🕯️ Traditions Secret Service

[jayendecastro]

ahaha nagpi-pretend naman talaga tayo dito boss, wala naman siguro gumagamit na totoong identity dito haha

haha mukhang dito na din nagtatapos ang convo natin boss since mga proof na ng identity ang hinihingi which is no no para sakin just like yung nangyari sa amin ni HowSoon

Tsssss.. iba ung proof ng identity sa proof ng credibility…

Parang inamin mo na lang din na puro pretend lang at kasinungalingan lang sinasabi mo… lakas mo makacriticize sa mga theists at mga anti-science eh ikaw nmn pala anti-truth..



haaaay

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

So The Mayo Clinic and The National Library of Medicine ba is not qualified for you??

Sabi mo nga di mo alam ung triple X tapos now ambilis mo naman nagconclude about it..

Dinagdag ko lang nmn ung “existence” din ng iba aside from your “four”…

chromosomes are indicator, *******s too,
working man or not…

Ung XO at XXY mo na this one has ovaries but not egg, the other has testes but no *****.. still comes down to “two”…

Interesting.. wala pa akong alam jan sa XO at XXY na yan. But seems to me, The study of chromosome has a very narrow view of the "sêxes" within the lens of reproduction or procreation, which is a fair way of categorizing animals including human, making it irelevant in the topic of gender.

I think we must stop and think, in a broader sociological context, yung kakayahan magprocreate ay isa lamang sa mga trait. Hindi ba't prang walang sense na this single trait is elevated to a point where it prescribes how a person would live their life? Besides, sociology as a science is only meand to describe, not to prescribe. If we observe that some "men" not behaving according to the notion of masculine, correcting them will be like messing with the sample for them to fit your existing classification.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

you all kids agreed into something that you dont have an in-depth understanding like scientists do and speaks of it like a science fact. hmmm... ok?..

Do you have to fully grasp something before you believe it? Is that why we should just settle on religious belief kasi ung mas madaling intindihin?

 

[plhbg1]

Tsssss.. iba ung proof ng identity sa proof ng credibility…

Parang inamin mo na lang din na puro pretend lang at kasinungalingan lang sinasabi mo… lakas mo makacriticize sa mga theists at mga anti-science eh ikaw nmn pala anti-truth..



haaaay

ehehe ang hinihingi mo is proof of credibility ng totoo kong identity, hindi ako si plhbg1 dun sa academics ko hehe

 

[jayendecastro]

ehehe ang hinihingi mo is proof of credibility ng totoo kong identity, hindi ako si plhbg1 dun sa academics ko hehe

Alam mo ung magsscreenshot ka?? Tapos blur out mo ung sensitive info like names and pictures?? Pd kamo gawin na now ang ganon.. ang galing nga eh…

And ano pla learning platform nyo sa forum nyo?? Moodle?? Blackboard?? Canvas?? Etc??

 

[plhbg1]

Alam mo ung magsscreenshot ka?? Tapos blur out mo ung sensitive info like names and pictures?? Pd kamo gawin na now ang ganon.. ang galing nga eh…

And ano pla learning platform nyo sa forum nyo?? Moodle?? Blackboard?? Canvas?? Etc??

Moodle platform, aside from being prohibited by academic policies, i am not posting anything connected to my real identity here

 

[jayendecastro]

Interesting.. wala pa akong alam jan sa XO at XXY na yan. But seems to me, The study of chromosome has a very narrow view of the "sêxes" within the lens of reproduction or procreation, which is a fair way of categorizing animals including human, making it irelevant in the topic of gender.

I think we must stop and think, in a broader sociological context, yung kakayahan magprocreate ay isa lamang sa mga trait. Hindi ba't prang walang sense na this single trait is elevated to a point where it prescribes how a person would live their life? Besides, sociology as a science is only meand to describe, not to prescribe. If we observe that some "men" not behaving according to the notion of masculine, correcting them will be like messing with the sample for them to fit your existing classification.

Yes i agree na irrelevant sya in terms of gender identity or sexual orientation for the most part. And i dont think ung view about it can be widen kung its just simple stating what it observed. Kung pananaw mo na its about procreation and reproduction lang then sure sa ganong lens masasbi na its a narrow view. It just explains a lot about biological differences and similiraties.. as well as the variations within those two.

This is just an explanation of the biological side of things.. how it boils down to male and female…and ung gender identity within those two..

Wala nmng babaeng bading or lalakeng lesbian db?

Im all for having each one’s identity.. but im also for acknowledging reality

Moodle platform, aside from being prohibited by academic policies, i am not posting anything connected to my real identity here

What specific academic policies are those?? My wife uses moodle din…

Pero for sure naman na hindi mo kaya iprovide proof nean.. props to you sana if u can..atleast db..

Yan ganan ba style nung “senyo”?

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Yes i agree na irrelevant sya in terms of gender identity or sexual orientation for the most part. And i dont think ung view about it can be widen kung its just simple stating what it observed. Kung pananaw mo na its about procreation and reproduction lang then sure sa ganong lens masasbi na its a narrow view. It just explains a lot about biological differences and similiraties.. as well as the variations within those two.

This is just an explanation of the biological side of things.. how it boils down to male and female…and ung gender identity within those two..

Wala nmng babaeng bading or lalakeng lesbian db?

Im all for having each one’s identity.. but im also for acknowledging reality

I see that you understand. Pero at the end you say "acknowledging reality" implying that gender non-conformance is the not acknowledging reality.
So, i am led to believe, when you say acknowledge "reality" you mean, people should identify and abide the constraints society give to the typical genders.

 

[plhbg1]

What specific academic policies are those?? My wife uses moodle din…

Pero for sure naman na hindi mo kaya iprovide proof nean.. props to you sana if u can..atleast db..

Yan ganan ba style nung “senyo”?
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Moodle is just the platform boss, yung school mismo ang meron policy at hindi si Moodle, we agreed to make the learning environment safe and secure, meron naman kaming pino-post publicly using Wordpress pero Journal namin yun instead of yung discussion forums

 

[jayendecastro]

I see that you understand. Pero at the end you say "acknowledging reality" implying that gender non-conformance is the not acknowledging reality.
So, i am led to believe, when you say acknowledge "reality" you mean, people should identify and abide the constraints society give to the typical genders.

Not what im saying at all…kaya i used acknowledge kesa impose…

Example lang para mabilis… you can be gay, straight, lesbian, trans queer.. any of those sa LQBTQAplus… but ur also either a male or female.

I dont buy ung “i identify as a woman therefore i am a woman”… a woman is a woman.. u can identify as whatever u like.. i can respect ur identity, ur preference, ur orientation and ur E×ρréššion, even ur pronouns..just dont impose na ur reality is my reality din.

Moodle is just the platform boss, yung school mismo ang meron policy at hindi si Moodle, we agreed to make the learning environment safe and secure, meron naman kaming pino-post publicly using Wordpress pero Journal namin yun instead of yung discussion forums

Inexplain mo pa na platform lang ang moodle eh kaya nga nagask ako kung ano platform nyo.. binabalik mo lang eh

In short wala talaga?? At pangangatawanan mo talaga yang sinasabi mo??

What prompted u pala, a coa-reporting government employee to study that??

Basically ur saying “Trust me bro” lang eh…

Like why go to all this trouble of making stuff up na wala nman maipakita proof ng credibility??

U work sa govt busy pa with Coa auditing,,, nag aaral ng biology…likes to meddle in atheist and theist discussions… may anak at pamilya ka pa kamo.. wow.. dame mong time…

Ano n nmn yang sa wordpress nyo?? Dagdag n nmn.. sge ano latest publication nyo??

 

[plhbg1]

Not what im saying at all…kaya i used acknowledge kesa impose…

Example lang para mabilis… you can be gay, straight, lesbian, trans queer.. any of those sa LQBTQAplus… but ur also either a male or female.

I dont buy ung “i identify as a woman therefore i am a woman”… a woman is a woman.. u can identify as whatever u like.. i can respect ur identity, ur preference, ur orientation and ur E×ρréššion, even ur pronouns..just dont impose na ur reality is my reality din.


Inexplain mo pa na platform lang ang moodle eh kaya nga nagask ako kung ano platform nyo.. binabalik mo lang eh

In short wala talaga?? At pangangatawanan mo talaga yang sinasabi mo??

What prompted u pala, a coa-reporting government employee to study that??

Basically ur saying “Trust me bro” lang eh…

Like why go to all this trouble of making stuff up na wala nman maipakita proof ng credibility??

ehehe i don't think i went to a trouble, PHC actually doesn't trouble me, nothing in PHC affects my real life aside from learning, learning lang after ko dito, whereas yung schooling affects heavily my future haha kaya it cannot be compromised, kahit na ma-compromise pa ako dito sa PHC for not proving credibility

U work sa govt busy pa with Coa auditing,,, nag aaral ng biology…likes to meddle in atheist and theist discussions… may anak at pamilya ka pa kamo.. wow.. dame mong time…

yung COA audit is my past job, iba na position ko ngayon malayo na sa COA, kaya siguro nagkaka-time na ako for studies

Ano n nmn yang sa wordpress nyo?? Dagdag n nmn.. sge ano latest publication nyo??

each of us needs to publish a journal, haha academic requirement din

 

[jayendecastro]

ehehe i don't think i went to a trouble, PHC actually doesn't trouble me, nothing in PHC affects my real life aside from learning, learning lang after ko dito, whereas yung schooling affects heavily my future haha kaya it cannot be compromised, kahit na ma-compromise pa ako dito sa PHC for not proving credibility

Pero lakas mo makakwestion sa credentials ng iba right??

“haha you mean di mo alam ang science para di mo malaman na ang daming scientific errors ang bible? what's your highest educational attainment boss? it appears wala kang alam sa science at rekta claim ka lang na bible is science haha”

“ahaha who are you compared to the professors here? what's your highest educational attainment boss?”

yung COA audit is my past job, iba na position ko ngayon malayo na sa COA, kaya siguro nagkaka-time na ako for studies

“Siguro”?? Aba malay ko… ikaw nga tinatanong ko di ka pa ata sigurado..

Ung studies mo ngayon is masteral ba?? Or another degree??

each of us needs to publish a journal, haha academic requirement din

Thats not what im asking at all… tawa pa kala mo inaddress ung inaask ko.. asan nga ung “public journal” mo?? Hmmmm… ano n nmn palusot mo kaya eh kaw na mismo nagsabi na public yan

 

[plhbg1]

Pero lakas mo makakwestion sa credentials ng iba right??

“haha you mean di mo alam ang science para di mo malaman na ang daming scientific errors ang bible? what's your highest educational attainment boss? it appears wala kang alam sa science at rekta claim ka lang na bible is science haha”

“ahaha who are you compared to the professors here? what's your highest educational attainment boss?”

yes i question but not finding proof boss hehe they can answer directly no need proof since mag-a-ask na lang ako ng follow-up question to verify

“Siguro”?? Aba malay ko… ikaw nga tinatanong ko di ka pa ata sigurado..

yes since pwede din kasi na may time naman talaga ako noon but hindi interested masyado

Ung studies mo ngayon is masteral ba?? Or another degree??

second course lang 'to boss, di pa ako sure if anong course ang kukunan ko ng masteral, may plan pa nga ako kumuha na din ng comsci course, at saka ako mag decide kung anu ang ima-masteral ko

Thats not what im asking at all… tawa pa kala mo inaddress ung inaask ko.. asan nga ung “public journal” mo?? Hmmmm… ano n nmn palusot mo kaya eh kaw na mismo nagsabi na public yan

hehe hindi rin plhbg1 gamit ko sa journal so di ko rin mabibigay yung link though seachable siya sa google since public siya in a blog form

 

[jayendecastro]

yes i question but not finding proof boss hehe they can answer directly no need proof since mag-a-ask na lang ako ng follow-up question to verify

yes since pwede din kasi na may time naman talaga ako noon but hindi interested masyado

second course lang 'to boss, di pa ako sure if anong course ang kukunan ko ng masteral, may plan pa nga ako kumuha na din ng comsci course, at saka ako mag decide kung anu ang ima-masteral ko

hehe hindi rin plhbg1 gamit ko sa journal so di ko rin mabibigay yung link though seachable siya sa google since public siya in a blog form

Ahhhhh okeeeey.. oo na lang ako

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

I dont buy ung “i identify as a woman therefore i am a woman”… a woman is a woman.. u can identify as whatever u like.. i can respect ur identity, ur preference, ur orientation and ur E×ρréššion, even ur pronouns..just dont impose na ur reality is my reality din.

So then, what does this entail?
Say for example, a woman identifies as a man, and you are already made aware of it. How would you E×ρréšš to them your boundaries in their reality not being imposed to yours?

Most of the time, their request is really just within your social interaction with them. Why be hostile in such a way as if they are asking you to do something you can't do? Is it really such a big deal to treat others in deviation to what they have under their pants?

 

[jayendecastro]

So then, what does this entail?
Say for example, a woman identifies as a man, and you are already made aware of it. How would you E×ρréšš to them your boundaries in their reality not being imposed to yours?

Most of the time, their request is really just within your social interaction with them. Why be hostile in such a way as if they are asking you to do something you can't do? Is it really such a big deal to treat others in deviation to what they have under their pants?

I just said na i will respect their preference and stuff.. why on earth will be hostile??

The thing is, sa ganang situation mistakes can happen.. misgendering, dead naming, wrong pronouns etc.. if kinorek ako for those things i have no problem apologizing and correct myself.. pero if that person makes a big deal out of it then meron ng pagiimpose on his part… i cudnt care less whats under their pants or skirt.. what i care about is how they present and conduct themselves.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

I just said na i will respect their preference and stuff.. why on earth will be hostile??

The thing is, sa ganang situation mistakes can happen.. misgendering, dead naming, wrong pronouns etc.. if kinorek ako for those things i have no problem apologizing and correct myself.. pero if that person makes a big deal out of it then meron ng pagiimpose on his part… i cudnt care less whats under their pants or skirt.. what i care about is how they present and conduct themselves.

You have a very reasonable position, and that is good. I think karamihan nman ung mga pinaka bigot na commenter dito ay ganyan din tlga sa tunay na buhay when they face this scenario.
Pero as a matter of discussion, especially in indirect conversation like online forums, i think we must be aware of the hostile microaggression due to cultural biases that we have. Everytime kasi sa usapan ng gender, ung mga entitled people ang gingamit natin reference to argue against it, generalizing the whole movement as entitlement. In reality, it is just to appeal to the cultural norms.
And honestly, we really have nothing to lose kahit pa sundin natin ang personal labels na preferred nila. It does not hurt us or them kung sakyan nalang sila sa gusto nila in casual socialization. We also have nothing to gain kung cocontrahin pa natin.

 

[HowSoonIsNow]

Do you have to fully grasp something before you believe it? Is that why we should just settle on religious belief kasi ung mas madaling intindihin?

i have no religion but i respect people with religious beliefs. why drag them into these?

You have a very reasonable position, and that is good. I think karamihan nman ung mga pinaka bigot na commenter dito ay ganyan din tlga sa tunay na buhay when they face this scenario.
Pero as a matter of discussion, especially in indirect conversation like online forums, i think we must be aware of the hostile microaggression due to cultural biases that we have. Everytime kasi sa usapan ng gender, ung mga entitled people ang gingamit natin reference to argue against it, generalizing the whole movement as entitlement. In reality, it is just to appeal to the cultural norms.
And honestly, we really have nothing to lose kahit pa sundin natin ang personal labels na preferred nila. It does not hurt us or them kung sakyan nalang sila sa gusto nila in casual socialization. We also have nothing to gain kung cocontrahin pa natin.

matuto ka din sanang rumespeto ng tao sa religious beliefs nila gaya ng respect na gusto mong makuha as lgbt.

 

[jayendecastro]

You have a very reasonable position, and that is good. I think karamihan nman ung mga pinaka bigot na commenter dito ay ganyan din tlga sa tunay na buhay when they face this scenario.
Pero as a matter of discussion, especially in indirect conversation like online forums, i think we must be aware of the hostile microaggression due to cultural biases that we have. Everytime kasi sa usapan ng gender, ung mga entitled people ang gingamit natin reference to argue against it, generalizing the whole movement as entitlement. In reality, it is just to appeal to the cultural norms.

Yes that happens and i dont agree na igeneralized ang isang movement or group dahil sa ilang mga entitled people.. but it does happen na merong entitled people claiming to represent them.. thats why i applaud ung mga tao na within LQBTQA+ na nagcacall out sa kapwa nila when they are out of line…

And honestly, we really have nothing to lose kahit pa sundin natin ang personal labels na preferred nila. It does not hurt us or them kung sakyan nalang sila sa gusto nila in casual socialization. We also have nothing to gain kung cocontrahin pa natin.

I agree with this somewhat pero for the most part eh why make such a fuss about it… tska bakit “gusto nila” lang ang kailangang iconsider?? It we want a decent and fruitful interaction then both sides dapat ang iconsider.. or forego that altogether and focus kung ano ang point ng interaction… need pb ng validation??

Kung kakain ka sa resto mas importante ba ung pagtawag ng mam/sir kesa sa quality ng service nila?

Pag papagamot importante pb ung pronouns kesa sa health care na ipprovide?

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Kung kakain ka sa resto mas importante ba ung pagtawag ng mam/sir kesa sa quality ng service nila?

Pag papagamot importante pb ung pronouns kesa sa health care na ipprovide?

No it is not more important, but at the same time, it does not really affect it if we imagine an interaction between mature individuals.

i have no religion but i respect people with religious beliefs. why drag them into these?


matuto ka din sanang rumespeto ng tao sa religious beliefs nila gaya ng respect na gusto mong makuha as lgbt.

So kasalanan ng atheist kaya natin mababa ang tingin sa lgbt? Kung rerespetuhin lang ang religious sa pananaw nila marerespeto na ang lgbt? Prang balintuna yata yang lohika na yan.
Kaya tayo nasa sitwasyon ngayon ay dahil masyadong malaking respeto at kapangyarihan ang ibinigay ng mga kultura natin sa relihiyon ng magical na paniniwala. Binigyan natin sila ng kapangyarihan magdikta sa mga buhay natin.

Saka don't mix up respect and unquestionability. You are essentially saying na atheist should just shut-up while theists can say what they want because they "deserve respect."