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Psalm 139:4
Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O Lord, You know it all.

Bago paman daw magsalita (which is an action) ay alam na lahat yun ng diyos

So hindi nalalaman ng diyos lahat dahil sa action. Alam ng diyos yun dahil all-knowing sya (based on definition of God and based on bible)
 
Tama yung verses bro, before we SAY something ALAM na ni God.
because whatever we say (at first), sa heart muna nagmumula, tama?
So kapag na-search na niya laman ng puso mo, bago pa natin salitain yun - GOD KNEW it.
Sana nakuha mo bro.

I could sense the young enthusiasm in you for the Word of God.
Bless u more.
 
Hi brooooww. Wazap uli :)


Meron kasing freewill na ibinigay ang Diyos sa mga nilalang niya na may isip gaya ng tao at mga anghel. Gaya ng sinabi ng article sa post ni TS, binigyan ng pagkakataon ng Diyos sina Adan at Eva para ipakita ang kanilang "PAG-IBIG" sa Diyos sa pamamagitan ng pagbibigay ng isang utos na HINDI MAHIRAP SUNDIN, para malaman kung susundin ba nila Adan at Eva ang Diyos ng "kusa" dahil sa pag-ibig at freewill. Bakit hindi mahirap sundin yan? Kasi ang utos ay pagbabawal lang kainin yung bunga ng isang puno, pero yung LAHAT ng puno maliban dun ay pwede nila kainin.

Kung mapapansin mo din, ginawang sinungaling at madamot at siniraang-puri ng serpent (controlled by Satan) ang Diyos. Kasi ang sabi ng Diyos sa Genesis 2:16, pwede kainin nila Adan yung bawat bunga ng puno na gusto nila. Pero sa Genesis 3:1, ang bungad ni Satan kay Eva ay "Talaga bang sinabi ng Diyos na hindi kayo puwedeng kumain ng bunga mula sa lahat ng puno sa hardin?". Sa Genesis 2:17 ang sabi ng Diyos kapag kumain sila ng bawal na bunga ay mamatay sila. Pero sa Genesis 3:4 ang sabi ni Satan ay "Tiyak na hindi kayo mamamatay!". Jan nagsimula yung issue.

See the difference? Kaya sabi ng article sa post ni TS, hindi ang kapangyarihan ng Diyos ang ni-challenge ni Satan kundi yung karapatan ng Diyos na mamahala sa lahat. At kailangan ng panahon para mapatunayan kung sino ang tama. Balikan mo yung illustration tungkol sa dalawang ama sa post ni TS para maintindihan mo yan brow.


-No. Check mo to.

- Not sure, i-research ko muna para sure ang sagot ko. Ang sure ako ay as long na susunod sila sa Diyos at mananatiling "SAKDAL" o perfect, at as long na mamumuhay sila ng maayos, may chance silang mabuhay ng eternal. Kaya pansin mo nung magkasala sila, naging di sakdal na tao na sila at hinandlangan ng Diyos makita o makain nila Adan yung punong kahoy ng buhay (Genesis 3:24).

Pag sinabi kasing immortal, di ka mamamatay kahit ano mangyari sayo. Kahit basag na ulo mo buhay ka parin, which is hindi makatwiran ;)

- Ang ahas ay isa sa mga nilikha ng Diyos na hayop gaya ng iba tulad ng elepante aso etc. Pero hindi magagawa ng ahas makapagsalita mag-isa. Ang nagsasalita that time ay si Satanas (parang ventriloquist). Kung paano nalamang si Satan yung nagko-control sa ahas that time ay dahil binanggit sa Revelations 12:9 na si Satanas yung "original serpent". Si Satanas ay isang anghel dati at ang rank niya ay isang Cherub. Sa Ezekiel 28:12-15, sinasabi jan na nasa Eden siya that time, at isa siyang "sakdal" na anghel noong nilalang siya ng Diyos. Pero dahil sa may freewill siya, mapapansin mo sa verse 15 na tumubo ang kasamaan sa kaniya.

Isipin mo nalang yung isang baby. Yung baby ba magnanakaw na agad? No. Lumaki yung baby naging bata, pero magnanakaw na ba siya agad? No. Pero kung masanay yung bata na magnakaw kahit sa maliliit na bagay, or through out sa paglaki niya nasasanay na siya magnakaw ng ibang gamit na di kaniya, may possibility na maging magnanakaw na talaga siya (as in full time job magnanakaw haha). Pero may choice siya kung magpapadala siya sa masama or magbabago siya. Yan ang freewill. Ganon ang nangyari kay Satanas.

- Nalaman niya yung utos ng Diyos dahil tao ang PINAKAHULING nilalang ng Diyos. Bago pa nilalang ang tao ay meron ng mga anghel. Kaya nga ng lalangin ng Diyos yung lupa, humiyaw sa papuri yung mga anghel e (Job 38:7). Ano connection niyan?

Marahil ng sinabi ng Diyos sa tao na "magpalaanakin kayo at magpakarami at punuin ang lupa", naisip ni Satanas na pwedeng "SIYA" ang sambahin ng mga taong iyon imbes na yung Diyos. At isa pa ay nasa lupa siya according sa Ezekiel. Kaya nung ma-realized niya yung utos ng Diyos na magpakarami ang tao, ginawa niyang sinungaling at madamot ang Diyos noong niloloko niya si Eva (Genesis 3:1-5) para siya ang sundin. Through out sa history ng tao iniimpluwensiyahan ni Satanas at ng mga demonyo niya yung tao, kaya sabi ng bible "INILILIGAW" niya ang sanlibutan (Revelations 12:9). So yes, natupad ni Satanas yung gusto niyang mangyari na siya ang sundin.

Hindi natapos kina Adan at Eva yung bintang ni Satanas sa Diyos, kasi DINAMAY ni Satanas LAHAT ng tao sa paninirang-puri niya. Noong panahon ni Job, ang bintang ni Satanas sa Diyos na kaya lang sumusunod si Job sa Diyos ay dahil pinagpapala Niya siya. Pero kung hindi daw pagpapalain ng Diyos si Job e siguradong susumpain ni Job ang Diyos. Kaya "HINAYAAN" ng Diyos si Satanas na tuksuhin si Job, sa kondisyon na wag lang itong papatayin (Job 2:6). Pinahirapan ni Satanas si Job at inakala pa nga ni Job na sa Diyos galing yung mga problema niya, pero NANATILING tapat parin si Job sa Diyos sa bandang huli.

Ang challenge ni Satanas sa Diyos ay yung "PAMAMAHALA" niya, hindi yung "POWER" dahil alam niyang talo siya jan. Kailangan lumipas ang panahon para mapatunayan kung sino ang tama... ang bintang ba ni Satanas na hindi kailangan ng tao ang Diyos? O na kailangan ng tao ang Diyos para maging maayos ang lahat? (balikan mo yung illustration sa dalawang ama sa post ni TS para makita mo na kailangan ng panahon jan, hindi palakasan)

Well, sabi nga ni TS, sa 6000 years na lumipas, napatunayan na bigo si Satanas sa bintang niya.

Right after mangyari yung issue sa Eden, gumawa na agad ng paraan ang Diyos, at yun ang pinakaunang hula sa bible (Genesis 3:15). Ang Diyos ay may pangako na AALISIN niya ang LAHAT ng kasamaang naidulot ng pamumuno ni Satanas sa mundo. :)
So based dun sa thread na pinost mo eh god can choose na alamin or hindi ang future?? So sa logic na yun god is not all knowing at that point in time sa eden scene?? And ur assuming na choice nea un na wag alamin.... and how about all those times na god was "angry" sa wickedness ng mankind?? Was that also him choosing not to know everything which would have been vital sa salvation ng many lives instead of ending up killing them??

So how can u trust na ung nireveal neang ending in revelation is true din?
 
Sagutin ko to number 2 ang sagot dyan ay No

2. Was adam and eve created immortal or mortal? Yes, No or u dont know.

Walang tao na magiging imortal..kahit mga angel ay mortal din.. ayon sa bible si Jesus palang ang pinagkalooban ng Diyos ng imortal na buhay..
Would have beem better if u answered the first one too...or u share the samw sentiment as yortz i will ask u the same thing i asked him.

So ano ibig sabihin ni god when he said about eating the fruit na "dahil sa araw na kumain ka mula roon ay tiyak na mamamatay ka"???
Is it fair to say na have they not eaten that fruit eh di sila mamatay? Unless may iba n nmn meaning yan for you.
 
sa Question ni
jayendecastro

I have a few question din sa kwentong yan:
1. Did god knew wat will happen then? Yes, No or u dont know.
2. Was adam and eve created immortal or mortal? Yes, No or u dont know.
3. Did god knowingly created the "serpent" despite him knowing wat he will eventually do?
4. How did the serpent knew about the tree of knowledge??


Sagutin ko ng SHORT version: (most born-again believers may not agree with my answer)
1 - God didn't KNEW what will humans and angelic beings will decide in the future.
2 - Adam & Eve was created "mortal".
3 - God didn't KNEW what Lucifer will decide in the future.
4 - Satan knew, because he was a "witness" in heaven and in the Garden of Eden.

Hope this helps / follow ups are welcome:)
So for you god is not all knowing?

If adam and eve were created mortal....wats the point of god telling them na mamatay sila if they eat from the tree if they will die no matter wat nman pala...
 
jayendcastro,

Yes He is NOT all knowing as others define OMNIscient (wala limits)
The God of the Bible has limitations.
By the way are u an Atheist or agnostic?
before I answer you other question - " If adam and eve were created mortal....wats the point of god......etc "
Thanks for the reply.:)
 
Few premises:

A perfect god who is presumed to be capable of creating perfect beings. Now, if his creation turned out to be imperfect, was it because it was deliberate? If it wasn't deliberate, then he isn't capable of creating perfect beings.

If you created imperfect beings (eg, adam & eve) and yet expected flawless actions and behavior among them, then you must be absurd.

Not unless his definition of perfection is perfectly flawed? LOL!
Another absurdity is a creator who created beings with "limits and flaws" which he supposedly know will not meet his standards and chooses to punish them for it anyways....
 
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Im an atheist. And if we are gonna be engaging in a debate about the definition of atheism id rather have you answer my question na lang.

Can i also ask to which god do you believe in? What qualities does he have that makes him a god?
 
I raised arguments. I did not ask whatever the beliefs of other posters. I want answers that can support your argument. That's all I care.

Now, if you are going to ask every posters about their beliefs so you can tailor your responses. Then you are not being honest, perhaps you are trying to be nice just like you said. Mala-hunyango. But honesty and arguments that hold water are a lot more worthy than being nice.

You can call me agnostic, you can call me nature-lover, you can call me ungodly. I don't really care. What I care is your argument which is missing up to now.

So, let's stop here. And please, don't provide your tailored response.
 
Would have beem better if u answered the first one too...or u share the samw sentiment as yortz i will ask u the same thing i asked him.

So ano ibig sabihin ni god when he said about eating the fruit na "dahil sa araw na kumain ka mula roon ay tiyak na mamamatay ka"???
Is it fair to say na have they not eaten that fruit eh di sila mamatay? Unless may iba n nmn meaning yan for you.
Ang ibig lang sabihin nyan ay hinatulan sila ng kamatayan sa diwa na nung mismong araw na yan ay naging patay sila sa paningin ng Diyos
 
Nagbabala si Jehova kina Adan at Eva na kung sila ay masuwayin at kakain mula sa punungkahoy ng pagkakilala ng mabuti at masama, sila ay mamamatay “sa araw” na kumain sila. (Genesis 2:17) Gaya ng sinabi niya, pinapanagot sila ni Jehova sa mismong araw na nagkasala sila at ipinahayag ang hatol na kamatayan. Sa pangmalas ng Diyos, sina Adan at Eva ay namatay nang araw na iyon. Gayunman, upang maisakatuparan ang kaniyang layunin hinggil sa lupa, hinayaan sila ni Jehova na magkaroon ng pamilya bago sila mamatay sa pisikal na paraan. Magkagayunman, yamang maaaring malasin ng Diyos na isang araw ang 1,000 taon, nang magwakas ang buhay ni Adan sa gulang na 930 taon, ito ay sa loob pa rin ng isang “araw.” (2 Pedro 3:8; Genesis 5:3-5)
 
Thanks for responding homer_

I know your getting frustrated.
But I'm not other bible believers who gave answers right away. (I'm just being careful on what should I answer)
You will NOT be satisfied as we answer your inquiries since you don't know your world view yet. (agnostic? or what?)
You can be honest with that right? [if you don't want to admit that, it's ok. We will know the more you reply.]
I'm not calling people here with names such as: "ungodly, gentledog, or mahina utak"
I know you are a good person, taking care of your family, and thinking logically.
And so, we're here to help people with questions who need Logical answers.

Now to your question: il try to answer this as brief as possible.
Since God is the Author of Life. He has the right to take it away.
During the Flood of Noah, God FOUND him as righteous with his family.
The wicked dies. (and will Face Eternal Fire in the Future).
The innocent dies (saving them for Heaven).
Hope that helps.:)
 
jayendecastro,

God is all knowing, but not OMNIscient as others define Him to have no LIMITS.
I appreciate you being an atheist.
Let's converse politely and be civil, so others would benefit.
you ask me a question, I may need to clarify the question, then I will answer,
Without clarification from your question - I will fail to answer.

Once I see inconsistencies with your statements or mine, let's change it ok.
To answer your question,
The God I believe in is the same God you deny.
Hope that helps.:)
 
jayendecastro,

God is all knowing, but not OMNIscient as others define Him to have no LIMITS.
I appreciate you being an atheist.
Let's converse politely and be civil, so others would benefit.
you ask me a question, I may need to clarify the question, then I will answer,
Without clarification from your question - I will fail to answer.

Once I see inconsistencies with your statements or mine, let's change it ok.
To answer your question,
The God I believe in is the same God you deny.
Hope that helps.:)
Thats not really a direct answer is it.... An atheist basically does not believe in any god.. if i follow ur logic then u believe in any god that i dont believe in.. just tell me which god do u believe in.. god of the bible, allah, any hindu god, zues... Which one and what are the qualities of the god that u specifically believe in..

U still havent answered my first question btw.
 
Nagbabala si Jehova kina Adan at Eva na kung sila ay masuwayin at kakain mula sa punungkahoy ng pagkakilala ng mabuti at masama, sila ay mamamatay “sa araw” na kumain sila. (Genesis 2:17) Gaya ng sinabi niya, pinapanagot sila ni Jehova sa mismong araw na nagkasala sila at ipinahayag ang hatol na kamatayan. Sa pangmalas ng Diyos, sina Adan at Eva ay namatay nang araw na iyon. Gayunman, upang maisakatuparan ang kaniyang layunin hinggil sa lupa, hinayaan sila ni Jehova na magkaroon ng pamilya bago sila mamatay sa pisikal na paraan. Magkagayunman, yamang maaaring malasin ng Diyos na isang araw ang 1,000 taon, nang magwakas ang buhay ni Adan sa gulang na 930 taon, ito ay sa loob pa rin ng isang “araw.” (2 Pedro 3:8; Genesis 5:3-5)
So for you adam and eve is mortal...god knew this yet he threatened them with death in case kumain sila sa tree... But the "death" is patay na sila paningin ni god....and they eventually die after almost a millenia (1 day kay god kamo).... So they succumbed to two kinds of death... Death in the eyes of the lord and literal death.... Kinda harsh noh??? Imagin living that long tas ung nagcreate sayo eh looked at you as if ur dead na...


Ot lang .. how old is the earth now by ur computation?
 
So for you adam and eve is mortal...god knew this yet he threatened them with death in case kumain sila sa tree... But the "death" is patay na sila paningin ni god....and they eventually die after almost a millenia (1 day kay god kamo).... So they succumbed to two kinds of death... Death in the eyes of the lord and literal death.... Kinda harsh noh??? Imagin living that long tas ung nagcreate sayo eh looked at you as if ur dead na...


Ot lang .. how old is the earth now by ur computation?
Ang ibig lang sabihin ng patay sa paningin ng Diyos ay wala na sakanila ang pagsangayon ng Diyos kaya hinatulan sila ng kamatayan dahil sa kanilang tahasang pagsuway sa utos ng Diyos na nagbigay ng buhay nila pati na ng mga bagay na pwede sanang magpasaya sakanila magpakailanman..
 
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