🕯️ Traditions WHAT DOES JESUS MEAN WHEN HE SAID THAT HE IS THE "I AM". UNDERSTANDING JOHN 8:56-59

[Deleted member 1523148]

Shalom.


John 8:56-59
"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."
So the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?"
Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."
Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.

Let's dissect John 8:56-59




1. His Audience - Jewish Leaders.

Jesus knew that these people are well educated with The Old Testament. This is a form of setting the atmosphere right.
Him giving clues ==> People around Him whom should understand it ==> Us learning from it.


2. JESUS gave clue that He is in fact GOD.

Check this words:
"....before Abraham WAS born, I AM."

WAS vs. AM

Jesus sets the record straight that Abraham indeed HAVE A BEGINNING AND ENDING thus making Abraham PART OF THE CHRONOS/TIME = WAS.

But, be.ar in mind that when JESUS was explaining who He is, He used the word:
I AM.
Which is in fact a CLUE that "AM" is GREATER that "WAS".
Him being greater than Abraham.
Him being greater than time.
Because HE IS NOT PART OF THE CHRONOS/TIME.
Because if He also have beginning and ending, He would have said:
"........before Abraham was born, I was." BUT HE DID NOT SAY IT LIKE THIS.


3. The Connection to Exodus 3:13-15

When God was talking to Moses via burning bush, Moses asked "what is your name God?"
God said "I AM WHO I AM....... I AM has sent you"


4. The Jewish Leaders believed that Jesus commits "blasphemy".

These Jewish Leaders believed that Jesus commits blasphemy because He made Himself equal with God (Read John 5:18) when He said the "I AM". Again, Jesus knew how these people think. Jesus also knew that they are well aware of the old testament. Lev 24:16 said that whoever commits blasphemy shall be put to death.

Now, this question is for you who are reading this...

Did Jesus lied and commited blasphemy when He said He is equal with God?
Or He said the plain truth and He is in fact God?

Choose your answer wisely.






God bless..
Jesus Christ is coming back.

 

[Alpha_1022]

"I Am" because he cannot use past tense,he existed before time so it is unecessary to impliment himself to something he is beyond.

 

[Deleted member 1523148]

"I Am" because he cannot use past tense,he existed before time so it is unecessary to impliment himself to something he is beyond.

Agreed... The God that is beyond "our" time.

 

[treskia]

Iba interpretasyon mo,

Before clause yan ofc subject to time/chronos yan

We commonly use before with the past simple tense. It suggests that the second event happened soon after the first one. The before clause, which indicates the second action, can be at the end or at the beginning of the sentence:

I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA ang tamang pakilala ni Jesus Christ, meaning may beginning nga Sya as firstborn nga, kasama Siya sa time, in fact namatay nga sya sa krus, lahat ng may pinagmulan ay may kamatayan at hangganan at ang hangganan nga ay subject to time/chronology. Namatay nga Siya ngunit ngayoy buhay at mananatiling buhay magpakailanman. Tanging ang Diyos Ama ang nabubuhay magpakailanman na hindi kailanman nakaranas ng kamatayan o hangganan dahil yung Ama lang ang hindi bahagi ng time at walang pinagmulan.

 

[Deleted member 1523148]

Iba interpretasyon mo,

Before clause yan ofc subject to time/chronos yan

We commonly use before with the past simple tense. It suggests that the second event happened soon after the first one. The before clause, which indicates the second action, can be at the end or at the beginning of the sentence:

I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA ang tamang pakilala ni Jesus Christ, meaning may beginning nga Sya as firstborn nga, kasama Siya sa time, in fact namatay nga sya sa krus, lahat ng may pinagmulan ay may kamatayan at hangganan at ang hangganan nga ay subject to time/chronology. Namatay nga Siya ngunit ngayoy buhay at mananatiling buhay magpakailanman. Tanging ang Diyos Ama ang nabubuhay magpakailanman na hindi kailanman nakaranas ng kamatayan o hangganan dahil yung Ama lang ang hindi bahagi ng time at walang pinagmulan.

Luh?

 

[treskia]

Because HE IS NOT PART OF THE CHRONOS/TIME.
Because if He also have beginning and ending, He would have said:
"........before Abraham was born, I was." BUT HE DID NOT SAY IT LIKE THIS.

Luh? Patawa ka sir, basic english grammar knowledge

Obvious naman na before clause yan and to say na...
"........before Abraham was born, I was."
Ay maling mali dahil applying the basic before grammar rule, I AM lang ang talagang applicable dyan dahil relative to time ang WAS at AM na binanggit dyan dahil BEFORE clause nga ang ginamit sa beginning ng statement.

 

[Deleted member 1523148]

Because HE IS NOT PART OF THE CHRONOS/TIME.
Because if He also have beginning and ending, He would have said:
"........before Abraham was born, I was." BUT HE DID NOT SAY IT LIKE THIS.

Luh? Patawa ka sir, basic english grammar knowledge

Obvious naman na before clause yan and to say na...
"........before Abraham was born, I was."
Ay maling mali dahil applying the basic before grammar rule, I AM lang ang talagang applicable dyan dahil relative to time ang WAS at AM na binanggit dyan dahil BEFORE clause nga ang ginamit sa beginning ng statement.

Lah???

 

[treskia]

Lah???

Wala to misleading and misquoting what Jesus had actually said, is tantamount to BLASPHEMY. INGAT SA PAG INTERPRET AT PAG PREACH KUNG LAH lang at LUH ang pang support mo.

 

[Thea18]

Jn.5:18 Dahil dito nga'y lalo nang pinagsikapan ng mga Judio na siya'y patayin, sapagka't hindi lamang sinira ang araw ng sabbath, kundi tinatawag din naman na kaniyang sariling Ama ang Dios, na siya'y nakikipantay sa Dios.

Tama ka ts,nakikipantay nga si kristo sa Ama, saan?sa pagiging Dios niya.tama parihas nga silang Dios pero sa muli pagdating sa authority mas makapangyariyan ang Ama kaysa Anak.

Yamang tinanggap ninyo na nakikipantay si Kristo sa Ama diba dapat tanggapin niyo rin yong naunang sinabi ni san Juan?at mismo si juan ang nagsabi:

"sapagka't hindi lamang sinira ang araw ng sabbath,"

May palusot kayo dyan,pero malinaw si san Juan ang nagsabi niyan.kakatwa naman yong huli niyang sinabi tanggap ninyo pero yong nauna tutol kayo bakit?dahil ba sasalungat sa paniniwala niyo?