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🕯️ Traditions Black nazarene and sto. nino? there is no such in the bible!
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15 Outside are You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.the dogs You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteousYou do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
19 Now You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.divisions, 21 envy,You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.those who doYou do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
5 For you may be sure of this, that You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
9 understanding this, that the You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers,
14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.
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19 Now You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.divisions, 21 envy,You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.those who doYou do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
5 For you may be sure of this, that You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
9 understanding this, that the You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers,
14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.
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Log in or register now., Catholics will often claim that they “venerate,” not worship, them. To venerate is to regard with great respect or to revere. Veneration can be defined as “respect or awe directed toward someone due to his/her value or greatness.”
The simplest definition of worship is to “ascribe worth.” Worship can be more completely defined as “showing respect, love, reverence, or adoration.” Based on the dictionary, no clear difference between veneration and worship exists. In fact, veneration and worship are often used as synonyms for each other.
But dictionary definitions are not the point. It does not matter what it is called. The Bible nowhere instructs followers of Jesus Christ to offer worship, veneration, adoration, or anything similar to anyone but God. Nowhere does the New Testament describe any followers of Jesus Christ worshipping, venerating, or adoring anyone other than God. They did not receive worship, either. Peter refused to receive adoration from Cornelius (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.), and Paul and Barnabas were equally adamant that the people of Lystra not venerate them (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.). Twice in the Book of Revelation (19:10; 20:7), the apostle John begins to worship an angel, and the angel instructs him, “Worship God!” Mary and the saints who have gone to heaven before us would say the same thing: “Worship God!”
The Catholic Church has different degrees of worship: dulia, hyper dulia, and latria. Dulia is the honor given to the saints. Hyper dulia is the honor given to Mary alone, as the greatest of the saints. Latria is the honor given to God alone. In contrast, the Bible always ascribes honor, in the context of worship, to God alone (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.; You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.; You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.; You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.; You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.). Even if there were biblical support for different levels of worship, there still would be no biblical support for offering lower/lesser levels of worship to anyone other than God.
Only God is worthy of worship, adoration, praise (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.; You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.; You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.), and veneration, no matter how it is defined. Mary’s worth comes from the fact that God choose her for a glorious role and saved her from her sins through the death of Jesus Christ (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.). The saints’ worth comes from the fact that God saved them, transformed them, and then used them in mighty and amazing ways. May we all, with Mary and the saints, fall on our knees and worship the only One who is worthy.
The simplest definition of worship is to “ascribe worth.” Worship can be more completely defined as “showing respect, love, reverence, or adoration.” Based on the dictionary, no clear difference between veneration and worship exists. In fact, veneration and worship are often used as synonyms for each other.
But dictionary definitions are not the point. It does not matter what it is called. The Bible nowhere instructs followers of Jesus Christ to offer worship, veneration, adoration, or anything similar to anyone but God. Nowhere does the New Testament describe any followers of Jesus Christ worshipping, venerating, or adoring anyone other than God. They did not receive worship, either. Peter refused to receive adoration from Cornelius (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.), and Paul and Barnabas were equally adamant that the people of Lystra not venerate them (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.). Twice in the Book of Revelation (19:10; 20:7), the apostle John begins to worship an angel, and the angel instructs him, “Worship God!” Mary and the saints who have gone to heaven before us would say the same thing: “Worship God!”
The Catholic Church has different degrees of worship: dulia, hyper dulia, and latria. Dulia is the honor given to the saints. Hyper dulia is the honor given to Mary alone, as the greatest of the saints. Latria is the honor given to God alone. In contrast, the Bible always ascribes honor, in the context of worship, to God alone (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.; You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.; You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.; You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.; You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.). Even if there were biblical support for different levels of worship, there still would be no biblical support for offering lower/lesser levels of worship to anyone other than God.
Only God is worthy of worship, adoration, praise (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.; You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.; You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.), and veneration, no matter how it is defined. Mary’s worth comes from the fact that God choose her for a glorious role and saved her from her sins through the death of Jesus Christ (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.). The saints’ worth comes from the fact that God saved them, transformed them, and then used them in mighty and amazing ways. May we all, with Mary and the saints, fall on our knees and worship the only One who is worthy.
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espiritu sila kaya nila lumagay sa kahit saan dyan sa outerspace yan mga demonyo noong di pa sila welcome sa sanglibutan
kita mo naman sa verse na si adam talaga ay sumuway sa Dios na walang udyok ni satanas sa kanya ,at wala naman sinabi sa verse na tinukso si adam ng babae
ginawa talaga ni adam na sumuway sa Dios sa kanyang sariling kagustuhan
hindi lahat ng bagay gustong pakealaman ng Dios tulad ng freewill
halimbawa ng nasa sitas na ito
Jeremias 7:31 At kanilang itinayo ang mga mataas na dako ng Topheth, na nasa libis ng anak ni Hinnom, upang sunugin ang kanilang mga anak na lalake at babae sa apoy; na hindi ko iniuutos, o pumasok man sa aking pagiisip.
kita mo sa sitas? hindi man pumasok sa isip kung gagawin nila yon
biro mo anak nila susunugin nila iaalay sa diosdiosan mga taong israelita,sinunog yong anak para ialay sa diosdiosan hindi ko naman inutos yon sabi ng Dios ni pumasok man sa aking pagiisip.
ito pang isang sitas pakibasa
Jeremias 19: 5 At itinayo ang mga mataas na dako ni Baal, upang sunugin ang kanilang mga anak sa apoy na mga pinakahandog na susunugin kay Baal; na hindi ko iniutos, o sinalita man, o pumasok man sa aking pagiisip:
hindi man iniisip ng Dios na gagawin nila yong ganung kasamaan biro mo anak mo mismo susunugin mo ihahandog mo sa diosdiosan kagaya ni baal?
alam mo kasi brad ganito sa premise na ito: ang Dios po binigyan tayo ng kalayaang mamili,pwede mong piliin yong gusto mo sa mundong ito.ngayon kung ano yong pipiliin mo di ka pinapakealaman ng Dios dun eh hanggang hindi ka pa naman nakakapili hindi ka naman niya pinipilit eh diba ?
pakibasa ito
Deuteronomio 30:19 Aking tinatawag ang langit at ang lupa na pinakasaksi laban sa inyo sa araw na ito, na aking ilagay sa harap mo ang buhay at ang kamatayan, ang pagpapala at ang sumpa; kaya't piliin mo ang buhay, upang ikaw ay mabuhay, ikaw at ang iyong binhi;
sabi ng Dios.tinatawag ko ang langit at ang lupa na maging saksi sa araw na ito laban sa inyo.inilagay ko sa harap mo ang buhay inilagay ko rin sa harap mo ang kamatayan ang pagpapala nasa harap mo rin at ang sumpa nasa harap mo rin
piliin mo kung ano ang gusto mo.pero ang sabi niya piliin mo ang buhay para mabuhay ka
- so mayroon tayong karapatang mamili sa tiempo na mamimili tayo di tayo pinapakealaman ng Dios eh, hindi ka niya pinipilit kaya mayroon napipili eh masama mayroong napipipli mas gusto pa yong kasinungalingan kaysa sa totoo,mayroon ganung tao
pakibasa ito
2 Tesalonica 1:8 Na maghihiganti sa hindi nagsisikilala sa Dios, at sa kanila na hindi nagsisitalima sa evangelio ng ating Panginoong Jesus:
bakit nila paghihigantihan yan?
pakibasa sa 2:11-12
2 Tesalonica 2:11 At dahil dito'y ipinadadala sa kanila ng Dios ang paggawa ng kamalian, upang magsipaniwala sila sa kasinungalingan:
12 Upang mangahatulan silang lahat na hindi nagsisampalataya sa katotohanan, kundi nangalugod sa kalikuan.
kita mo sa sitas ?mas pinili pa nila yong kalikuan eh-so mayroon mga tao na ang gusto yong hindi tama yong kasinungalingan hindi sila pinipilit ng Dios kasi mayroon tayong freechoice o freewill ang tawag ng iba roon
kung ano yong magugustuhan mo sa gusto mong piliin bahala kang sumunod sa gusto mong sundin. ganun ang Dios hindi sya parang diktador na pipilitin ka niya na sumunod sa kanya kundi hindi tayo ginawa ng Dios na parang robot
- we have our own free choices in life mayroon tayo na kanya kanyang pagpili
-doon sa mga puntong hindi kapa namimili hindi nakikialam ang Dios dun
-hindi nga alam ng Dios kung susunod ka o kung hindi eh
sabi naman ng iba "ah alam na ika ng Dios ang lahat ng bagay"
hindi nga alam ng Dios kung susunod o hindi eh katunayan sabi nya hindi ko inutos yan hindi ko sinalita ni hindi pumasok sa aking pagiisip sabi niya
sa lahat ng premise na ito brad ang sagot ko sayo ang Dios mayroon syang hindi pinakikialaman sa tao kasi binigyan nya tayo ng freewill. kasi pag pinakealaman nya tayo?lalabas para syang diktador
alam mo brad parang di maganda ang buhay pagka wala tayong choice
halimbawa
gusto kong ulam kare kare
gusto mo naman eh laing
gusto ng iba naman adobo
eh panoong kung sabihin ko sa inyo
lahat tayo dapat.ang ulam kare.kare wala kayong karapatan pumili ng iba
ang tao brad may pinakamagandang regalo sa Dios yong makapamili maganda ang buhay kapag ganun kapag pinili din natin kung ano ang.mabuti sa Dios hindi kasi namimilit ang Dios gusto.nya kasi yong kusa ang pagsunod
pakibasa ito
Jeremias 1:19Kung kayo'y magkusa at mangagmasunurin, kayo'y magsisikain ng buti ng lupain:
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amen for this thread ! . . . . . .
QUOTE="eliza20, post: 7274588, member: 1009602"]mapuputi lahat kasi ang mga saint sa pag kakaalam ko nung unang panahon ayon sa kwento ng matatanda parang ayaw nila maniwala sa relihiyong yan isa pa dahil mapuputi nga sila ang mga tunay n pilipino kasi ay maitim talaga ayaw nilang makihalubilo sa hindi ka kulay o ka uri kaya gumawa ng paraan ang panginoong hesus para bumagay at mahalin siya ng sambayanang pilipino e bago siya mapunta dito sa pilipinas e nasunog ang barko lulan ang imahen ng nazareno maputi pa ang kulay ng imahen bago siya dalhin ditp ang pag kaka alam ko galing siyang espanya.. so nag karoon ng himala kaya nakarting pa din ang imahen ng nazareno sa pilipinas nakakapag taka nasunog siya pero hindi nasira pero umitim lang ang kanyang kulay kaya nga tiwag siya na itim na nazareno simbulo na kahit anung lahi o anung kulay ng tao e mahal niya at ibabagay niya ang lanyang kulay para hindi mailang o mg taka ang iba na hindi siya iba sa atin wala ng naiilang sa santo mula noon kasi hindi n siya nalalayo sa kulay ng mga pinoy.. basta yan lang pag kakaalam ko saka kahit hindi ka mag babasa ng bible basta gumawa ka ng mabuti nalang sa kapwa niyo wag kayong impokrito ang iba jan palasimba pero chismosa o anu pa man sa madaling salita ang bible gabay lang natin sa kung anung tama na dapat gawin natin kaya simulan mo ng mag bago papsi gudluck
peace[/QUOTE]to begin with hindi natin alam ano itsura niya
MAGBASE TAYO SA BIBLIYA HINDI SABI SABI KAYA NGA KUNG ANO ANONG PINANINIWALAAN NG TAO KASI KUNG ANO ANONG PERSONAL NA OPINYON, TURO LANG NG MGA PARI O NG SIMBAHAN IMBIS NA SA SALITA NG DIYOS. MADALING GUMAWA NG ARAL NG TAO PERO ANG SALITA NG DIYOS HINDI KA ILILIGAW. MALALAMAN MO ANG TAMA AT MALI.
Wag tayong magpasok ng kung ano anong mga doktrinang hindi naman tinuro ng Diyos bagkus labag pa nga kung wala ka rin lang maipakita mula mismo sa Salita ng Diyos wag mo ng sabihin pa yung turo ng simbahan o pari mo kasi hindi ako interesado o hindi interesado yung mga taong nag-aaral at nag iisip.
Anyway hindi ito chismis ang mga kastila o prayle ang nagdala ng Kristianismo sa bansa kundi mga diyus diyosan na mali ang mga turo. Anong ginawa nila inalipin tayo, inabuso, pinatay ang maraming pinoy, ninakawan. Walang karapatan ni walang kalayaan mag-aral sa Salita ng Diyos. Yan ba ang Kristianismo na tinuturo ng Bibliya?
Kahit si Rizal na Katoliko may laban sa kanilang mga turo.
Kahit si Rizal na Katoliko may laban sa kanilang mga turo.
boss bawal yan iwasan mo mag all capsnakikita naman namin why all caps pa
wag ka rin gagamit ng bad words kaw rin
saka pinaalala ko lang ang history
na yung itim na nazareno ay dahil dun sa history na yun ngayon alam mo na? hindi ko sinabing na si hesu kristo yun
kaya nga sinasabi ko iniiba mo naman pinapahaba mo pa usapan same page lang tayoyun ang history ng black nazarene
pero wala akong sinabing si hesu kristo yun
Kasi naman papasok na lang ng site para maghanap ng member eh dito pa talaga.. nagbigay ng talino ang diyos. Pwede paki gamit! Black nazarene lang african na? Hindi ba pwedeng nakuha yung statue na made of black wood?... kung magcocomment lang kayo ng against sa religion ng iba eh wag na kayong magmalinis.. lahat naman yan may bahid na kasalanan... "kung sino sa inyo ang walang bahid ang relihiyon nyo eh siyang unang pumukol!!! Oh ano sapat na ba???
boss sinasabi ko sayo dahil sa pag mumura na yan may instantly na ban kaya po paki edit yung badwords mo and read this
https://phcorner.org/rules/
Sabi nga ng nakilala ko na gumagawa ng mga rebulto "natatawa ko sa mga tao dahil ako lang gumawa ng mga rebulto pero sinasamba nila t pinapaniwalaan hahaha pero ang bibliya na dati pa nasulat di nila binabasa at pinaniniwalaan na wag magsamba sa diyos diyosan"
Ps. Gumagawa parin sya ng rebulto kasi yun daw pinagkakakitaan nya.
Siguro mas maigi para matapos ang usapan sagutin nalang ng diretso ang tanong na ito...
Puro dada at personal na opinion ang nababasa ko sa ilang post dito.
Saan sinabi ng Diyos na gumawa tayo ng imahe tsaka natin yuyukuran, dadalanginan o paglilingkuran at ipagpipista pa tsaka?
Saan sinabi ni Kristo ako ay itim?
San Niya rin sinabi na ako ay ang mga imahe ni itim na nazareno o ng sto nino?
Saan niya ito sinabi?
Puro dada at personal na opinion ang nababasa ko sa ilang post dito.
Saan sinabi ng Diyos na gumawa tayo ng imahe tsaka natin yuyukuran, dadalanginan o paglilingkuran at ipagpipista pa tsaka?
Saan sinabi ni Kristo ako ay itim?
San Niya rin sinabi na ako ay ang mga imahe ni itim na nazareno o ng sto nino?
Saan niya ito sinabi?
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