🕯️ Traditions Is there a scientific way of discovering biblical truth? (part 1)

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Is There a Scientific Way of Discovering Biblical Truth? (Part 1)



In this website, I am not promoting or campaigning for the glory of any man, but the glory of my God and His Son, Jesus Christ.

PROVERBS 25:27
It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.

It is God’s delight in a man to know how to glorify his God.

JEREMIAH 9:23-24
23 Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.

God is love; and love does not delight in the opposite of truth.

1 JOHN 4:16 (RSV)
So we know and believe the love God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

1 CORINTHIANS 13:4, 6 (RSV)
4 Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful…
6 …it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right.

It is right and sensible to believe that every good thing that happens comes from God. So, it is God’s glory that must prevail over any others.

There are comments being sent to me that say that I am like Paul or the Lord Jesus Christ as if I am in a level equal to or, to some, even higher than them! To these I vehemently disagree! I am simply Brother Eli. I may not be perfectly witty, but I am perfectly me. My person, if I were to be asked, is the least of all Christians in this dispensation. Once, the Apostle Paul claimed to be the least.

EPHESIANS 3:8
Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ…

Now, I do not say that mine is a claim but a belief regarding myself. I may be speaking to an audience larger than the audience of the Lord Jesus and the Apostle Paul in the past, but that does not make me in any sense greater than my Lord.

JOHN 13:16
Verily, verily, I say unto you, the servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

There are those who claim that they are sent by God like, Joseph Smith, the Pope (being elected by the College of Cardinals of the RCC), Jose Luis Miranda (who claims that he is the Christ just like Apollo Quiboloy and others), but I believe that they are all liars in light of the verses of the very scriptures they hold, and which they pretend to be preaching!

Jesus Christ, when He comes, will not come unnoticed.

MATTHEW 24:24-27
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

These religious leaders who place themselves in equal level with Christ and the Apostles are under delusion to believe, among others, that they have taken the place of Christ.

HEBREWS 7:23-24
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

2 THESSALONIANS 2:11-12
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Their followers are definitely misled.

2 CORINTHIANS 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

They do not serve the Lord; but their own belly—looking for their own glory.

ROMANS 16:18
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
PHILIPPIANS 3:19
Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.
JOHN 7:18
He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Someone who is truly sent by God does not claim by himself that he is sent, unless after God has told him so.

HEBREWS 5:4-5
4 And no man taketh this honor unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made a high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, today have I begotten thee.

The Apostles wrote and said that they were sent by God after God had told them.

ACTS 26:17-18 (NKJV)
17 I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you,
18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:19-20
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us; we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.

They are not self-appointed ambassadors; but were sent and appointed by God with witnesses that testify of their being sent.

Peter testified of the Apostle Paul:

2 PETER 3:15
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you…

Paul testified of Apostle Peter:

GALATIANS 2:8-9
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the *********ion, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles):
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the *********ion.

They were commissioned by God.

2 CORINTHIANS 10:18
For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.

How do we know that they were approved and commended of the Lord? Their teachings are free from errors and deceits.

1 THESSALONIANS 2:3-4
3 For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in guile:
4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.

2 TIMOTHY 2:15 (ESV)
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

It is in listening and following this kind of preachers that we can be sure of salvation!

1 TIMOTHY 4:16
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

But how about Brother Eli?

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bakit si soriano nasa unahan hahaha

 

[homer_simpson]

"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn

in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his

throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and

all the firstborn of cattle." (Exodus 12:29)


"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill

every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls

who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

(Moses - Numbers 31:17)


"And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his

sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly

destoyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city

we left none to remain:" (Deuteronomy 2:33-34)


"And the LORD said unto me, 'Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all

his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as

thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon'.......

And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon,

utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city."

(Deuteronomy 3:2-6)


"This is what the LORD says: Now go and smite Amalek, and

utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both

man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass ....'

And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."

(1 Samuel 15:3,7-8)


"And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that

Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick... And it came to

pass on the seventh day, that the child died..." (2 Samuel 12:15-18)


"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the

way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him,

and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of

the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare

forty and two children of them." (2 Kings 2:23-24)


"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is

joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be

dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and

their wives ravished...... Their bows also shall dash the young men to

pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye

shall not spare children." (Isaiah 13:15-18)


"Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that

they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with

cities... For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts..."

(Isaiah 14:21-22)


"And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and

the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have

mercy, but destroy them." (Jeremiah 13:14)


"The hands of the pitiful women have sodden their own children: they

were their meat in the destruction of the daughter of my people. The

Lord hath accomplished his fury; he hath poured out his fierce anger, and

hath kindled a fire in Zion, and it hath devoured the foundations thereof."

(Lamentations 4:10-11)


"And the Lord said unto him,... And to the others he said in mine hearing,

Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither

have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children,

and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin

at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the

house." (Ezekiel 9:4-6)


"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with

her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I

will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that

I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every

one of you according to your works." (Jesus - Revelation 2:22-23)

 

[Thea18]

"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn

in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his

throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and

all the firstborn of cattle." (Exodus 12:29)


"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill

every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls

who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

(Moses - Numbers 31:17)


"And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his

sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly

destoyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city

we left none to remain:" (Deuteronomy 2:33-34)


"And the LORD said unto me, 'Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all

his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as

thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon'.......

And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon,

utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city."

(Deuteronomy 3:2-6)


"This is what the LORD says: Now go and smite Amalek, and

utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both

man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and *** ....'

And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."

(1 Samuel 15:3,7-8)


"And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that

Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick... And it came to

pass on the seventh day, that the child died..." (2 Samuel 12:15-18)


"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the

way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him,

and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of

the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare

forty and two children of them." (2 Kings 2:23-24)


"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is

joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be

dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and

their wives ravished...... Their bows also shall dash the young men to

pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye

shall not spare children." (Isaiah 13:15-18)


"Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that

they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with

cities... For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts..."

(Isaiah 14:21-22)


"And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and

the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have

mercy, but destroy them." (Jeremiah 13:14)


"The hands of the pitiful women have sodden their own children: they

were their meat in the destruction of the daughter of my people. The

Lord hath accomplished his fury; he hath poured out his fierce anger, and

hath kindled a fire in Zion, and it hath devoured the foundations thereof."

(Lamentations 4:10-11)


"And the Lord said unto him,... And to the others he said in mine hearing,

Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither

have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children,

and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin

at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the

house." (Ezekiel 9:4-6)


"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with

her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I

will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that

I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every

one of you according to your works." (Jesus - Revelation 2:22-23)

Boss naniniwala pala kayo sa biblia?ganyan lang pala kakapal yang libro na yan ano.

 

[homer_simpson]

Naniniwala ba ako na MAY bibliya? Of course I do! The same way I believe that qu'ran, tripitaka, smirti, pl(a)yboy and penthouse magazines exist. The contents makes an object exists. If it is truthful or not is irrelevant.

I will let you interepret the verses in the bible I have posted earlier and I will appreciate if you can share your thoughts on that.

 

[Thea18]

Naniniwala ba ako na MAY bibliya? Of course I do! The same way I believe that qu'ran, tripitaka, smirti, pl(a)yboy and penthouse magazines exist. The contents makes an object exists. If it is truthful or not is irrelevant.

I will let you interepret the verses in the bible I have posted earlier and I will appreciate if you can share your thoughts on that.

Sabi nyo boss naniniwala kayo sa biblia.matanong ko lang po kayo ano po pagkakaintindi nyo rito

Esek.
6:9 At silang nangakatanan sa inyo ay aalalahanin ako sa gitna ng mga bansa na pagdadalhan sa kanilang bihag, kung paanong ako'y nakipagkasira sa kanilang masamang kalooban na humiwalay sa akin, at sa kanilang mga mata, na yumaong sumamba sa kanilang mga diosdiosan; at sila'y magiging kasuklamsuklam sa kanilang sariling paningin dahil sa mga kasamaan na kanilang nagawa sa lahat nilang kasuklamsuklam.
6:10 At kanilang malalaman na ako ang Panginoon: hindi ako nagsalita ng walang kabuluhan na aking gagawin ang kasamaang ito sa kanila.

 

[homer_simpson]

Copycat ka talaga. Di mo pa nga interpret yung list of verses ko, kopya mo agad ideya ko.

 

[Thea18]

Copycat ka talaga. Di mo pa nga interpret yung list of verses ko, kopya mo agad ideya ko.

Ito pala ang paraan nyo ng pakikipagdebate boss,magbibigay kayo ng pain at dadalhin ang usapan doon sa gusto nyong puntahan.what a nice strategy...yon bang mga verse na binigay nyo boss,yon ba yong term na ang interpretation nyo may cide by cide sa dulo..ha..ha..ha..

 

[homer_simpson]

That is not "pain". That is presenting an argument which you tried to refute by simple copying the same argument that I presented earlier.

What I am trying home in here is, since you all religious people always say that god is good, merciful etcetera etcetera. Now, the verses I listed, being written in the bible (which you claim as THE ONE) try to get you interpretation of those such that it aligns with the notion that god is always loving and merciful which is what you truly believe, isn't it? Or, are you denying the existence of those verses? If you are not denying them, refute them!

 

[Lets-All-Love-Lain]

"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn

in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his

throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and

all the firstborn of cattle." (Exodus 12:29)


"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill

every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls

who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

(Moses - Numbers 31:17)


"And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his

sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly

destoyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city

we left none to remain:" (Deuteronomy 2:33-34)


"And the LORD said unto me, 'Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all

his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as

thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon'.......

And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon,

utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city."

(Deuteronomy 3:2-6)


"This is what the LORD says: Now go and smite Amalek, and

utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both

man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and *** ....'

And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."

(1 Samuel 15:3,7-8)


"And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that

Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick... And it came to

pass on the seventh day, that the child died..." (2 Samuel 12:15-18)


"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the

way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him,

and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of

the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare

forty and two children of them." (2 Kings 2:23-24)


"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is

joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be

dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and

their wives ravished...... Their bows also shall dash the young men to

pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye

shall not spare children." (Isaiah 13:15-18)


"Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that

they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with

cities... For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts..."

(Isaiah 14:21-22)


"And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and

the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have

mercy, but destroy them." (Jeremiah 13:14)


"The hands of the pitiful women have sodden their own children: they

were their meat in the destruction of the daughter of my people. The

Lord hath accomplished his fury; he hath poured out his fierce anger, and

hath kindled a fire in Zion, and it hath devoured the foundations thereof."

(Lamentations 4:10-11)


"And the Lord said unto him,... And to the others he said in mine hearing,

Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither

have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children,

and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin

at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the

house." (Ezekiel 9:4-6)


"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with

her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I

will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that

I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every

one of you according to your works." (Jesus - Revelation 2:22-23)

halata pong hindi kayo nag babasa ng bible puro si copy paste lang ginawa mo sa google tapos nag search ng kill children bible lol. pinag sama pa ung old testament at new testament.

ang bible may kwento di ung puro ka si google, binabasa mo ang bible ng maige parang normal na libro
ung mga nangyari dyan ay sa panahon ni moses at yun ung mga darker times na mas masahol pa sa hayop ung mga tao sa mundo.

old testament un.

meron ba nakasulat na dapat mo sundin ung mga nasa old testament na kabrutalan?
ang sagot hindi.

dahil na inamyendahan ng new testament ung mga rules via jesus christ.

Acts 13:39

Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

Hebrews 7:12

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 9:11

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

so need mo ba sundin ung law of moses?
hindi.

ang new amendment law ay.

Mark 12:30-31

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[a] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”

Matthew 5:43-48

[ Love for Enemies ] “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous

Matt. 7:12

do unto others as you would have them do unto you

Exodus 20:2-17

Thou shalt have no other gods before me

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain

Honour thy father and thy mother

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Thou shalt not commit adultery

Thou shalt not s†éál

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour

Thou shalt not covet (neighbour's house)

Thou shalt not covet (neighbour's wife)

Thou shalt not covet (neighbour's slaves, animals, or anything else)

etc.

so saan na ung pumatay na sinasabi mo? saan na ung defense mo?

 

[homer_simpson]

Sabi mo:
"dahil na inamyendahan ng new testament ung mga rules via jesus christ."

May pruweba ka ba o haka-haka mo lang?

 

[Thea18]

Sabi mo:
"dahil na inamyendahan ng new testament ung mga rules via jesus christ."

May pruweba ka ba o haka-haka mo lang?

Nasa taas boss,pakibasa boss isang halimbawa dyan yong utos na "WAG MANGANGALUNYA" sa batas naman ni kristo "tumingin ps lang sa babae ng may masamang hangad nagkakasala na ng pangangalunya"

Easy ka lang boss,high blood kana naman eh,namumutawi na naman sa bibig mo ang mga salitang paborito nyong(mga athiest) banggitin.

Umunawa kayo boss,wag lang magbasa.tanggapin nyo na hindi lahat ng usapan mapupunta sa bakuran nyo hahaha.

 

[homer_simpson]

Teka, teka dinala mo naman agad sa 10 utos. Yung tinukoy ng kaanib mo na "inamyendahan" na daw ng new testament yung old testament. May pruweba ba dun?

Balik tayo sa 10 utos mo. "Wag papatay". Ilang holy characters sa bible ang pumatay. Si moses at david ilan lang sa halimbawa ng mga pumatay. O may license to kill sila? Enlighten me, please.

 

[Thea18]

Teka, teka dinala mo naman agad sa 10 utos. Yung tinukoy ng kaanib mo na "inamyendahan" na daw ng new testament yung old testament. May pruweba ba dun?

Balik tayo sa 10 utos mo. "Wag papatay". Ilang holy characters sa bible ang pumatay. Si moses at david ilan lang sa halimbawa ng mga pumatay. O may license to kill sila? Enlighten me, please.

Ano ba yan boss,hindi ba kayo umuunawa?uulitin ko boss noong una ang sabi "WAG MANGANGALUNYA"sa panahon naman ni kristo mas hinigpitan na kasi " TUMINGIN PA LANG SA BABAE NA MAY MASAMANG HANGAD NAGKAKASALA NA NG PANGANGALUNYA"diba maliwanag na amyenda yan?mas hinigpitan para sa isip mo palang madisiplina na di gumawa ng pangangalunya.

Yon lang boss ang concern ko wag nang dagdagan ung usapan.kaya di natatapos ang usapan eh kumakana nanaman kayo ng art nyo.

 

[homer_simpson]

Hirap sayo evasive ka. May ipinost ako verses at ipina-interpret sa inyo. Gumaya kayo. Tapos kumana kayo na kesyo "inamyendahan". Humingi ako ng pruweba, kumana yung isa ng 10 utos. Ok pinatulan ko, na 1 sa 10 utos yung wag kang papatay. Pero ilang personahe sa bibliya ang pumatay. Hindi nyo ma-justify.

Paano mo nasabi yung pinagbabanat mo ang amendments? Sinabi ba sa new testament na may bagong amendments? Those are just pure conjectures on your part.

Hirap sayo hindi nyo kaya i-justify yung contents ng bible nyo kaya panay palusot kayo.

 

[Lets-All-Love-Lain]

Hirap sayo evasive ka. May ipinost ako verses at ipina-interpret sa inyo. Gumaya kayo. Tapos kumana kayo na kesyo "inamyendahan". Humingi ako ng pruweba, kumana yung isa ng 10 utos. Ok pinatulan ko, na 1 sa 10 utos yung wag kang papatay. Pero ilang personahe sa bibliya ang pumatay. Hindi nyo ma-justify.

Paano mo nasabi yung pinagbabanat mo ang amendments? Sinabi ba sa new testament na may bagong amendments? Those are just pure conjectures on your part.

Hirap sayo hindi nyo kaya i-justify yung contents ng bible nyo kaya panay palusot kayo.

kung di ka nagbabasa ng maayos ito ginawa sa new testament.

Acts 13:39

Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

Hebrews 7:12

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 9:11

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

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pilit mo ung sinasabi mo eh di nga makakapunta sa promise land si moses dahil pasaway eh nung una.


Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock at Horeb, and you shall strike the rock, and water shall come out of it, and the people will drink.” And Moses did so, in the sight of the elders of Israel. (Exodus 17:6 ESV)

Later on, God tells Moses to speak to a rock, promising to make water flow in the desert again. However, Moses strikes the rock again instead of speaking to it. Because of just this one thing, God tells Moses that he will no longer be permitted bring the people into the Promised Land.

Deuteronomy 3:23-7:11 -source (moses pleading to god to forgive him)

Moses did not go gently into the night. When God in wrath against Moses and Aaron vowed "Therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them". Moses did not take it to heart. He decided not to implore God to do away with this sentence because he remembered the precept "Do not attempt to dissolve thy neighbor's vow in the moment that he has made it". So, Moses waited forty years before he approached God with the request to permit him to enter the promised land with Israel. Moses was convinced that God would change His mind. God ten times decreed that Moses was to die in the desert but he thought how often did Israel sin and yet when I, Moses prayed for them God annùlléd the punishment He has decreed. Surely God should accept my prayer if I, a man who has never sinned should pray to Him.

Moses erred. God informed him that he was to look upon the promised land from Mount Abarim as he should never enter it.

Moses put on sackcloth, threw himself upon the ashes and prayed not less than fifteen hundred prayers for the annulment of the divine resolve against him. He drew a circle about himself and stood in the center of it and said "

"I will not move from this spot until judgment shall have been suspended." God bade the angels not to accept Moses' prayer because Moses' doom of death had been sealed by Him. Moses' prayer made the heavens and earth tremble, for his prayer was like a sword that slashes and rends. Moses began his long prayer by saying "Lord of the world, consider how much I had to bear for the sake of Israel until they became the people of Thy claim and of Thy possession. I suffered with them, shall I not then take part in their rejoicing? Look Thou by forbidding me to enter the promised land Thou givest the lie for Thy Torah for it says 'In his day Thou shalt give they laborer his hire'. Where then God is my hire for the forty years during which I labored for the sake of Thy children? With them I suffered pain. Shall I not behold their good fortune as well? But Thou tellest me that I may not cross the Jordan. All the time that we were in the desert I could not sit quietly in the academy teaching and pronouncing judgment. But now that I should be able to do so Thou, God tellest me that I may not?"

Moses continued "May the mercy in Thee precede Thy justice so that my prayer may be answered. For I well know that there is no mercy in justice. God, Thou Thyself pointed out to me that it is Your desire that people should pray to You to cancel punishment that was laid upon them. When Israel committed the terrible sin, the worship of the Golden Calf, You said to me 'Let Me alone that I may destroy them and blot out their name from under heaven.' I then thought 'Who can restrain God that He should say 'Let me alone'? It is plain that God desires me to pray for His children and I prayed and was answered. The prayer of the individual for the community was answered but not so the prayer of the community for one individual? God, You keep Your covenant but with me You break it. For You have said 'Die in the mount whither thou goest up'. In the Torah Thy words are 'If the servant shall plainly say I love my master, my wife and my children; I will not go out free. Then his master shall bring him unto the judges and he shall serve him forever.' I implore You God, hear my cry. Attend to my prayer. Let me serve You forever."

Moses' petition continued "If You will not let me enter the promised land as a leader, let me at least enter it as a common citizen. And if that request also be denied grant me at least that after my death my bones may be carried to the other side of the Jordan. God answers Moses and recalls Moses' limitations. "Moses, do you not recall that when I wanted to send you to Egypt you declined My request with the word 'Behold they will not believe me"?

Moses insisted that he is not deserving of death. God explains that Moses must be because he is the descendant of Adam upon whose sons God had pronounced death. Adam died and so must he.

But Moses said "But Lord to Adam You gave a command that could easily be obeyed and yet he disobeyed it and thereby merited death. But I have not transgressed any of Thy commandments."

GOD: "Abraham also who sanctified My name in the world died."

MOSES: "Yes, but Abraham issued Ishmael whose descendants aroused Thy anger."

GOD: "Isaac also who laid his neck upon the altar to be offered as a sacrifice to me died."

MOSES: "But from Isaac issued Esau who will destroy the Temple and burn thy house."

GOD: "From Jacob issued twelve tribes that did not anger Me and yet he died."

MOSES: "But he did not ascend into heaven, his feet did not tread the clouds. Thou didst not speak with him face-to-face and he did not receive the Torah out of Your hand."

GOD: "Speak no more unto Me of this matter.

MOSES: "Lord of the world, future generations will perhaps say 'Had not God found evil in Moses He would not have taken him out of the world.

GOD: "I have already written in My Torah and there hath not arisen since a prophet in Israel like unto Moses."

MOSES: "Future generation will perhaps say that I had probably acted in accordance with Thy will in my youth but that in my old age I no longer did Thy will."
Moses continued, "Lord of the world let me enter into the land, live there two or three years and then die.

GOD: "I have resolved that thou shalt not go there."

MOSES: "If I may not enter into it in my life time let me reach it after my death."

GOD: "No. Neither dead nor alive shalt thou go into the land."

MOSES: "Why this wrath against me?"

GOD: "Because you sanctified Me not in the midst of the children of Israel."

MOSES: "With all Your creatures You deal according to the quality of mercy, forgiving them their sins once, twice and three times. But me You will not forgive
even one single sin."

GOD: "Outside of this sin of which you are aware, you have committed six other sins. At the very first when I appeared to you, you said 'Oh my Lord send I pray thee by the hand of him whom Thou will send' and you did refuse to obey My commandments to go to Egypt. Second, you
accused Me of having only armed Israel instead of aiding them. Third, you said to Israel calling them rebels 'Hear now ye rebels' and did insult My children. Moreover, you are risen up in your father's stead an increase of sinful men."

MOSES: "I only followed Your example. For You too called them sinners."

GOD: "But I did not characterize their fathers as sinners."

MOSES: "Oh Lord of the world how often did Israel sin and how often did You forgive them?

GOD: "The punishment that is laid upon the community is different from the punishment that is laid upon the individual. For I am not so severe in the treatment of the community as I am in dealing with the individual."

MOSES: "Lord of the world, rise up from the throne of justice and seat Thyself upon the throne of mercy and grant me life. Hand me not over to the sword of the angel of death. If you grant me my prayer then I shall sound Your praises to all the inhabitants. I do not wish to die but live and
declare the works of the Lord."

GOD: "This is the gate of the Lord. The righteous shall enter into it. This is the gate into which the righteous must enter as well as other creatures for death has been decreed for man since the beginning of the world."

And Moses persisted and said to God that is his life was spared he would be able everlastingly to restrain Israel from sin.

GOD: "Let is suffice thee. If you life were to be spared men should mistake thee and make a god of thee and worship thee."
Now the dialogue increases and Moses said, "I have been tested at the time of the golden calf and I destroyed it. Why then should I die?"

GOD: "Whose son art thou?"

MOSES: "Amram's son."

GOD: "And whose son was Amram?"

MOSES: "Izhar's son."

GOD: "And whose son was he?"

MOSES: "Kohat's son."

GOD: "And whose son was he?"

MOSES: "Levi's son."

GOD: "And from whom did all of these descend?"

MOSES: "From Adam."

GOD: "Was the life of any of these spared?"

MOSES: "They all died."

GOD: "And thou wishes to live on?"

MOSES: "Lord of the world, Adam stole the forbidden fruit and ate of it. And it was on this account that You punished him with death. But did I ever s†éál anything from You? You Yourself did write of me 'My servant Moses who is faithful in all mine house.'"

GOD: "Are you worthier than Noah?"

MOSES: "Yes. When You sent the flood over his generation he did not beg Your mercy for them but I did say to You 'Yet now if You, God will forgive their sin and if not blot me I pray You out of Your book which You have written.'"

GOD: "Was it I that counselled thee to slay the Egyptian?"

MOSES: "You did slay all the first born of Egypt and shall I die on account of one single Egyptian that I slew?"

GOD: "Are you perchance My equal, Moses? I slay and restore to life. But can you revive the dead?"

When Moses saw that God lent no ear to his prayers he sought to invoke God's mercy through the pleadings of others. He sought for someone to appeal to God's mercy. He turned to the earth and said "Earth, I pray thee implore God's mercy for me. Perhaps for thy sake He will take pity on me and let me enter into the land."

Earth replied "I am without form and void. And then too I shall soon wax old like a garment. No, your fate is like mine for you are dust and unto dust you shall return."

Moses then turned to the heavens. And the heavens replied, "Before imploring God's mercy for thee we must first do so for ourselves for the heavens are not clean in His sight. And the heavens shall vanish away like smoke."

Then Moses hastened to the sun and the moon. And they replied, "Before we pray to God for thee we must pray for ourselves."

Then Moses took his request to the stars and the planets. They answered "We must plead first for ourselves. For all the host of heaven shall be dissolved."

Then Moses went to the hills and the mountains. And they answered "The mountains shall depart and the hills be removed."

He then turned to Mt. Sinai. And Mt. Sinai responded "Mt. Sinai was altogether in smoke because the Lord descended upon it in fire."

He went to the rivers and sought their intercession. They answered "The Lord made a way in the sea and a path in the mighty waters. We cannot save ourselves out of His hand."

(cut due too long) (long story short I have proof)

pero niredeem sya ni jesus christ (Transfiguration of Jesus) Matthew 17 -source

 

[homer_simpson]

Wow! That's what you call copy/paste which in itself is not bad as long as you don't accuse others of copy/pasting as if that's the worst thing in the world. Hipocrates much?

I get, I get it. You want to flaunt that your god and its lieutenants are good and merciful. How about exploring its other, dark side? No dark side, you say?

 

[Lets-All-Love-Lain]

Wow! That's what you call copy/paste which in itself is not bad as long as you don't accuse others of copy/pasting as if that's the worst thing in the world. Hipocrates much?

I get, I get it. You want to flaunt that your god and its lieutenants are good and merciful. How about exploring its other, dark side? No dark side, you say?

nag copy paste ka nga kaso di mo naman na-iintidihan ung bible basahin mo ung nasa taas ung usapan ni god at ni moses. tsaka pilit mo ung mga brutalism ng old testament na amend na nga eh nasa taas na ung sagot wag ka paulit ulit ka ung brutalism na ginawa ni moses sinagot ni god. parang kung baga sa marvel o dc parang kinopy paste mo lang ung time na naging masama si superman o kaya ung time na bumait si magneto. o kaya na babaero si rizal.

 

[Lets-All-Love-Lain]

Wag ka palusot ng palusot kapag di mo mai-refute ang argument. Kung saan saan mo inililigoy ang diskusyon. Nasaan ang amendment na pinagsasabi mo? Sino may sabi may amendment? Ano yan kongreso? Hangal!

kung di ka nagbabasa ng maayos ito ginawa sa new testament.

Acts 13:39

Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

Hebrews 7:12

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 9:11

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

mag basa ka. lol, ung mga banat mo nakakatawa nalalaman kung ano at kung saan ng gagaling ung impormasyon mo lol. si boy local news ka ata ang alam lang na meaning ng amend ay sa congresso daw. ahaha.

amend
/əˈmɛnd/
verb
verb: amend; 3rd person present: amends; past tense: amended; past participle: amended; gerund or present participle: amending

1. 1.
   make minor changes to (a text, piece of legislation, etc.) in order to make it fairer or more accurate, or to reflect changing circumstances.
   "the rule was amended to apply only to non-members"
   synonyms: revise, alter, change, modify, qualify, adapt, adjust; More
   
   
2. 2.
   improve the texture or fertility of (soil).
   "amend your soil with peat moss or compost"
3. ARCHAIC
   put right.
   "a few things had gone wrong, but these had been amended"

legislation
leg·is·la·tion
/ˌlejəˈslāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. laws, considered collectively.
   "tax legislation"
   synonyms: law(s), body of laws, rules, rulings, regulations, acts, bills, statutes, enactments, ordinances

patawa ka ahaha mag research ko po minsan ng meaning ng isang word di ung puro ka salita agad ng di alam sinasabi. muka ka po tuloy t@nga sa pinag sasabi mo.

next time na may po-post ka maiisip ko to matatawa lang ako ahahaha.

 

[Lets-All-Love-Lain]

Ikaw ang t(a)nga bata ka. Lahat ng post mo, generic verses. Nothing specifically stated there about your so-called "amendments". Yan ang tunay na copy/pasted. Sino ngayun ang copy/pasting? Don't be a hypocrite.

You stupid fool!

congresso ahahaha, buti pa ako pag nag copy paste kumpleto. ganito lang yan, kung baga dito sa phc ung mga ginagawa mga tricks ako, nag bibigay ng working at try and tested kase nagawa na (try and tested sa battle field debated long before etc). pero ikaw, ung mga tricks mo ung mga paasa na katulad ng mga ibang nag p-post ng tricks na unli net daw pero di pala ahaha. kongreso pa more. amend pa more.