Did Jesus preach in Hell when He went there, and if He did, how many souls were saved?

[RDennis32]

Did Jesus preach in Hell when He went there, and if he did, how many souls were saved?

You may open your bible and quote your reply with the verse in it so we can both learn.

Thanks brothers and sisters in Christ!

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Hell? Um. Kapag hell ay wala na pag-asa but then depende sa kultura at depende sa ibang paniniwala. Meron lang kase sila hell pero walang purgatory. Sa Catholic, meron silang purgatory at meron hell. So ang purgatory po nila ay pwede pa ma saved. Pinu-purify lang po sila bago makarating sa heaven. Kung baga, nililinis. Sa ibang paniniwala ay hell lang. Walang purgatory and so, ang hell for them is wala na pag-asa. But meron din hell sa ibang belief system na meron din pag-asa ma saved.

Sa concept ng hell from Buddhism, meron silang reincarnation. But sabi ng iba, dadaan muna sila sa hell bago ma reincarnate. Iyon ang based from near-death experiencer or nakaranas ng after life experience na keyso dumadaan-daan pa daw sa hell bago pipila sa kahaba-haba ng other realm. Iyon ang na reremember ko dahil meron silang reincarnation. Pagkatapos, ang reincarnation po nila is walang memory kapag bumalik sila sa lupa like kapag unang panganak, lumabas ang sanggol, yung sanggol na iyon ay wala siyang memory from the past. Ganun po. Iyon ang from the Buddhism or iba pang beliefs siguro na hindi lang Buddhism, but same sila ng concept ng reincarnation.

Yung hell from Abrahamic beliefs like for example , meron concept ng punishment in hell from some Christian beliefs and so, yung hell sa kanila , wala na pag-asa. But ito, meron din near-death experience din kase na kahit nasa hell sila , na sa saved pa sila but hindi siya katulad ng sinasabi mo about Jesus Christ na mag se saved nito ang mga tao from hell. Wala naman binanggit or whatever. Wala naman. Basta na saved lang sila. Yung tipong biglang nagkaroon ng white light. Yung iba ay talaga forever hell.

And so.... ang masasabi ko lang is yung hell na nararanasan ng tao based on their experience is align siya sa konsepto na kung ano ang nakalakihan nilang relihiyon, kung ano ang natutunan nila since child, from the environment, from influence at based in culture.

So ang experience nila sa hell, iba-iba ang experience. Hindi sila magkakasimilar dahil na rin sa depende kung ano ang nakasanayan belief system since child.

Ganun.

Ewan ko lang sa mga taga bible based. Natural , bible lang sila. And so, yung sources na kukunin nila about concept of hell ay malamang, bible lang siya which is of course, some people ay not acceptable sa kanila ang sinasabi ko dito. Haha. Dahil nga you know, bible lang ang truth para sa kanila and relihyon lang nila ang totoo para sa kanila. Ang hindi nila katulad ng belief system is hindi valid sa kanila.

Ganun.

Bale , iyon na po ang sagot ko sa thread topic po. Hindi ko masasabi na si Jesus ang nagsaved ng mga tao from hell...... dahil hindi siya iisang belief system na meron hell. Maraming belief system na meron din concept of hell pero iyon nga lang magkakaiba po sila based on kung ano ang pinaniniwalaan po nila kung ano ang hell para sa kanila.

P.S.

Dagdag ko lang. Alam niyo ba na ang hell ng Buddhism ay marami po sila. Ipagkumpara ang hell ng Christian as general as a whole (madaming Christian beliefs system po kase)... well, kung ipagkumpara ang hell sa Christian, isa lang. Yung iba kase, yung description ng hell sa kanila is fires of hell. Yung iba lang. Isa lang siya pagdating sa concept ng hell from Christian. Sa Buddhism, mas terrifying pa ang hell sa kanila. Mas maraming hell sa Buddhism po. Yung hell realm is I think, hindi mabilang sa kamay. But in Buddhism kase, wala silang concept of punishment like some, I mean some other beliefs ng Abrahamic na ang hell is punishment from their God. Sa Buddhism is a state lang po siya (example: fear, disgust, anger..... -emotions and feelings) - Iyon po.​

 

[RDennis32]

Hell? Um. Kapag hell ay wala na pag-asa but then depende sa kultura at depende sa ibang paniniwala. Meron lang kase sila hell pero walang purgatory. Sa Catholic, meron silang purgatory at meron hell. So ang purgatory po nila ay pwede pa ma saved. Pinu-purify lang po sila bago makarating sa heaven. Kung baga, nililinis. Sa ibang paniniwala ay hell lang. Walang purgatory and so, ang hell for them is wala na pag-asa. But meron din hell sa ibang belief system na meron din pag-asa ma saved.

Sa concept ng hell from Buddhism, meron silang reincarnation. But sabi ng iba, dadaan muna sila sa hell bago ma reincarnate. Iyon ang based from near-death experiencer or nakaranas ng after life experience na keyso dumadaan-daan pa daw sa hell bago pipila sa kahaba-haba ng other realm. Iyon ang na reremember ko dahil meron silang reincarnation. Pagkatapos, ang reincarnation po nila is walang memory kapag bumalik sila sa lupa like kapag unang panganak, lumabas ang sanggol, yung sanggol na iyon ay wala siyang memory from the past. Ganun po. Iyon ang from the Buddhism or iba pang beliefs siguro na hindi lang Buddhism, but same sila ng concept ng reincarnation.

Yung hell from Abrahamic beliefs like for example , meron concept ng punishment in hell from some Christian beliefs and so, yung hell sa kanila , wala na pag-asa. But ito, meron din near-death experience din kase na kahit nasa hell sila , na sa saved pa sila but hindi siya katulad ng sinasabi mo about Jesus Christ na mag se saved nito ang mga tao from hell. Wala naman binanggit or whatever. Wala naman. Basta na saved lang sila. Yung tipong biglang nagkaroon ng white light. Yung iba ay talaga forever hell.

And so.... ang masasabi ko lang is yung hell na nararanasan ng tao based on their experience is align siya sa konsepto na kung ano ang nakalakihan nilang relihiyon, kung ano ang natutunan nila since child, from the environment, from influence at based in culture.

So ang experience nila sa hell, iba-iba ang experience. Hindi sila magkakasimilar dahil na rin sa depende kung ano ang nakasanayan belief system since child.

Ganun.

Ewan ko lang sa mga taga bible based. Natural , bible lang sila. And so, yung sources na kukunin nila about concept of hell ay malamang, bible lang siya which is of course, some people ay not acceptable sa kanila ang sinasabi ko dito. Haha. Dahil nga you know, bible lang ang truth para sa kanila and relihyon lang nila ang totoo para sa kanila. Ang hindi nila katulad ng belief system is hindi valid sa kanila.

Ganun.

Bale , iyon na po ang sagot ko sa thread topic po. Hindi ko masasabi na si Jesus ang nagsaved ng mga tao from hell...... dahil hindi siya iisang belief system na meron hell. Maraming belief system na meron din concept of hell pero iyon nga lang magkakaiba po sila based on kung ano ang pinaniniwalaan po nila kung ano ang hell para sa kanila.

P.S.

Dagdag ko lang. Alam niyo ba na ang hell ng Buddhism ay marami po sila. Ipagkumpara ang hell ng Christian as general as a whole (madaming Christian beliefs system po kase)... well, kung ipagkumpara ang hell sa Christian, isa lang. Yung iba kase, yung description ng hell sa kanila is fires of hell. Yung iba lang. Isa lang siya pagdating sa concept ng hell from Christian. Sa Buddhism, mas terrifying pa ang hell sa kanila. Mas maraming hell sa Buddhism po. Yung hell realm is I think, hindi mabilang sa kamay. But in Buddhism kase, wala silang concept of punishment like some, I mean some other beliefs ng Abrahamic na ang hell is punishment from their God. Sa Buddhism is a state lang po siya (example: fear, disgust, anger..... -emotions and feelings) - Iyon po.​

Ayus lang sir, thanks for trying to answer my question.

may specific po na verses na makikita po yung sagot. hope someone can bring that up soon. thanks po ulit. =)

 

[Gudguding Aso]

Hindi po. Hindi po itinuturo ng Bibliya ang "maapoy na Impyerno".
Sa katunayan po niyan,ang hell ay katumbas ng Hades(Sheol) o Libingan.
Iba-iba po ang pagkakasalin.
Hell-The Jerusalem Bible &Douay Version
Sheol(Hades)-KJV or ASV

Wala naman pong nabubuhay sa Sheol or Hell.(Ecl9:5,10)

Pero isa po ang segurado Hindi nabulok ang katawan ng ating panginoong Jesus sa Hell (Ps16:10,Acts2:31)

Ang pinangaralan ni Jesus nung nasa Lupa ay mga buhay na tao.
At ang isa pinangaral Niya ay Yung "pagkabuhay mag-uli ng mga patay'.(Juan 5:28,29).

 

[RDennis32]

1 Peter 3:18-20 KJV

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.


Meron pong verse tayo na ganito po - kaya po we can be assured that nangyari ito in Hell.

Jesus is truly magnificent and does not waste time saving souls from hell.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

1 Peter 3:18-20 KJV

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.


Meron pong verse tayo na ganito po - kaya po we can be assured that nangyari ito in Hell.

Jesus is truly magnificent and does not waste time saving souls from hell.

Pano po naging hell ung "prison"? Sa dami ng salita na natranslate into "hell" gaya ng sheol, gehenna, tartarus atbp - na naging subject of debate amongst christian - yet, ung specific salita na ito ay hindi na translate into hell.

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Sa akin. Hellish life po ang hell. A mental state. Kung mapapansin, meron ako nabasa na near-death experience or afterlife experience ng lesbian na nakarating in heavenly afterlife. White light daw. E ang white light is mostly embrace by love. Perfect love na hindi matatagpuan on planet earth. Kaya nga, mostly na nakaranas ng afterlife ay ayaw na bumalik sa earth which is naiintindihan ko naman dahil dito nga sa earth, ang sakit na ng ulo natin dahil ang daming prejudice, discrimination........ madami....... parang wala siyang true love. No wonder why based sa nakaranas, ayaw na nila bumalik pero wala silang magawa kungdi bumalik sa earth.

Sa akin. Hindi siya punishment or whatever unless paniwalaan na meron punishment, magkakaroon nga siya ng punishment pagka namatay ang tao po.​

 

[RDennis32]

Pano po naging hell ung "prison"? Sa dami ng salita na natranslate into "hell" gaya ng sheol, gehenna, tartarus atbp - na naging subject of debate amongst christian - yet, ung specific salita na ito ay hindi na translate into hell.

dont look for translation sir, read the verse and you'd know its not a prison, and for you die first means you were not presently living when you preached to spirits

Sa akin. Hellish life po ang hell. A mental state. Kung mapapansin, meron ako nabasa na near-death experience or afterlife experience ng lesbian na nakarating in heavenly afterlife. White light daw. E ang white light is mostly embrace by love. Perfect love na hindi matatagpuan on planet earth. Kaya nga, mostly na nakaranas ng afterlife ay ayaw na bumalik sa earth which is naiintindihan ko naman dahil dito nga sa earth, ang sakit na ng ulo natin dahil ang daming prejudice, discrimination........ madami....... parang wala siyang true love. No wonder why based sa nakaranas, ayaw na nila bumalik pero wala silang magawa kungdi bumalik sa earth.

Sa akin. Hindi siya punishment or whatever unless paniwalaan na meron punishment, magkakaroon nga siya ng punishment pagka namatay ang tao po.​

that would be a good way to put it if it were only just a state of mind sir, pero hell is a real place kaya dapat there's a good fear to develop to not end up in that place.

Hindi po. Hindi po itinuturo ng Bibliya ang "maapoy na Impyerno".
Sa katunayan po niyan,ang hell ay katumbas ng Hades(Sheol) o Libingan.
Iba-iba po ang pagkakasalin.
Hell-The Jerusalem Bible &Douay Version
Sheol(Hades)-KJV or ASV

Wala naman pong nabubuhay sa Sheol or Hell.(Ecl9:5,10)

Pero isa po ang segurado Hindi nabulok ang katawan ng ating panginoong Jesus sa Hell (Ps16:10,Acts2:31)

Ang pinangaralan ni Jesus nung nasa Lupa ay mga buhay na tao.
At ang isa pinangaral Niya ay Yung "pagkabuhay mag-uli ng mga patay'.(Juan 5:28,29).

gnashing of teeth etc... so many verses sir - about hell dapat lang sir hanapin mo sila.

 

[Asherah Goddess]

that would be a good way to put it if it were only just a state of mind sir, pero hell is a real place kaya dapat there's a good fear to develop to not end up in that place.

Ehhh.... that is the experience po nila. Real place po siya.... hmmm.... oo pero nagiging real place po siya based on mental state na nagrereflect po noon nabubuhay po tayo. Iyon kasi ang experience po. Spiritual world po kasi. Real place po siya pero kaya existing ang real place na itinatawag na as in real because on a mental state na nabuo natin from our experience. Hindi siya parang from philippines na magtatravel lang to Japan dahil it is a real place. A state lang siya. Iyon ang pagkakaunawa ko.​

 

[RDennis32]

Ehhh.... that is the experience po nila. Real place po siya.... hmmm.... oo pero nagiging real place po siya based on mental state na nagrereflect po noon nabubuhay po tayo. Iyon kasi ang experience po. Spiritual world po kasi. Real place po siya pero kaya existing ang real place na itinatawag na as in real because on a mental state na nabuo natin from our experience. Hindi siya parang from philippines na magtatravel lang to Japan dahil it is a real place. A state lang siya. Iyon ang pagkakaunawa ko.​

pwede mo ipagpalagay yun, pero ang basis mo nun is self. the best basis is a tastatment of old like the bible - here's Jesus talking to his disciples telling about hell and those that died in Abrahams timeline.

Those that died up until Abrahams time are in a temporary place in hell called Abrahams Bossom which does not have fire and not hot - but is separated from the tormenting side of hell.

Here hell is specifically depicted with tormenting demons no water at all flames all over.

Luke 16- NASB

The Rich Man and Lazarus

19 “Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, enjoying himself in splendor every day. 20 And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21 and longing to be fed from the scraps which fell from the rich man’s table; not only that, the dogs also were coming and licking his sores. 22 Now it happened that the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s arms; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23 And in Hades he raised his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his [v]arms. 24 And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus, so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26 And [w]besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set, so that those who want to go over from here to you will not be able, nor will any people cross over from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I request of you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28 for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not come to this place of torment as well.’ 29 But Abraham *said, ‘They have [x]Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

 

[Asherah Goddess]

pwede mo ipagpalagay yun, pero ang basis mo nun is self. the best basis is a tastatment of old like the bible - here's Jesus talking to his disciples telling about hell and those that died in Abrahams timeline.

Those that died up until Abrahams time are in a temporary place in hell called Abrahams Bossom which does not have fire and not hot - but is separated from the tormenting side of hell.

Here hell is specifically depicted with tormenting demons no water at all flames all over.

Luke 16- NASB

The Rich Man and Lazarus

19 “Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, enjoying himself in splendor every day. 20 And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21 and longing to be fed from the scraps which fell from the rich man’s table; not only that, the dogs also were coming and licking his sores. 22 Now it happened that the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s arms; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23 And in Hades he raised his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his [v]arms. 24 And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus, so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26 And [w]besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set, so that those who want to go over from here to you will not be able, nor will any people cross over from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I request of you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28 for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not come to this place of torment as well.’ 29 But Abraham *said, ‘They have [x]Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”​

Bale. Ang pagkakaintindi ko ay hindi siya state of mind. Literal na real place ang hell na itinutukoy mo? Na tipong its like traveling from philippines to japan na as in literal na real place of hell po? Na andoon ang punishment? So if ever hindi siya galing sa mental state ng tao kapag namatay at real place po ang itinutukoy ang heaven and hell and so, ang interpretation ba na nauunawaan ko is ang belief system niyo lang ang pawang tama , totoo at mabuti po? Ganun ba iyon? Dahil place po ang heaven and hell , bale ang mga non-christian ay wala na po silang salvation sapagkat ang non-christian ay ang alam ko sa ibang beliefs ay hindi siya katulad ng konsepto niyo about heavenly beings and deities. Iba ang kanila po.

Based sa nakasulat , uhm , hindi sila makakarating sa place ng heaven kapag ang tao ay hindi nakinig sa sino man prophets like Moses and Abraham or anything na meron kilalaman sa Abrahamic beliefs. Kaya nga tinawag na Abrahamic galing kasi kay Abraham descendant po.​

 

[RDennis32]

Bale. Ang pagkakaintindi ko ay hindi siya state of mind. Literal na real place ang hell na itinutukoy mo? Na tipong its like traveling from philippines to japan na as in literal na real place of hell po? Na andoon ang punishment?​

yes po it is a place po.

So if ever hindi siya galing sa mental state ng tao kapag namatay at real place po ang itinutukoy ang heaven and hell and so, ang interpretation ba na nauunawaan ko is ang belief system niyo lang ang pawang tama , totoo at mabuti po?​

nope i cannot position myself to know more - it is a book written for us to know and understand. if we understand it, we will stay with it.

Ganun ba iyon? Dahil place po ang heaven and hell , bale ang mga non-christian ay wala na po silang salvation sapagkat ang non-christian ay ang alam ko sa ibang beliefs ay hindi siya katulad ng konsepto niyo about heavenly beings and deities. Iba ang kanila po.​

this is not complex po, simple lang po ito for all of us, whether christian non christian , kasi God already made a move to cover every man and woman that He created.

“I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people” (Heb. 8:10b).

Even if you dont know God, there is something in you that God planted and it will lead you to do good things and know also if you are also doing bad things, that's a conscience.

Thus, for non christians, if they lived righteously based on the good that God planted in their hearts, then God will honor his soul when this person dies to enter heaven.

yes po it is a place po.



nope i cannot position myself to know more - it is a book written for us to know and understand. if we understand it, we will stay with it.



this is not complex po, simple lang po ito for all of us, whether christian non christian , kasi God already made a move to cover every man and woman that He created.

“I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people” (Heb. 8:10b).

Even if you dont know God, there is something in you that God planted and it will lead you to do good things and know also if you are also doing bad things, that's a conscience.

Thus, for non christians, if they lived righteously based on the good that God planted in their hearts, then God will honor his soul when this person dies to enter heaven.

just to add, para po ito sa mga walang religion po ha, yung walang affiliation sa mga religions. they follow the goodness in their hearts, they may end up in heaven.

pag non christian po kasi, they already have their god, like buddhist, si buddha, hindi po ito applicable sa kanya.

Bale. Ang pagkakaintindi ko ay hindi siya state of mind. Literal na real place ang hell na itinutukoy mo? Na tipong its like traveling from philippines to japan na as in literal na real place of hell po? Na andoon ang punishment? So if ever hindi siya galing sa mental state ng tao kapag namatay at real place po ang itinutukoy ang heaven and hell and so, ang interpretation ba na nauunawaan ko is ang belief system niyo lang ang pawang tama , totoo at mabuti po? Ganun ba iyon? Dahil place po ang heaven and hell , bale ang mga non-christian ay wala na po silang salvation sapagkat ang non-christian ay ang alam ko sa ibang beliefs ay hindi siya katulad ng konsepto niyo about heavenly beings and deities. Iba ang kanila po.

Based sa nakasulat , uhm , hindi sila makakarating sa place ng heaven kapag ang tao ay hindi nakinig sa sino man prophets like Moses and Abraham or anything na meron kilalaman sa Abrahamic beliefs. Kaya nga tinawag na Abrahamic galing kasi kay Abraham descendant po.​

bale po pag hindi sila nakasumpong kay God, they may eventually be in the group of pagan believers - who have a different God. - those who are in this situation are not entirely doomed. Treat this like the arab brothers that we have that suddenly felt something inside them and decided to leave their religious group - this is because what God placed in their Hearts are causing them to guage their affiliation.

If they do go out -then they are solely like having no God to follow but they live their lives out. Eventually - God will be the decision maker if it merits heaven. in my opinion, that move to move out from the religious affiliation is BOLD enough - and plus if he does good, pwede na siya quality sa heaven.

if they are don't have a God, hindi siya pagan - wala lang siyang God. this will fall under that verse i mentioned that God wrong His laws in our hearts - doing good can get this person in Heaven.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

dont look for translation sir, read the verse and you'd know its not a prison, and for you die first means you were not presently living when you preached to spirits

I had an impression na mahalaga maintindihan ang kuntexto na pinanggagalingan ng author para maunawaan ang bibliya. Paano mo nalaman na kaluluwa ng tao ang tinutukoy ng spirit na ito? Lalo na't specified na mula nung panahon ni noah. Kung babasahin natin ung chapter na iyon, possibleng espirito ng mga kaluluwa nung mga sons of God na magulang ng mga nephilim.

 

[HowSoonIsNow]

sa totoo lang ts, wala pang napupunta sa heaven kung pagbabasehan mo eh ang bible. wala kang mababasa doon na napunta ang isang tao sa langit pagkatapos nyang mamatay maliban sa iisang tao na kriminal. yung isang kasabay ni christ na inilagay sa krus. maliban sa kanya, wala na. and to prove it, nakalagay mismo sa new testament na sa judgement day mangyayare pa ang pag hihiwalay ng mga masasama at mabubuti. kung sa tinatanong mo nman na kung ilang souls kaya ang nailigtas ni christ sa impierno, eh wala. wala pang kaluluwang napunta sa impierno ayon na din sa bible.

 

[RDennis32]

sa totoo lang ts, wala pang napupunta sa heaven kung pagbabasehan mo eh ang bible.

meron tao pa mismo sila dinala na sila sa heaven, elijah and enoch

 

[HowSoonIsNow]

meron tao pa mismo sila dinala na sila sa heaven, elijah and enoch

ah yes i forgot enoch pero hindi malaman saan napunta yan si enoch dahil hindi naman namatay yan.

 

[RDennis32]

Kung babasahin natin ung chapter na iyon, possibleng espirito ng mga kaluluwa nung mga sons of God na magulang ng mga nephilim.

hindi kakabig sa nephelim kasi marked na sila pag nephelim, also with their parent who procreated with the fallen angel.

sila ang reason why God decided to bring the flood - so they are not suppose to be saved.

ah yes i forgot enoch pero hindi malaman saan napunta yan si enoch dahil hindi naman namatay yan.

oo sila exemptions. mahirap justify kung sino ba talaga, pero dapat may referencing tayo para naman magka chance tayo. but we have to try to seek more, siguro ito ang nagawa ng thread na ito, to help each other seek more.

 

[Swazhu]

The Bible Jesus is a fiction created by perhaps Jews as their false flag for people controls. Though there might be some persons who had really immense Spiritual powers from time to time in millenia (1k years not jesus based date), but them are no jesus fiction, but maybe has become the basis for the Jesus fiction of the Abrahamic Religions.

 

[RDennis32]

The Bible Jesus is a fiction created by perhaps Jews as their false flag for people controls. Though there might be some persons who had really immense Spiritual powers from time to time in millenia (1k years not jesus based date), but them are no jesus fiction, but maybe has become the basis for the Jesus fiction of the Abrahamic Religions.

if that's how you put it sir, you won't experience more of its revelations, kaya try not to stay where you currently are at with your thoughts

kasi seeking is necessary -if we stop seeking, we won't reach what God wants to reveal to us.

 

[Swazhu]

if that's how you put it sir, you won't experience more of its revelations, kaya try not to stay where you currently are at with your thoughts

kasi seeking is necessary -if we stop seeking, we won't reach what God wants to reveal to us.

You are brainwashed by false illogical gods created by fiction handed down in ages of hearsays. If you like to experience the spiritual world and find a new concept of God from primitive minds, go research scientifically in the world of OOB (out-of-body) meditation. Lol that will take a lot of years, struggle and focus, and few are i think successful. If Successful Therein you will experience the Truth, the Spiritual world and realize the fictions of Abrahamic Religions. Simple logical questions (research is better) exposes the fallacies of the bible, the quoran, the torah.