🕯️ Traditions Oh Para sa mga Simp ng Gender Ideology Movement.

[plhbg1]

I think you are aware na lahat ng tao ay may female organ on their embryonic stage until hormones take effect sa katawan nila.

what specific female organ naman yan bossing?

 

[jayendecastro]

Pinaliwanag ko nga kung bakit inseperable ang gender when it comes sa judgement ng IOC. I think you want the conversation to stop where we simply blame them.

This is why the lgbt movement is explaining why the gender should be viewed as a spectrum across society instead of black and white.
Kahit nga between black and white, there will be a gray area where our judgment will be arbitrary kung igigiit natin ang dichotomy ng gender. Lalo na kung dalawang condition ang pinagbabasehan natin.
I think you are aware na lahat ng tao ay may female organ on their embryonic stage until hormones take effect sa katawan nila. At depending sa level ng hormones kung ano ang kakalabasan, with intersex as a possible condition. This stage is uncontrollable and is unfair to be a basis of their rights on any aspect.
Now, ung effect ng hormone na meron kinalaman sa sports occurs in puberty. With the available technology, this is controllable. That is why I am fine with khelif being disqualified on basis of hormone.

Cause this is not a gender issue nga.. this is not an lgbtqa+ issue… kung may actual na trans na involve then maybe we can have that discussion…

Unless ur buying into the early news about this na Imane was “biologically male”…

Are they both women?? Yes as far as i know… did one have higher testosterone level than the other?? That seems to be the narrative…

Wala nmn ata rules ang IOC about that or kung meron man Imane was allowed to compete nonetheless… she played according to the rules that were set by others… the only thing that needs to be questioned here eh ung nagorganize or nagsanction ng involvement nea… kung disqualified na sya right from the start with respect to the rules then thats fair…

Yah aware ako jan and how said parts will end up being one’s *******ia… clit to pp,, labia to scrotum, ovaries to testes… and yes its not the individual’s fault sa nangyayari sa katawan nea.. though it might not be fair na they cannnot perform or compete in certain tasks including sports eh thats not up to them unfortunately… whats unfair to some can be fair to others… thats just how it is…
Kaya like i said, kung ganon ang playing field na meron..one cannot force himself kung hindi sya pasok sa set category..

Parang women’s sport…sample rules dapat female,, may threshold sa testosterone level… if u cant comply to both then u cant participate…and hindi sya para lang may maapi or discriminate.. but to protect ung fairness na nais maestablish…

what specific female organ naman yan bossing?

Wala sa forum nyo yan??

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Cause this is not a gender issue nga.. this is not an lgbtqa+ issue… kung may actual na trans na involve then maybe we can have that discussion…

Unless ur buying into the early news about this na Imane was “biologically male”…

Are they both women?? Yes as far as i know… did one have higher testosterone level than the other?? That seems to be the narrative…

Wala nmn ata rules ang IOC about that or kung meron man Imane was allowed to compete nonetheless… she played according to the rules that were set by others… the only thing that needs to be questioned here eh ung nagorganize or nagsanction ng involvement nea… kung disqualified na sya right from the start with respect to the rules then thats fair…

Yah aware ako jan and how said parts will end up being one’s *******ia… clit to pp,, labia to scrotum, ovaries to testes… and yes its not the individual’s fault sa nangyayari sa katawan nea.. though it might not be fair na they cannnot perform or compete in certain tasks including sports eh thats not up to them unfortunately… whats unfair to some can be fair to others… thats just how it is…
Kaya like i said, kung ganon ang playing field na meron..one cannot force himself kung hindi sya pasok sa set category..

Parang women’s sport…sample rules dapat female,, may threshold sa testosterone level… if u cant comply to both then u cant participate…and hindi sya para lang may maapi or discriminate.. but to protect ung fairness na nais maestablish…


Wala sa forum nyo yan??

I guess the part we disagree with is whether the implication of calling this case unfair or not can extend to lgbtq. I disagree that we should just accept that what is unfair for some is fair for others, because ideally, we should be aligning our sense of justice so that it we don't just arbitrarily judge things fair and unfair.
And yes we are trying to protect the fairness we have established, and this is by critically looking at what it was based on. This case actually reveals how narrow it was for us to establish it based on their body part.

I just can't get onboard with "it sucks for them" sa mga taong disqualified on either sport league based on their gender becuase we have two rules that are not necessarily coexistent.

 

[plhbg1]

Wala sa forum nyo yan??

pag sinabi kasing female organ, it refers to the female reproductive organ, kaya ako nagtataka is va̾gina ba from the start at naging pe̾nis lang after hormonal activity hehe

 

[jayendecastro]

pag sinabi kasing female organ, it refers to the female reproductive organ, kaya ako nagtataka is va̾gina ba from the start at naging pe̾nis lang after hormonal activity hehe

Basically it starts of na tinatawag na “indifferentiated”.. by default female ang madedevelop unless may Y chromosomes na effect would be testosterone., na may kasama din na inhibitor sa female parts… so ung dapat magiging ovaries will become testes,,ung labia would become scròtum, ung clǐt would become pěnis… ung nakikita mong line sa pp mo at balls eh ung nagfuse na magigigng labia sana… yan ang normal circumstance.. pero syempre may iba ibang case na xy pero my problema sa testosterone, or sa DHT, sa MIH..and iba pa

 

[plhbg1]

Basically it starts of na tinatawag na “indifferentiated”.. by default female ang madedevelop unless may Y chromosomes na effect would be testosterone., na may kasama din na inhibitor sa female parts… so ung dapat magiging ovaries will become testes,,ung labia would become scròtum, ung clǐt would become pěnis… ung nakikita mong line sa pp mo at balls eh ung nagfuse na magigigng labia sana… yan ang normal circumstance.. pero syempre may iba ibang case na xy pero my problema sa testosterone, or sa DHT, sa MIH..and iba pa

ahaha meron palang ganyan, ang napag-aralan ko kasi is that codes in Y chromosome includes instruction to silence some codes in the X before pa man ma-execute, instead of ovaries na sana pero nag mutate again to something else haha

 

[jayendecastro]

ahaha meron palang ganyan, ang napag-aralan ko kasi is that codes in Y chromosome includes instruction to silence some codes in the X before pa man ma-execute, instead of ovaries na sana pero nag mutate again to something else haha

Thats what i said nga.. ung MIH

 

[plhbg1]

Thats what i said nga.. ung MIH

hehe yung pinapa-labas kasi is default yung female haha which is wrong, the mother can only donate X but the father can donate both X and Y, so hindi default ang female but the X and Y from the father reinforces or silences the scripts in the mother's X respectively, the mother's X is not default and still needs re-inforcement from father's X. if naging default ang mother's X, then no need for female to be genetically XX. X lang pwede na maging female, but sadly meron tayong X na disorder and hindi successful yung pagka-female, mali talaga yang idea na default ang X unless may Y or else hindi na magiging disorder ang turner's syndrome

 

[jayendecastro]

hehe yung pinapa-labas kasi is default yung female haha which is wrong, the mother can only donate X but the father can donate both X and Y, so hindi default ang female but the X and Y from the father reinforces or silences the scripts in the mother's X respectively, the mother's X is not default and still needs re-inforcement from father's X. if naging default ang mother's X, then no need for female to be genetically XX. X lang pwede na maging female, but sadly meron tayong X na disorder and hindi successful yung pagka-female, mali talaga yang idea na default ang X unless may Y or else hindi na magiging disorder ang turner's syndrome

Naexplain ko nga na “indifferentiated” sa una.. both ******* ducts are there initially… Y chromo contains the inhibitor ng female ducts… walang Y, walang inhibitor… therefore female ang madedevelop…

Yan ang nangyayari sa normal physiology… ung mya syndromes associated jan dun nagkakaroon ng variation.. but under normal circumstance ganan nga…

Anjan na sinabi mo ung sagot… X would become female… very rare lang ung XX male…

 

[plhbg1]

Naexplain ko nga na “indifferentiated” sa una.. both ******* ducts are there initially… Y chromo contains the inhibitor ng female ducts… walang Y, walang inhibitor… therefore female ang madedevelop…

Yan ang nangyayari sa normal physiology… ung mya syndromes associated jan dun nagkakaroon ng variation.. but under normal circumstance ganan nga…

Anjan na sinabi mo ung sagot… X would become female… very rare lang ung XX male…

nope, XX yung female hindi X hehe read again my post bossing, the mother's X alone cannot make a person female, hindi siya default na naghihintay lang ng Y hehe

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

hehe yung pinapa-labas kasi is default yung female haha which is wrong, the mother can only donate X but the father can donate both X and Y, so hindi default ang female but the X and Y from the father reinforces or silences the scripts in the mother's X respectively, the mother's X is not default and still needs re-inforcement from father's X. if naging default ang mother's X, then no need for female to be genetically XX. X lang pwede na maging female, but sadly meron tayong X na disorder and hindi successful yung pagka-female, mali talaga yang idea na default ang X unless may Y or else hindi na magiging disorder ang turner's syndrome

pag sinabi kasing female organ, it refers to the female reproductive organ, kaya ako nagtataka is va̾gina ba from the start at naging pe̾nis lang after hormonal activity hehe

Technically, tama ka. Pero kaya lng natin nabanggit yan dito is to understand how the organ itself can easily vary between the two states before childbirth. Mejo unnecessarily deep para umabot pa tayo sa chromosomes, when in the real world, we judge sêx superficially by the organ's form.

 

[jayendecastro]

nope, XX yung female hindi X hehe read again my post bossing, the mother's X alone cannot make a person female, hindi siya default na naghihintay lang ng Y hehe

Ahh i see the misunderstanding now… when I say X would be female it means na sa 23rd pair either the other pair is another X or none at all (turner syndrome).. if the other pair is Y then magiging male like what ive explained…all humans have atleast one X chromo sa 23rd pair right?

 

[plhbg1]

all humans have atleast one X chromo sa 23rd pair right?

yes and it is because the mother can only donate X bossing, kaya palaging may X from the mother, pero if titingnan mo sa turner's syndrome hindi successful yung E×ρréššion ng female traits without the X from the father

further explanation is that X contains 1,500 codes but Y only contains 200 codes, this is the reason why a single X cannot fully make a person female because the more codes a chromosome houses the more chances of buggy codes, it needs the X from the father to ensure consistent supply of healthy codes given the bulk of codes na nakatambak sa X

Technically, tama ka. Pero kaya lng natin nabanggit yan dito is to understand how the organ itself can easily vary between the two states before childbirth. Mejo unnecessarily deep para umabot pa tayo sa chromosomes, when in the real world, we judge sêx superficially by the organ's form.

tama ka naman boss na may gray areas talaga, even in the genetic level meron yan, kahit nga within the X chromosome meron failing codes eh, spectrum talaga dapat ang approach since sa human development on-going debate pa din naman ang nature vs nurture dahil ayaw talaga mag settle sa both nature and nurture participates in human development, just like din dito sa gender ayaw talaga magpa-talo ng fans ng natural gender at ayaw nila tanggapin that nurture or environment (culture) has also interfered in the E×ρréššion of gender