🕯️ Traditions They are asking for equality but in reality they want special treatment

[Gildarts Tale]

If we do or say something about them (the rainbow simp) that they don't agree with, it's called discrimination.
If they (the rainbow simp) do or say something that we don't agree with it's called freedom of speech/choice.
They're asking for equality but all they truly want is SPECIAL TREATMENT.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Freedom of speech and E×ρréššion does not guarantee freedom from consequence. Being called out from discrimination and being told that gender non-conformity is bad are both consequences of the exercise of the freedom.

It is just a matter of analyzing the effect to see which consequence response is more ethical.

You are making a false equivalence here. Being told that you are making discriminatory merely criticise your opinion. But telling a person that their personal identity is wrong denies a person's natural tendencies and compells them to think and behave differently.

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Papaano magkakaroon ng special treatment , e wala nga equality huh? At saka kailan pa nagkaroon ng equality sa right wing ideologies ? Ang ideologies lang nila is men and women only.

Naman.

Feeling ko. Ang special treatment is mismo kayo o yung mga katulad niyo rin. Kasi, pwede kayo makasal sa church diba? Men and women lang ang pwede ikasal. Yung rights , halos at halos lang naman na preferable for both men and women po pagdating sa batas ng Pilipinas po. Ano pa? Iyon ang nakikita ko. Madami po siya.

Nagtataka ako kung ano ang special treatment na existing po na sinasabi ng original poster.

P.S.

Patriarchal. Masculine moral value and authority. Men and women only. Hierarchical. God. Center belief is God. Theist. Ahem. Ewan ko kung meron nakapansin. Right wing ideologies pa pala. Iyan.

Natutunan ko lang dahil sa lalake na professor ng isang university. He is an atheist marxism. Gusto raw niya ang matriarchal. Communism talaga po siya pero ito ang catch, ang communism na itinutukoy ay hindi katulad kay Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin. Hindi ganun. Bagkus kahit siya, hindi siya agree doon.

Bale. Maling way ika nga. You know? Its like more on powers unlike before daw, katulad ng work place where both men and women ay nagtatrabaho when it comes to paggawa ng basket, pagdating sa mananahi and hindi raw siya naka-gendered. Halimbawa, making of clay pot, both men and women ay nagtutulungan or sharing kung baga.

Ayaw ng tao ang communism dahil first thing na papasok sa utak nila is same power katulad ni Adolf Hitler which is hindi ganun dahil ang ganoon way of thinking daw, same din siya sa mindset ng mga tao na sanay na po sa katagang "dominate". Ika nga "domination". Ika nga meron authority at meron power to other group.

Tayo ang sanay sa social system about dominate. Halimbawa. Owning a business. CEO. President. In the family where head of the family is a man. He owns wife and children. Pagkatapos meron nagsabi dito na ganun raw talaga , men are dominant in gender so sila ang nagpapatakbo ng business and economy. Sa politics and religion. Lalake din ang pinu push to be assertive, to be dominant and emotional restraint raw and also, what is being a man.

Iyan lang ang natutunan ko.

Example. Church. O-ha. Lakas ng influence sa mga tao po. Church ang meron malakas na moral authority na kung ano dapat susundin ng mga tao as a whole. Andoon nakasalalay ang morality ng mga tao po so as a result, hindi makapasok-pasok ang ilan law katulad ng divorce, sogie bill or whatever at ilan pa po dahil nakasalalay talaga po sila kung ano ang moral law na dapat sundin. And if they do not follow the laws, alam niyo na? Hell ang bagsak po. There is punishment.
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[Gildarts Tale]

Freedom of speech and E×ρréššion does not guarantee freedom from consequence. Being called out from discrimination and being told that gender non-conformity is bad are both consequences of the exercise of the freedom.

It is just a matter of analyzing the effect to see which consequence response is more ethical.

You are making a false equivalence here. Being told that you are making discriminatory merely criticise your opinion. But telling a person that their personal identity is wrong denies a person's natural tendencies and compells them to think and behave differently.

It's not false equivalence. It is showing how double standard you people are.

It's the same as you scream for tolerance and inclusivity, but what really means tolerance to your own ideology not others.

Papaano magkakaroon ng special treatment , e wala nga equality huh? At saka kailan pa nagkaroon ng equality sa right wing ideologies ? Ang ideologies lang nila is men and women only.

Naman.

Feeling ko. Ang special treatment is mismo kayo o yung mga katulad niyo rin. Kasi, pwede kayo makasal sa church diba? Men and women lang ang pwede ikasal. Yung rights , halos at halos lang naman na preferable for both men and women po pagdating sa batas ng Pilipinas po. Ano pa? Iyon ang nakikita ko. Madami po siya.

Nagtataka ako kung ano ang special treatment na existing po na sinasabi ng original poster.

May church naman who are now doing same *** weddings so? That is the not point sa OP.

 

[Asherah Goddess]

May church naman who are now doing same *** weddings so? That is the not point sa OP.​

Ngek. Paembento ka. Para masabi mo lang na keyso equal raw ang homosexual. Huwag mo nga ako lokohin. Meron ikinakasal, labas ng simbahan. Hindi loob. Hindi allowed ng simbahan ang same seks marriage po. Hindi siya legalized po in the Philippines.

Ganun ata ang mga nagdedefend. Katulad ng bible. Since sabi, meron facts na dinosaur exists based on science and then , ganoon din ang nagdedefend in the bible. Kasama raw sa bible ang dinosaur para masabi na totoo ang bible. Siningit na rin.

Ang point diba ng original poster is special treatment? Papaano nga magkakaroon ng special treatment kung wala nga equality.

Kayo ang special treatment dahil nasa sa inyo ang lahat dahil nga based on overview about gender , men and women only kahit pagdating sa batas po. Pati sa relihiyon. E sa relihiyon nga, consider sin ang homosexual po e.

Wala rin sila spiritual leader inside church na pwede humawak ang gay or lesbian, baka sabihin mo naman , meron na rin. Ewan ko ba. Pinagloloko mo lang ako. Para masabi lang na huwag na sila humingi ng equality , kumpleto na po ang lahat, ganun na lang ang sinasabi.​

 

[Ze_Ro]

Chimera ant

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

It's not false equivalence. It is showing how double standard you people are.

It's the same as you scream for tolerance and inclusivity, but what really means tolerance to your own ideology not others.


May church naman who are now doing same *** weddings so? That is the not point sa OP.

Invalid nga yung accusation mo ng double standard because these 2 are not at the same level. Are you saying they should tolerate your intolerance to make this fair?

 

[dummy01]

Invalid nga yung accusation mo ng double standard because these 2 are not at the same level. Are you saying they should tolerate your intolerance to make this fair?

TS is arguing when a person criticizes or does against the trans ideology, it is perceived as discrimination, but when a trans person criticizes or does against the traditional (gender) norms, it is not. Two persons disagreed to opposing beliefs yet only one is perceived as discriminatory. Both have to either be discriminatory or not, otherwise it is double standard. If this is still unclear to you, then demonstrate how this is false equivalence.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

TS is arguing when a person criticizes or does against the trans ideology, it is perceived as discrimination, but when a trans person criticizes or does against the traditional (gender) norms, it is not. Two persons disagreed to opposing beliefs yet only one is perceived as discriminatory. Both have to either be discriminatory or not, otherwise it is double standard. If this is still unclear to you, then demonstrate how this is false equivalence.

When did the trans criticize normal gender? It was never about that. They criticize the fact that they are being compelled to behave differently by these norms.

But conservatives are not being interfered on what they think and how they live their lives. They are merely being criticized for the ethicality of voicing their unwelcome opinion.

The equivalent of what the conservatives are doing is if liberals prevent them from personally practicing faith, or compels them to live a homosexual lifestyle, which is NOT the case.

The LGBT is basically in a defensive position from the offensive conservatives. liberals are merely stopping the conservative from attacking while conservative wants liberals to stop defending. Which do you think is more reasonable?

 

[Gildarts Tale]

Invalid nga yung accusation mo ng double standard because these 2 are not at the same level. Are you saying they should tolerate your intolerance to make this fair?

It's the same level.

When did the trans criticize normal gender? It was never about that. They criticize the fact that they are being compelled to behave differently by these norms.

But conservatives are not being interfered on what they think and how they live their lives. They are merely being criticized for the ethicality of voicing their unwelcome opinion.

The equivalent of what the conservatives are doing is if liberals prevent them from personally practicing faith, or compels them to live a homosexual lifestyle, which is NOT the case.

The LGBT is basically in a defensive position from the offensive conservatives. liberals are merely stopping the conservative from attacking while conservative wants liberals to stop defending. Which do you think is more reasonable?

Lol! Are the LGBT+++ is not living their lives? Your overreaching. That is not the point.

The point is when someone E×ρréšš an OPINION.

And your opinion do not have bearing on what is happening in the west.

Double standard simp.

Ngek. Paembento ka. Para masabi mo lang na keyso equal raw ang homosexual. Huwag mo nga ako lokohin. Meron ikinakasal, labas ng simbahan. Hindi loob. Hindi allowed ng simbahan ang same seks marriage po. Hindi siya legalized po in the Philippines.

Still that is not the whole point of the OP.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

The point is when someone E×ρréšš an OPINION.

You Call it "E×ρréšš opinion" kasi pagdating sa nuances it exposes na conservatives ang nakikialam beyond their bounds.... If you think all opinions are valid, ano take mo na nakulong si Carlos Celdran?

And sure, E×ρréšš your opinion. Just because you have the right to do so, wala na karapatang sabihin ng kabila na discriminatory ang opinion mo?

Frankly, alam nyo naman in the first place na discriminatory yang stance nyo. You just feel it is justified.

And your opinion do not have bearing on what is happening in the west.

Nasaan ka ba? What do you really know about the west? Puro sensational bias media ang sources and it is clear you never considered to understand the opposing side. Do you really operate on what you know? Or are you merely parroting?

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Naiintindihan ko ang sinabi ni dummy. Naiintindihan ko. Baka ganyan ang ibig sabihin ng discrimination nila. Ako, since nakatira tayo kung ano ang norms, masasabi lang na discrimination sa isang sitwasyon katulad sa ideology ng trans or homo or whatever pa diyan kapag against the norms po siya or nagbehave po siya na hindi tugma kung ano ang hindi normal.
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Still that is not the whole point of the OP.

Sabi mo kasi na hindi equality ang hinihingi, special treatment lang po. Sa loob-loob ko, papaano mababansasagan na special treatment, e wala nga equality. Ang special treatment na nakikita ko ay ang galing sa ideology niyo dahil hindi kayo naka limit sa rights, dahil iyon ang align lamang kung ano ang normal , mabuti at tama pagdating sa kung ano ang morality na acceptable.​

 

[Gildarts Tale]

You Call it "E×ρréšš opinion" kasi pagdating sa nuances it exposes na conservatives ang nakikialam beyond their bounds.... If you think all opinions are valid, ano take mo na nakulong si Carlos Celdran?

And sure, E×ρréšš your opinion. Just because you have the right to do so, wala na karapatang sabihin ng kabila na discriminatory ang opinion mo?

Frankly, alam nyo naman in the first place na discriminatory yang stance nyo. You just feel it is justified.

Nasaan ka ba? What do you really know about the west? Puro sensational bias media ang sources and it is clear you never considered to understand the opposing side. Do you really operate on what you know? Or are you merely parroting?

Ako ba ang nag sabi na discriminatory ang opinion ko sa left? Nagbabasa kaba kaba? Or nag bingibingian. Sila mismo ang sabi. Ikaw nga mismo nag sabi din.

Di ko alam yang case ni Carlos Celbran, e share mo gaya nang ginawa ko sa ibang thread.

Totoo kasi ang truth does not care weather it is discriminatory or not. Facts don't care about your feelings.

As if sensational ang media at mga sources ko. Most nga ng big media companies don't care posting the left. And I can flip that also that clearly your not considered understanding the conservative side. I operate on what I know the truth is not just bandwagons who sway where the tide is going.