💡 Trivia Let Duterte run again as president -- Alvarez

A provision in the 1987 Constitution limits presidents to one fixed six-year term without reelection. The provision is an offshoot of the dictatorship of the late president Ferdinand Marcos Sr., who perpetuated himself in power for 20 years until his ouster in 1986. “The President shall not be eligible for any reelection,” the Constitution states. But Alvarez believes the prohibition refers only to consecutive presidential terms. “It refers to the sitting or incumbent president not allowed for reelection,” he stated.

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[ZummerSoltice]

pero bbm pa rin ako ayuko kay tatay digs mamatay tao,di man lang nya pinapatay mga drag lord eh gaya ni michael yang at iba pa

Gawin nyo munang drug lord si Michael Yang

 

[raja_andres517]

Comments show na Duterte power is gone. Gusto mag peoples power wala namang enough people. Pano pa magkakapower? Power grabbing lang gusto nyo.

 

[plhbg1]

Comments show na Duterte power is gone. Gusto mag peoples power wala namang enough people. Pano pa magkakapower? Power grabbing lang gusto nyo.

ehehe pero importante pa din ang opposition bossing, i would say let duterte exist

 

[Frustrated Burger]

Gawin nyo munang drug lord si Michael Yang

Naku naguhitan problema nito?

 

[apweelgorge]

genuine question lang po, if former president take the accountability sa lahat ng ngyare sa war on drugs ano pang inaantay ng congress para mag take ng action para ipakulong siya? tsaka bat parang highschool debate yung nasa quadcom nakakahiya.

 

[arsenal1205]

ok maging president si digongs ulit kapag mas kadikit na niya ang Amerika kaysa china.

 

[NOUGHT]

kaya po ba naban ka

Sabi ko bangag magdecision. Naintindihan mo ba?San banda sa sinabi ko di mo maintindihan. BANGAG MAGDECISION....since irrelevant na nanay mo na proud na proud kang lumusong sa baha...pwede ba introhan mo ng explanation sinasabi ng bago mong amo?

 

[buwitre]

walang manhid boss, both are claiming sila ang tama, it's a clash of ideologies

KAhit mali ideologies parin,ang tao kasi my pride kahit mali ipipilit parin natin na tama tayo,gagawa parin ng rason ma ipaglaban lang ang idol na politiko

 

[plhbg1]

KAhit mali ideologies parin,ang tao kasi my pride kahit mali ipipilit parin natin na tama tayo,gagawa parin ng rason ma ipaglaban lang ang idol na politiko

lol both parties can also claim na mali yung sa kabila, as i've said ideologies yan, walang tama o mali

 

[Frustrated Burger]

Walang ideology na pinaglalaban si dutae, ang pinaglalaban niya makaligtas siya at ang pamilya niya sa pagkakakulong dahil sa mga krimen na pinaggagawa nila noon
Mga pagpatay , pangungurakot at pagtraydor sa bayan na unti unti na nabubunyag ngayon, huwag ninyo iniiba ang tunay na issue, ang issue talaga dyan ay isang plain krimen lang yan na dapat e adress

 

[plhbg1]

Walang ideology na pinaglalaban si dutae, ang pinaglalaban niya makaligtas siya at ang pamilya niya sa pagkakakulong dahil sa mga krimen na pinaggagawa nila noon
Mga pagpatay , pangungurakot at pagtraydor sa bayan na unti unti na nabubunyag ngayon, huwag ninyo iniiba ang tunay na issue, ang issue talaga dyan ay isang plain krimen lang yan na dapat e adress

even criminals have an ideology na pinag lalaban bossing, di yan solo for good people only

 

[alist1986]

Ehhh? Ngayon ko lang nabasa ang balita at di ako updated sa news ngayon. Meron na palang ganyan - ala-Trump ba?
Ang sa akin, malinaw yung Article VII Section 4 ng ating Konstitusyon. At gumagawa lang ng kwento yang si Alvarez para lituhin ang isip ng tao.

Section 4. The President and the Vice-President shall be elected by direct vote of the people for a term of six years which shall begin at noon on the thirtieth day of June next following the day of the election and shall end at noon of the same date, six years thereafter. The President shall not be eligible for any re-election. No person who has succeeded as President and has served as such for more than four years shall be qualified for election to the same office at any time.

Sa huling statement ("at any time"), supalpal na yang si Alvarez! Di man siya perpekto sa mata ng lahat dahil sa kanyang ugali at proseso ng paglutas ng mga problema, I still admired DU30's other achievements, at para siyang ordinaryong Tatay na tulad ko, na walang paki/walang modo sa mundo kundi gawin yung pagiging hari ng tahanan kahit ano pa ang sabihin sa kanya he he. Pero wala ng pag-asa siyang kumandidato muli bilang presidente. Hindi na yan dapat pagtalunan pa! Bukod dyan, para na rin siyang si Biden because of age.

Harapin na lang niya yung complaints and give his best to overcome them if he can. Medyo hot topic kasi yang human rights at maingat dapat sa pagbigkas ng pananalita. Hahanapan ka ng butas pag nagkamali ka. Alam nyo naman ang media, yan ang business he he. Pero sa huli, malamang walang mangyayari dyan kundi isa na namang gulo or all-for-nothing! Parehas lang yung resulta niyan tulad ni Juan Ponce Enrile he he. Immune ang mga yan! Pagmasdan nyo rin yung dialogues sa mga hearings, matatawa ka sa kababawan. Walang proper quorum, professionalism, etc. coming from highly respectable individuals. Alam nyo na kaagad kung bakit!

Ang politika naman dito ay weather-weather lang. Malas mo kung mapag-initan ka after your term is finished. Masanay na kayo sa sarswela ng politika sa Pilipinas. Kahit si pareng bongbong, ganyan rin ang mararanasan paglampas ng term niya. "Get used to it" eka nga, dahil naging practice na yan dito noon pa man.

 

[plhbg1]

Ehhh? Ngayon ko lang nabasa ang balita at di ako updated sa news ngayon. Meron na palang ganyan - ala-Trump ba?
Ang sa akin, malinaw yung Article VII Section 4 ng ating Konstitusyon. At gumagawa lang ng kwento yang si Alvarez para lituhin ang isip ng tao.

Sa huling statement ("at any time"), supalpal na yang si Alvarez! Di man siya perpekto sa mata ng lahat dahil sa kanyang ugali at proseso ng paglutas ng mga problema, I still admired DU30's other achievements, at para siyang ordinaryong Tatay na tulad ko, na walang paki/walang modo sa mundo kundi gawin yung pagiging hari ng tahanan kahit ano pa ang sabihin sa kanya he he. Pero wala ng pag-asa siyang kumandidato muli bilang presidente. Hindi na yan dapat pagtalunan pa! Bukod dyan, para na rin siyang si Biden because of age.

Harapin na lang niya yung complaints and give his best to overcome them if he can. Medyo hot topic kasi yang human rights at maingat dapat sa pagbigkas ng pananalita. Hahanapan ka ng butas pag nagkamali ka. Alam nyo naman ang media, yan ang business he he. Pero sa huli, malamang walang mangyayari dyan kundi isa na namang gulo or all-for-nothing! Parehas lang yung resulta niyan tulad ni Juan Ponce Enrile he he. Immune ang mga yan! Pagmasdan nyo rin yung dialogues sa mga hearings, matatawa ka sa kababawan. Walang proper quorum, professionalism, etc. coming from highly respectable individuals. Alam nyo na kaagad kung bakit!

Ang politika naman dito ay weather-weather lang. Malas mo kung mapag-initan ka after your term is finished. Masanay na kayo sa sarswela ng politika sa Pilipinas. Kahit si pareng bongbong, ganyan rin ang mararanasan paglampas ng term niya. "Get used to it" eka nga, dahil naging practice na yan dito noon pa man.

magkaiba ang succeeded as president kesa dun sa elected as president bossing

 

[alist1986]

magkaiba ang succeeded as president kesa dun sa elected as president bossing

He he. Pwede nga yang argument, pero wala akong makitang basis niyan sa batas natin. Hinananap ko nga kung saan kinuha ni Alvarez yung katibayan to be fair. Sa bunganga lang ni Alvarez nanggaling yan sa ngayon.
Klaro naman yung nakalagay sa Article VII Section 4. Naka-full term na si Duterte - 6 yrs. yon. Tapos itong "No person who has succeeded as President and has served as such for more than four years shall be qualified for election to the same office at any time" reinforces the idea that a former President who has served a full term cannot seek re-election. Meaning, the Constitution does not provide exceptions for non-consecutive presidential terms or the prohibition on presidential re-election under the current constitution still applies.
Kung ikukumpara naman yung case sa dating presidente na si Joseph Estrada na tumakbo ulit noong 2010, nakalusot lang siya due to technicalities, and he only served as president for 2yrs and 5 months kaya eligible siya.
Kung bukas ang isip ng tao at alam ang batas, yung sinasabi ni Alvarez is just a political scheme for the "Dutertes" who are in the hot seat! Stay tuned na lang tayo sa mangyayari he he.

 

[plhbg1]

He he. Pwede nga yang argument, pero wala akong makitang basis niyan sa batas natin. Hinananap ko nga kung saan kinuha ni Alvarez yung katibayan to be fair. Sa bunganga lang ni Alvarez nanggaling yan sa ngayon.
Klaro naman yung nakalagay sa Article VII Section 4. Naka-full term na si Duterte - 6 yrs. yon. Tapos itong "No person who has succeeded as President and has served as such for more than four years shall be qualified for election to the same office at any time" reinforces the idea that a former President who has served a full term cannot seek re-election. Meaning, the Constitution does not provide exceptions for non-consecutive presidential terms or the prohibition on presidential re-election under the current constitution still applies.
Kung ikukumpara naman yung case sa dating presidente na si Joseph Estrada na tumakbo ulit noong 2010, nakalusot lang siya due to technicalities, and he only served as president for 2yrs and 5 months kaya eligible siya.
Kung bukas ang isip ng tao at alam ang batas, yung sinasabi ni Alvarez is just a political scheme for the "Dutertes" who are in the hot seat! Stay tuned na lang tayo sa mangyayari he he.

alvarez just took advantage of the silence ni constitution on whether consecutive and non-consecutive terms can be differentiated when enforcing the rule

 

[alist1986]

alvarez just took advantage of the silence ni constitution on whether consecutive and non-consecutive terms can be differentiated when enforcing the rule

"Thinking out of the box", I agree. Pero hanggang doon lang tayo, since panahon pa ni Fidel Ramos at hanggang kay DU30 ay alam natin na fixed na yung stance regarding this case hanggang sa Supreme Court - a president is not eligible for re-election. Sa ibang position pwede, as long as they follow similar rules regarding re-election on government positions. Ang pwede lang makapagbago dyan is through provisions/reforms via Constituent Assembly (via Senate and Congress), Constitutional Convention (or a similar variant like Charter Change) at Plebiscite (or People's Initiative). Yan lang isa sa tatlo ang paraan to change any amendment (or the entirety) in our Constitution, like a former president seeking for re-election - incumbent or not. Ito yung target ni Alvarez from his statements as I see it. Yan yung proseso to possibly make it happen. There is no way to circumvent it as of this time just by mere statements alone.

 

[plhbg1]

"Thinking out of the box", I agree. Pero hanggang doon lang tayo, since panahon pa ni Fidel Ramos at hanggang kay DU30 ay alam natin na fixed na yung stance regarding this case hanggang sa Supreme Court - a president is not eligible for re-election. Sa ibang position pwede, as long as they follow similar rules regarding re-election on government positions. Ang pwede lang makapagbago dyan is through provisions/reforms via Constituent Assembly (via Senate and Congress), Constitutional Convention (or a similar variant like Charter Change) at Plebiscite (or People's Initiative). Yan lang isa sa tatlo ang paraan to change any amendment (or the entirety) in our Constitution, like a former president seeking for re-election - incumbent or not. Ito yung target ni Alvarez from his statements as I see it. Yan yung proseso to possibly make it happen. There is no way to circumvent it as of this time just by mere statements alone.

hehe power of suggestion yan kasi, just keep pointing out the loopholes until fix arrives, ilalaban pa yan sa korte and if proven na meron loophole then an action must be done, gaya din nung substitution technique which matagal ding na-exploit bago inaksyonan

 

[alist1986]

hehe power of suggestion yan kasi, just keep pointing out the loopholes until fix arrives, ilalaban pa yan sa korte and if proven na meron loophole then an action must be done, gaya din nung substitution technique which matagal ding na-exploit bago inaksyonan

He he. Thanks for reminding. Our judicial system has also the power for that too (for checks and balance) if this plea is heard officially. But since that law was amended noong 1987 Constitution pa with the intention of restricting Martial Law powers and limiting terms of elected officials as well as fixing its meaning, dim yung chance just because of a grammar controversy loophole. Parang sinabi na walang bisa yung 1986 aftermath, di ba? Kaya nga lumabas yung mga attempts/plans to amend the constitution to include lifting of term limits of public officials from the era of FVR (carter change) - DU30 (federalism), because they can't overrule the term limits. Parang cat and mouse game yung nangyayari.

May the best man/woman win na lang sa kanila he he.

 

[plhbg1]

He he. Thanks for reminding. Our judicial system has also the power for that too (for checks and balance) if this plea is heard officially. But since that law was amended noong 1987 Constitution pa with the intention of restricting Martial Law powers and limiting terms of elected officials as well as fixing its meaning, dim yung chance just because of a grammar controversy loophole. Parang sinabi na walang bisa yung 1986 aftermath, di ba? Kaya nga lumabas yung mga attempts/plans to amend the constitution to include lifting of term limits of public officials from the era of FVR (carter change) - DU30 (federalism), because they can't overrule the term limits. Parang cat and mouse game yung nangyayari.

May the best man/woman win na lang sa kanila he he.

the fact na banned na ang re-election for consecutive terms is already the "bisa" bossing
i also don't see any connection ng federalism sa pagtanggal ng limit

 

[alist1986]

the fact na banned na ang re-election for consecutive terms is already the "bisa" bossing
i also don't see any connection ng federalism sa pagtanggal ng limit

Just for discussion, binanggit ko yang federalism kung sakali lang may mag-push ulit, dahil yung last account ko sa supposedly draft constitution ni DU30 last 2018? (not sure of the date and authenticity of the claims). It mentioned provisions abolishing the 6-yr term to "4 years and one re-election" or "2 consecutive 4-year terms" from other sources. But the essence is there related to the limits. If I'm wrong, I stand corrected. Alam mo naman sa net, hindi lahat, eksaktong totoo yung nababasa natin he he.
Ito yung 2018 draft pdf which includes what I mentioned ng mag-google search ako ng actual document (to verify) before I made this post:

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