak na parang martial law now kasi andaming pulis sa kalsada. The critiques are slow to pickup .


The public shares as much of the blame tbh kasi people right now are bored and just plain done. Parang ala ng paki ang karamihan, like yung OP, sanay na which is sad kasi this is a global pandemic. Complacency ang number 1 kalaban. Malingat lng ng konti it might be his loved ones na masali sa statistics na hindi pinaniwalaan ng OP.

 

[alist1986]

bananamilk​

Yung "kamay na bakal" ay figure of speech lang and may not apply in all cases like this "global case". Most democratic government are prone to "public opinion" unless tipong "authoritative" yan. That's its flaw when trust is low and there's a lot of complaints. Kaya nabuo yang mga CQs dahil sa influence din ng "netizens" at yung resulta ng pandemya sa paligid natin, mula din sa kamalian ng ilan na di pa natin maitama. It's a complex mixture of successes and faults on the part of government and its constituents. The only thing we know is we're still failing as a whole or haven't found the right solution. Who does? Opposition parties? Congress? Senate? WHO? No one.

Since ang tao ay nakabase sa global at local events, any small assumed mistake on the part of government (intentional or unintentional depending upon what they see or hear) creates media hype - an endless loop. Alam ng lahat na natural "unseen" phenomenon yang mode of transmission ng virus, na di pa masyadong kilala and the known mitigation "preventive" protocols at present are our only options. There's still a lot of information needed to understand the virus itself and how it spreads so quickly these days. Madaling intindihin yung basic protocols and other directives pero mahirap i-implement - You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.. One mistake creates a chain reaction, whether its virus related, a flawed policy, misinformation, etc. Gumugulo rin kapag may revisions yung LGU/DILG na di alam ng kanilang sinasakupan. Malaking problema rin yung dissemination of information ng DOH/IATF/LGU/DILG kaya sangkaterbang tanungan pa rin yung tinatanggap nila kahit nakalatag na yung mga EOs/directives. As an example, people are still flocking vaccination centers even if in reality you only walk-in "as per schedule basis" upon application as per "Vaccine Recipient Process Flow" guidelines. Pati mismong DOH-IATF safety guidelines hindi nasunod. Anticipated na dapat yan noon pa and they should have planned alternatives when it happens and who's assigned to correct it rather than blame it on "fake news". It's an organizational failure ng DOH, IATF, DILG, even PNP at di lang LGUs. Ilang beses na yang nangyari. Something's wrong.

Sa sinabi mong travel restrictions: You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., somewhere along the line ay may nakalusot talaga, similar to what happened last year concerning returning Filipino workers + tourists. Because as long as there is travel, there's always a risk no matter how strict they are. Mas maluwag pa sa local movement. Kaya nandito na si Delta at yung iba pa. Medyo nahuli lang yung dating niya compared to our neighboring countries. Kaya darating at darating yan sa ayaw at gusto natin since we can't totally ban travel like these countries and territories - You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. .
Di tayo katulad nila. Kaya kung may darating pang mas contagious dyan sa mundo, expect the same scenario and be prepared na lang.

Arguing doesn't help nowadays. As I said before, proper response is the key. But our restrictions has its limitation. So, use the numbers (covid trackers) as a tool for monitoring, let the gov't do their job (even if it sucks to most of us) while keeping ourselves safe. Be patient, hope that we hold off the surge. It's becoming "common" the way I see it. And we have to try adjusting to normal living with it - avoiding the threat with the help of government or not.

Most will not agree with me. May kanya-kanya tayong pananaw kung papaano tayo mamuhay sa kahit anong sakuna. Merong mahinang umunawa, di kayang mag-isa, madaling madala sa balita at may iba namang handa at nakakaintindi ng sitwasyon mag-isa.. Sa'kin, each contribution counts till majority follows correctly. Make your choice to discipline ourselves, learn to cope with life experiences, and never stop trying, that's all.

 

[alist1986]

Since "What else is new" itong thread, dagdag ko na lang yung infos sa mga nalalabuan pa rin sa "viral" na sakit sa ngayon - COVID-19. Though this is "old" info about all vaccines in the general sense, it maybe "new" to those misguided!

Regarding complaints about the vaccines:
- Even if present present vaccines are still under EUA (Emergency Use Authority), they are still safe and effective for the "general public" no matter how high or low their efficacies and effectiveness are. We may avoid reinfection or be reinfected with less complications.

- Only in rare cases where people have life-threatening illnesses are vaccines restricted. For this special case, you'll need a "doctor's advice" to be vaccinated or not! All vaccines (like smallpox, polio, measles, dengue, etc.) trigger certain allergic reactions or the like to certain individuals. There's no perfect science in vaccines, but only a general understanding on their provided safety sheets. The fear of vaccines lies on how people understand it from their source of information (media, newspapers, tv, the net...), and the way government answers public complaints. Avoiding black box decision-making and providing clear transparent information might make the citizens gain the trust and increase compliance to the government health directives. Or else, majority will be carried by fake news and conspiracy theories which is common nowadays. I said "might" because it also depends on how majority of Filipinos trust (politically and scientifically) the authority of our government. That's the key.

- Since COVID-19 vaccines can possibly create side effects (like disease flares) on some weak individuals, it is mandatory to have proper screening and honestly tell all about your health conditions - severe or not. You also need to be observed/monitored after injection to be sure of possible adverse effects that may arise. Example cases are those people with rheumatic/musculoskeletal disease, autoimmune/inflammatory diseases and taking drugs "contraindicated" on the vaccine database (if any). Again, a "doctor's advice" is needed. But most non-severe cases of comorbidities are still safe to be vaccinated.

- They do not get you infected of the virus thru vaccination as the vaccine contains a harmless antigen only similar to the spike protein to activate your "adaptive immune system". The "immune response" of your body is what makes you feel sick when your immune system starts to function attacking the antigens to overcome it.

- The vaccines act like "ready to fight trained soldiers" (in the form of antibodies) in our immune system so that it can already identify and "counter" the virus instantly when it enters our body and initiate infection of cells. (With antibodies present, you don't need to wait for weeks for the antibodies to be manufactured from the bone marrow cells when the virus arrives and rely on on the killing and healing of virus replicating cells only. A complete immune system is already able and ready in real time with additional neutralization and eradication of the virus.)

- Vaccination-induce immunity (VII) estimates occur approx. 2 - 3 weeks after vaccination. That's the protection you get from a vaccine after this period. Without it, it will take longer for our immune system to fight-off the foreign "unknown" pathogen. That's why it protects us from having complications and death. For COVID-19 natural immunity (as per latest study), within 2 - 4 weeks following infection, 90-99% of individuals infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus develop detectable neutralizing antibodies - almost the same as VII.

- Vaccines act as long-term protection from the "same antigen" as your T-cells and B-cells (the white blood cells from our bone marrow) already had a memory of it to create new antibodies - as antibody levels for that specific antigen disappear thru time. But a new variant of viruses (from the similar gene) makes our immune system a little less effective from them at a certain degree. But that doesn't mean we are not protected from possible reinfection. We still are, however how low it is. Thus, we may need boost shots from new vaccine updates on a later period when our antibodies disappear. (Note: Though protected, vaccinated individuals who are reinfected can transmit the virus to others - or as carriers. That's the problem, especially when new variants appear faster than existing (approved/distributed) versions of the vaccines. It only protects the individual. So best practice is continue with the same preventive measures to save yourselves and others from COVID-19. You know the drill! )

- Young, normal and healthy individuals don't really need the vaccines if the reason is to recover and withstand the infection. A high percentage of us recover. The problem is, the highly contagious virus spreads unnoticed/unaccounted if most infected have none to minor symptoms without knowing they had the virus. Any communicable disease spreading like wildfire without control (even with low death rate) is a health risk and must be dealt with immediate action. We have to be concerned, especially for the vulnerable and accept the consequences.

- Vaccinations are not mandatory, unless it is required in your workplace or entering a private/public establishment - for health reasons. It's already creating inconsistencies and discriminatory consequences in the private and public sector. The worst case scenario will be, if it is made into a law. We don't want that.

- Vaccinations are priorities of our health system as preventive measures (not curative actions) only to persuade the public, and it's up to each individual to accept it or not. But an outbreak of a virus lingering for a long time affecting people's lives and way of life makes us think that it is necessary. If you're in a secluded area (protected by isolation), it's OK not to join this medical procedure. But if you're living within the location of the threat of the disease and anyone of your family is highly at risk to get severe complications from the virus, then it's time to think about it. The virus is still changing, hard to stop and a cure is nowhere in sight. Instead of waiting for people to outlive/survive after infection and get natural immunity, we use forced immunity using vaccines to make it easy for the rest of us to have a a certain degree of protection from infection and transmission, saving unlucky people from death, and increasing our chances of returning to normal living with or without the virus. That's the logic why we need vaccinations.

 

[Hapahopi]

Since "What else is new" itong thread, dagdag ko na lang yung infos sa mga nalalabuan pa rin sa "viral" na sakit sa ngayon - COVID-19. Though this is "old" info about all vaccines in the general sense, it maybe "new" to those misguided!

Regarding complaints about the vaccines:
- Even if present present vaccines are still under EUA (Emergency Use Authority), they are still safe and effective for the "general public" no matter how high or low their efficacies and effectiveness are. We may avoid reinfection or be reinfected with less complications. All vaccines have this same understanding.

- Only in rare cases where people have life-threatening illnesses are vaccines restricted. For this special case, you'll need a "doctor's advice" to be vaccinated or not! All vaccines (like smallpox, polio, measles, dengue, etc.) trigger certain allergic reactions or the like to certain individuals. There's no perfect science in vaccines, but only a general understanding on their provided safety sheets. The fear of vaccines lies in how people understand it from their source of information (media, newspapers, tv, the net...), and the way government answers public complaints. Avoiding black box decision-making and providing clear transparent information might make the citizens gain the trust and increase compliance to the government health directives. Or else, majority will be carried by fake news and conspiracy theories which is common nowadays. I said "might" because it also depends on how majority of Filipinos trust (politically and scientifically) the authority of our government. That's the key.

- Since COVID-19 vaccines can possibly create side effects (like disease flares) on some weak individuals, it is mandatory to have proper screening and honestly tell all about your health conditions - severe or not. You also need to be observed/monitored after injection to be sure of possible adverse effects that may arise. Example cases are those people with rheumatic/musculoskeletal disease, autoimmune/inflammatory diseases and taking drugs "contraindicated" on the vaccine database (if any). Again, a "doctor's advice" is needed. But most non-severe cases of comorbidities are still safe to be vaccinated.

- They do not get you infected of the virus thru vaccination as the vaccine contains a harmless antigen only similar to the spike protein to activate your "adaptive immune system". The "immune response" of your body is what makes you feel sick when your immune system starts to function attacking the antigens to overcome it.

- The vaccines act like "ready to fight trained soldiers" (in the form of antibodies) in our immune system so that it can already identify and "counter" the virus instantly when it enters our body and initiate infection of cells. (With antibodies present, you don't need to wait for weeks for the antibodies to be manufactured from the bone marrow cells when the virus arrives and rely on on the killing and healing of virus replicating cells only. A complete immune system is already able and ready in real time with additional neutralization and eradication of the virus.)

- Vaccination-induce immunity (VII) estimates occur approx. 2 - 3 weeks after vaccination. That's the protection you get from a vaccine after this period. Without it, it will take longer for our immune system to fight-off the foreign "unknown" pathogen. That's why it protects us from having complications and death. For COVID-19 natural immunity (as per latest study), within 2 - 4 weeks following infection, 90-99% of individuals infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus develop detectable neutralizing antibodies - almost the same as VII.

- Vaccines act as long-term protection from the "same antigen" as your T-cells and B-cells (the white blood cells from our bone marrow) already had a memory of it to create new antibodies - as antibody levels for that specific antigen disappear thru time. But a new variant of viruses (from the similar gene) makes our immune system a little less effective from them at a certain degree. But that doesn't mean we are not protected from possible reinfection. We still are, however how low it is. Thus, we may need boost shots from new vaccine updates on a later period when our antibodies disappear.

- Young, normal and healthy individuals don't really need the vaccines if the reason is to recover and withstand the infection. A high percentage of us recover. The problem is, the highly contagious virus spreads unnoticed/unaccounted if most infected have none to minor symptoms without knowing they had the virus. Any communicable disease spreading like wildfire without control (even with low death rate) is a health risk and must be dealt with immediate action. We have to be concerned, especially for the vulnerable and accept the consequences.

- Vaccinations are not mandatory, unless it is required in your workplace or entering a private/public establishment - for health reasons. It's already creating inconsistencies and discriminatory consequences in the private and public sector. The worst case scenario will be, if it is made into a law. We don't want that.

- Vaccinations are priorities of our health system as preventive measures (not curative actions) only to persuade the public, and it's up to each individual to accept it or not. But an outbreak of a virus lingering for a long time affecting people's lives and way of life makes us think that it is necessary. If you're in a secluded area (protected by isolation), it's OK not to join this medical procedure. But if you're living within the location of the threat of the disease and anyone of your family is highly at risk to get severe complications from the virus, then it's time to think about it. The virus is still changing, hard to stop and a cure is nowhere in sight. Instead of waiting for people to outlive/survive after infection and get natural immunity, we use forced immunity using vaccines to make it easy for the rest of us to have a a certain degree of protection from infection and transmission, saving unlucky people from death, and increasing our chances of returning to normal living with or without the virus. That's the logic why we need vaccinations.

Maganda itong information na ibinigay mo. Mas mabuti pa mag-create ka ng bagong thread para dito.

 

[alist1986]

Maganda itong information na ibinigay mo. Mas mabuti pa mag-create ka ng bagong thread para dito.

No need po. Your thread title speaks for itself. I'll edit/update the post as long as it remains editable.
It just so happened that I'm interested to add something.
What I'm inciting is, people should try to be completely aware of all information, digging deeper in detail as much as our mind can comprehend until we understand the whole picture. Hindi yung basta na lang maniniwala at di siniyasat ng maigi. Mahirap, pero kailangan nating gawin para maliwanagan. Using the basic "5 Whys strategy" helps as a start, then go further using You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. for a more complex approach - optional only for those who understand the tool. You just need to train yourself at a young age to get used to it.