🕯️ Traditions Trinitarians, unitarians and binitarians pasok dito...about 666

[treskia]

Good anu masasabe mo after mo mapanuod yan?

One thing medyo blasphemous para sa akin yung gods na nilecture niya maaari kasing ang dating sa mahihina is this, pag bumaba sa yo ang salita or the holy spirit, eh Godlike ka na, dapat ka na rin sambahin, eh marami yun, gods na rin pati mga anghel or any creature pati yung anyong kalapati na espiritu ng Diyos na bumaba at nanahan ng kay Hesus ng mabautismohan siya sa ilog Jordan, puede na rin sambahin. At isa pa sinabi niya directly na ang God of this world is si Satanas, which sa bible iniimply na ang authority o kapamahalaan sa daigdig ay pagtutunggalian nila ni 'Christ', that would make also Christ the God of this world and the dead in Spirit, that I would rather believe. Hindi niya ba alam na diyan sa aral na yan natisod ang maraming anak ng diyos at ilang propeta dahil naninikluhod (sumamba) sila maging sa anghel?

I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me, but he said to me, " You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Rev. 22:8-9

 

[Jmrie_]

One thing medyo blasphemous para sa akin yung gods na nilecture niya maaari kasing ang dating sa mahihina is this, pag bumaba sa yo ang salita or the holy spirit, eh Godlike ka na, dapat ka na rin sambahin, eh marami yun, gods na rin pati mga anghel or any creature pati yung anyong kalapati na espiritu ng Diyos na bumaba at nanahan ng kay Hesus ng mabautismohan siya sa ilog Jordan, puede na rin sambahin. At isa pa sinabi niya directly na ang God of this world is si Satanas, which sa bible iniimply na ang authority o kapamahalaan sa daigdig ay pagtutunggalian nila ni 'Christ', that would make also Christ the God of this world and the dead in Spirit, that I would rather believe. Hindi niya ba alam na diyan sa aral na yan natisod ang maraming anak ng diyos at ilang propeta dahil naninikluhod (sumamba) sila maging sa anghel?

I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me, but he said to me, " You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Rev. 22:8-9

Okey po good po..

 

[lihue01]

Here's my assumption,

Hindi malayo kung ang nga INC ay maging 'beastly' powerful someday at madaya sila or ang mga future leaders or council nila ni Satanas, bakit naman hindi.

Who knows kung yung Cristo na kilala nila someday is different din pala sa 'Christ' (Spirit) of God na bumaba at nagkatawang tao sa lupa.

How will you calculate the NAME po?

This is a very interesting topic.

 

[treskia]

How will you calculate the NAME po?

This is a very interesting topic.

Wait lang po I'll try to decipher, nakakalito po yan pero wait po tayo baka may iba dito sa forum na may enthusiasm same as yours at may magandang ideya about sa Naming. In generalization kase sa akin, I'll treat the number as a Number nga (in words six hundred sixty and six) but to associate it with every name of a person on earth parang hindi tama para sa akin, but to a broader perspective, isipin natin na since may parallelism o paghahalintulad na tinutukoy sa pahayag,

and also those who had conquered

the beast
and its image
and the number of its name, 666

***

the 1st beast rising out of the sea
the 2nd beast rising out of the earth (the image)
and the three unclean Spirits like frogs coming out (Spirit of trinity)

from the mouth of the dragon
and out of the mouth of the beast
and out of the mouth of the false prophet

***

God
Messiah (his image, also called the 'christ')
Holy Spirit (the helper) proceeded out of God, through the Messiah and through his prophets and apostles/servants. (One Spirit)

***

Since from the prophecy of Daniel, ang beast ay isang earthly kingdom, masasabi nating ito rin ay pagpapahayag ng hula about

God
And His messianic kingdom on earth
And His earthly prophets/saints guided by the Holy Spirit who worked miracles, signs and wonders and as God's true witnesses on the earth.

***

so indeed ito rin ay in parallel sa work of the devil, in mimicking the deception upon the whole world that is

Satan (as god of the world)
His Kingdom (throne) on the earth
His False Prophet (also a beast)...

Tandaan po na ang beast na tinutukoy sa revelation prophecy ay dalawa

the 1st beast rising out of the sea
the 2nd beast rising out of the earth (the image)

Sila ay magkatulad o parang iisa in a sense ang 2nd beast ay a copy(image/continuation) of the first, while still existing(buhay) pa ang una

It exercises the authority of the first beast in it's presence

Ang tubig (sea) sa paglalarawan ay mga lahi, mga bansa, at mga wika.
Ang lupa (earth) ay nilikha(umahon) mula sa ibabaw ng mga tubig.

***

Since ang beasts na tinutukoy ay isang Messianic (Christian) Kingdom on earth, sa classical and medieval history of mankind, walang ibang Christian empire na naitatag at tumagal ng tig sasanlibong taon eclipsing (continuation) of each other kundi ang christian empire of Constantine (Greco-Roman Byzantine Empire; 330-1453 A.D.); at ang Holy Roman(Franco-German) Empire of the Popes and of Germanic rulers (800 A.D.-1806) lamang.

***

Emphasize ko lang po ang sinasamba ng mga taong itinuturing na kabilang/natatakan/citizen at naglilingkod behind these powers ayon sa pahayag...

Sinamba ng lahat ng tao ang dragon sapagkat ibinigay into ang kanyang kapangyarihan sa halimaw.

Sinamba rin nila ang halimaw.

Ginamit ng ikalawang halimaw ang lahat ng kapangyarihan ng unang halimaw upang ipatupad ang kagustuhan nito.

for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.

Ang lahat ng tao sa lupa ay pinilit niyang sumamba sa unang halimaw na nasugatan ng malubha ngunit gumaling na.

And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that rises from the bottomless pit will make war on them and conquer them and kill them (religious wars)

***

Na notice naman po siguro natin ang paghahalintulad

Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"

Sinamba ng lahat ng tao ang dragon sapagkat ibinigay nito ang kanyang kapangyarihan sa halimaw.

Sinamba rin nila ang halimaw. "Sino ang makakatulad sa halimaw? Sino ang makakalaban sa kanya?" sabi nila.

Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, (throne in Heaven)

"I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is. Yet you hold fast my name, and you did not deny my faith even in the days of Antipas my faithful witness, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. (Pergamum, present-day Turkey (of Constantinople))

...Constantinople is patterned after Rome, it sits on seven hills just like Rome, the city of seven hills' image.

***

Maaaring malaman ng sinumang matalino ang kahulugan ng bilang ng halimaw, sapagkat ito'y bilang ng isang tao. Ang bilang ay 666.

***

With regards sa calculation, if you're interested then we'll discuss your own perspective, if you have some thoughts about 666 as well let me know... Thanks sa response.

 

[lihue01]

Wait lang po I'll try to decipher, nakakalito po yan pero wait po tayo baka may iba dito sa forum na may enthusiasm same as yours at may magandang ideya about sa Naming. In generalization kase sa akin, I'll treat the number as a Number nga (in words six hundred sixty and six) but to associate it with every name of a person on earth parang hindi tama para sa akin, but to a broader perspective, isipin natin na since may parallelism o paghahalintulad na tinutukoy sa pahayag,

and also those who had conquered

the beast
and its image
and the number of its name, 666

***

the 1st beast rising out of the sea
the 2nd beast rising out of the earth (the image)
and the three unclean Spirits like frogs coming out (Spirit of trinity)

from the mouth of the dragon
and out of the mouth of the beast
and out of the mouth of the false prophet

***

God
Messiah (his image, also called the 'christ')
Holy Spirit (the helper) proceeded out of God, through the Messiah and through his prophets and apostles/servants. (One Spirit)

***

Since from the prophecy of Daniel, ang beast ay isang earthly kingdom, masasabi nating ito rin ay pagpapahayag ng hula about

God
And His messianic kingdom on earth
And His earthly prophets/saints guided by the Holy Spirit who worked miracles, signs and wonders and as God's true witnesses on the earth.

***

so indeed ito rin ay in parallel sa work of the devil, in mimicking the deception upon the whole world that is

Satan (as god of the world)
His Kingdom (throne) on the earth
His False Prophet (also a beast)...

Tandaan po na ang beast na tinutukoy sa revelation prophecy ay dalawa

the 1st beast rising out of the sea
the 2nd beast rising out of the earth (the image)

Sila ay magkatulad o parang iisa in a sense ang 2nd beast ay a copy(image/continuation) of the first, while still existing(buhay) pa ang una

It exercises the authority of the first beast in it's presence

Ang tubig (sea) sa paglalarawan ay mga lahi, mga bansa, at mga wika.
Ang lupa (earth) ay nilikha(umahon) mula sa ibabaw ng mga tubig.

***

Since ang beasts na tinutukoy ay isang Messianic (Christian) Kingdom on earth, sa classical and medieval history of mankind, walang ibang Christian empire na naitatag at tumagal ng tig sasanlibong taon eclipsing (continuation) of each other kundi ang christian empire of Constantine (Greco-Roman Byzantine Empire; 330-1453 A.D.); at ang Holy Roman(Franco-German) Empire of the Popes and of Germanic rulers (800 A.D.-1806) lamang.

***

Emphasize ko lang po ang sinasamba ng mga taong itinuturing na kabilang/natatakan/citizen at naglilingkod behind these powers ayon sa pahayag...

Sinamba ng lahat ng tao ang dragon sapagkat ibinigay into ang kanyang kapangyarihan sa halimaw.

Sinamba rin nila ang halimaw.

Ginamit ng ikalawang halimaw ang lahat ng kapangyarihan ng unang halimaw upang ipatupad ang kagustuhan nito.

for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.

Ang lahat ng tao sa lupa ay pinilit niyang sumamba sa unang halimaw na nasugatan ng malubha ngunit gumaling na.

And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that rises from the bottomless pit will make war on them and conquer them and kill them (religious wars)

***

Na notice naman po siguro natin ang paghahalintulad

Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"

Sinamba ng lahat ng tao ang dragon sapagkat ibinigay nito ang kanyang kapangyarihan sa halimaw.

Sinamba rin nila ang halimaw. "Sino ang makakatulad sa halimaw? Sino ang makakalaban sa kanya?" sabi nila.

Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, (throne in Heaven)

"I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is. Yet you hold fast my name, and you did not deny my faith even in the days of Antipas my faithful witness, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. (Pergamum, present-day Turkey (of Constantinople))

...Constantinople is patterned after Rome, it sits on seven hills just like Rome, the city of seven hills' image.

***

Maaaring malaman ng sinumang matalino ang kahulugan ng bilang ng halimaw, sapagkat ito'y bilang ng isang tao. Ang bilang ay 666.

***

With regards sa calculation, if you're interested then we'll discuss your own perspective, if you have some thoughts about 666 as well let me know... Thanks sa response.

Thank you for your respond.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Sa pagkakaintindi ko po kasi dito eh. May ibang cristo(false christ). Which may halintulad sa naging prophecy ng tunay na Cristo. That will cause religious war na alam naman naten nangyayare ngayon.

Kulang pa talaga ang kaalaman ko about this. Kaya interisado ako sa mga ganito usapin. One God believer po kasi ako. Ang tanging pinanghahawakan ko is the Faith na meron ako sa atin Diyos.

 

[treskia]

Thank you for your respond.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Sa pagkakaintindi ko po kasi dito eh. May ibang cristo(false christ). Which may halintulad sa naging prophecy ng tunay na Cristo. That will cause religious war na alam naman naten nangyayare ngayon.

Kulang pa talaga ang kaalaman ko about this. Kaya interisado ako sa mga ganito usapin. One God believer po kasi ako. Ang tanging pinanghahawakan ko is the Faith na meron ako sa atin Diyos.

Tama at dahil nga hindi na natin madistinguish kung sino o ano ba talaga ang kalagayan ng tunay na cristo dahil sa madami nang dogma about christology, dyan na pumapasok palagay ko ang spirit of deception (trinity) though we are somehow aware of it iniignore na lang natin and just stick to what we believed as the common perception about sa 'christ' na ito, were like being stigmatized pag ini-scrutinized sa atin ang nature o divinity of 'christ', his designation as well as his works or sayings, though dahil karamihan karaniwan na sa tin ang tawagin siya sa pangalan at imahe na natatak na sa ating isipan being him as the one who sacrificed himself on the cross. But lacking complete understanding of his very nature, will make us fall short for believing in some other but somehow appear similar 'deity', and so we unknowingly became antichrist in this sense. At dahil nga nakagawian na natin tawagin siya as Christ ('Si' Cristo instead of 'Ang' Cristo-ang itinalaga/hinirang/pinahiran) at hindi Messiah, Yashua, Hesus, Isa, Yesu, Iesu, Immanuel, that will make us all christians partakers of this person Christ in spirit. Let us remember 'the christ' in Greek is a designation not a person nor even a name, Jesus of Nazareth is the person and Jesus(Yashua, Hesus, Isa, Iesu) is his name variations and not Christ, more of a title. It would have been better if the world would have known him as Jesus or Immanuel (which means God with us) as that is the name given him by the Most High, and the Greek word Christ omitted so we'll be better of in acknowledging the messiah on his very nature and personhood and purpose, and not by its Greek term. It is clear to me from this perspective that the number of his NAME (666) applies to this instance, as the person Christ (of the Trinity), for it is a name of a man(person). So instead of finding a man named 'Cristo' or finding the true Christ in the scriptures, why not look for Jesus of Nazareth or Immanuel or Amen or maybe his new name in heaven para hindi tayo maligaw for believing in a triune god, when in fact there is only one God, not in three person.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it.
Rev. 2:17

The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name. Rev. 3:12

Name of His God
Name of the city of His God
His New Name out of heaven

****
666

Name of this God
Name of the city of this God
New name of god in this world.

***

In your mind, if you may, Name the city of this God please.

 

[Mjlove]

Ay mga delusional
Hahaha

 

[treskia]

Ay mga delusional
Hahaha

Thanks sa reply, keep commenting po and baka may gamot ka sa mga taong tulad namin ito pa may isang thread pa comment ka na rin.

https://phcorner.org/threads/119079/

 

[Mjlove]

Thanks sa reply, keep commenting po and baka may gamot ka sa mga taong tulad namin ito pa may isang thread pa comment ka na rin.

https://phcorner.org/threads/119079/

Aw mag ko comment lang ako pag mensan gusto ko hmm walang gamot sa ganyan yan paba naman ang pinaka dilikadong virus

At tsaka matagal nakong nag de debate sa mga ganyan at ang mga sinasabi ko with evidence pa

Kesyo andami pading mahilig sa kinalakihang paniniwala pero nakakatuwa din naman pag may nakikita kang mga taong ganyan

At least para kanaring nasa bronze age

 

[treskia]

Aw mag ko comment lang ako pag mensan gusto ko hmm walang gamot sa ganyan yan paba naman ang pinaka dilikadong virus

At tsaka matagal nakong nag de debate sa mga ganyan at ang mga sinasabi ko with evidence pa

Kesyo andami pading mahilig sa kinalakihang paniniwala pero nakakatuwa din naman pag may nakikita kang mga taong ganyan

At least para kanaring nasa bronze age

Totoo ba kamo, isa kang freemason?

Ang bronze age bang sinasabi mo dito ay ang scriptural Greco-Macedonian age?

Gold-Babylon
Silver-Persian
Bronze-Grecian
Iron-Roman

or your denoting the more elongated timeline of scientific bronze age?

and I'm anticipating your soon to be created thread about freemasonic atheism belief that you once mentioned in other threads, kailan mo ba ipopost yun?

 

[Spectrespook]

666? Nah maybe it has some significance but I'd rather study the Fibonacci number sequence and apply it..hehe

 

[Mjlove]

Totoo ba kamo, isa kang freemason?

Ang bronze age bang sinasabi mo dito ay ang scriptural Greco-Macedonian age?

Gold-Babylon
Silver-Persian
Bronze-Grecian
Iron-Roman

or your denoting the more elongated timeline of scientific bronze age?

and I'm anticipating your soon to be created thread about freemasonic atheism belief that you once mentioned in other threads, kailan mo ba ipopost yun?

May sinabi ba akong ganyan ? Wala akong natatandaan tsaka hindi ako Freemasonry isa lang akong freethinker atheist

Open ako sa lahat basta kungkrito at tama ang basehan

 

[lihue01]

Pwede malaman yung source mo sir?

 

[treskia]

Pwede malaman yung source mo sir?

Well sir, the saying 'all roads lead to Rome' applies here. Kahit sa mga matatandang aklat na naisulat karamihan lalo na ng mga early 'Church' fathers isa na nga ni Bishop Hippolytus ng Roma, tukoy na nila na ang Roma ang katuparan sa mga hula sa aklat ng Daniel at maging sa aklat ng Pahayag. Bagamat sa ganang kanila na parang na-ilihim nila sa paraan ng pluma at kanilang literatura ang mga katotohanang ito sapagkat una kakaunti lamang sa bilang ang mga nakakaunawa (literate), pangalawa alam nila na namumuhay sila sa presensya ng 'beast' na ito, at pangatlo malamang dahil nalalaman nila na hindi pa napapanahon sapagkat ang mga events ng una ay 'unfolding' pa nga lang.

With regards to 'other' source sir, I'd like to clarify na wala naman akong 'denominationally inspired' na mga specific sources dahil wala naman akong kinaaanibang organisasyon. Open-source po ako as long as the link/site/thread deemed to be trust worthy and not forerunner of anything fake, but emphasis po dahil mahilig ako sa history, i always look for any scripture with 'historical' facts in it.

With regards sa mga other links and some videos, at dahil minsan nakakalimot din tayo, I tried to compile some of these to my yet unpublicised but not so private blogsite and fb page of mine, you might want to check if you spare it some time. Don't worry I'm not starting a new religion nor invite you all become a follower, just trying to be open...

permission please...

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About other source on 666 search na lang po sa internet maraming resources and content po about dyan and to deduce things go back here so we have something to sort naman po, try to search na rin po sa illustration na ito and see if it's worth the info, thanks...

 

[lihue01]

It is clear here sir na tinutukoy mo is roman catholic tama?

How about some other christian with trinity doctrine?
Pag kakaintindi ko kasi sa Revelation 16:13. The 3 uncleaned spirit could be the doctrine na tinuturo ng mga trinitarians. So isa rin sila sa maaari false christ?

 

[treskia]

It is clear here sir na tinutukoy mo is roman catholic tama?

How about some other christian with trinity doctrine?
Pag kakaintindi ko kasi sa Revelation 16:13. The 3 uncleaned spirit could be the doctrine na tinuturo ng mga trinitarians. So isa rin sila sa maaari false christ?

Totoo po, kung paanong ayon sa hula (sa pahayag) na ang tanyag na Babilonya ay naging Ina ng kahalayan (corruption) naging tanyag din naman ang Roma sa lahat ng aspeto ng ating sibilisasyon ayon sa kasaysayan hanggang sa ngayon. Nakarating sa atin ang pananampalatayang Kristiyanismo (Trinitarianism) dahil sa impluwensya ng Romanismo, hindi nga ba at binanggit sa hula, who is like the beast and who can fight against it? Ito ay reference for the power of Rome (empires of Rome) na bumagsak, muling umahon at nananatili, at sa relihiyong nag ugat na sa ating kamalayan, kaalinsunod ng colonization by the powerful Spanish Catholic Monarchs of late medieval period, at ng iba't ibang order ng mga prayle dumating sa bansa at sa ibang panig ng daigdig at sibilisasyon, ganun natupad ang hula ng bumagsak ang dakilang Constantinople ay siya namang nag spread out at rebirth of Rome (Renaissance) kaakibat ng muling 'pagkabuhay' ay naisakatuparan ang isang hula sa pahayag

Revelation of John 16:12-15
The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. (Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about ***** and be seen exposed!)

Ang great river Euphrates ay ilog sa Babilonya, kung paanong inilihis at tinuyo ni Cyrus ang ilog sa Babylon para magkaroon ng landas sa tarangkahan nito at maalis ang natural barrier ganun nasakop ang dakilang lunsod at ang kabuuang imperyo nito sa classical period ganun din naman ang nangyari sa pagbagsak ng Constantinople, dumating ang mga hari sa silangan (mga Khans at Sultans) na may ibang kultura at relihiyon,

At ang response ng Roma ayon dito ay ang colonization and propagation of their brand of religion and Romanesque culture naman which until now reign supreme sa third world countries almost


And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty.

Sa age of colonization di mabilang na nga ang iba't ibang order ng mga prayle (Spanish era) at denomination pastors (American era) evangelization ang nangalat sa buong daigdig? (Hindi ko po minamasama ang mga gawaing iniatang sa kanila, tandaan po ayon sa winika, sa ibabaw ng mga butil ng batong ito tinitipon/nagmumula ang mga hinirang para sa makalangit na Iglesya)

Ngunit ang babala ay ito...
Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about ***** and be seen exposed!)

Kaya bago mag pa convert or not, dapat may kamalayan na tayo, ang iba mas piniling maging n-aked(atheist) na lang.

 

[Frustrated Burger]

666 na masasamang espiritu o mga gawa yan na nasa isang tao
Na ang tao na ito ay maimpluwensya sa mga lider sa buong mundo halos lahat ng lider lumuluhod sa kanya

Sign sa kamay ay yong sign of the cross at pag guhit ng cross sa noo tuwing okasyon nila

 

[treskia]

666 na masasamang espiritu o mga gawa yan na nasa isang tao
Na ang tao na ito ay maimpluwensya sa mga lider sa buong mundo halos lahat ng lider lumuluhod sa kanya

Sign sa kamay ay yong sign of the cross at pag guhit ng cross sa noo tuwing okasyon nila

Can you enlighten us more sir about 666 sa pagkaalam ninyo?

Sa akin kasi, it is the number of a man nga at ng beast, ang Man na tinutukoy dito ayon sa konsepto ay ang (Greco-Roman) Christus, as a whole yung mga tinatawag ang kanilang sarili as Christians, tandaan ang kahulugan ng christians ay mga annointed or in hebrew messiahs. Si Hesus lamang po ang messiah katunayan sa pahayag followers of Jesus lang ang tawag sa mga hinirang na nasa lupa pa, ang kadalasan ay mga mananampalataya, at hindi sila tinawag na christians kundi mga iglesya meaning kalipunan (ng mga mananampalataya)