🕯️ Traditions If Atheists are created by God himself, then shouldn't Christians allow them to exist and appreciate the magnificent work of the almighty one?

[AdmiralKape]

"Creation" is a fictional act. There is no such thing in this universe that is created, if we go by the actual definition "bringing something into existence"
Everything around us is built. Whether it is through artificial or natural process, everything is made of stuff that already existed.
If there are things that we truly "created", or close to it, these are abstract ideas, but we can still argue whether they are true "creation" because they do not truly exist.

siguro , what i means is yes everything was created depende lang sa free will kung magiging ganun sila , depends also sa environment,.
from the word "creation" one cant say 100 % that there is none who created all things, kaya nga siguro nag karoon ng mga atheist truly they do not believe that someone created the universe kaya nga sa science sila naka base firstly nong maliliit pa tayo its either we are thought or due to our curiosity nag doubt tayo meron ba talaga isa na nag create? kasi kung titingnan sa science lahat may explanation, but not all can say due to the structure of the universe parang it is designed buy someone kaya it is also safe to say commonsense ito, na may nag create talaga pero if we are full of doubts and sciences mag kakaroon ng atheist, science naman sa kabilang banda di din namn mapatunayan ng ayos kaya nga may mga theories tungkol sa ganyan , out sa back of our mind whether we believe sa creation or we are atheist meron parin sa atin na di convce na nag sasabi "oonga no bat ganun?"

 

[plhbg1]

kaya it is also safe to say commonsense ito, na may nag create talaga

hehe naremember ko tuloy yung isang thread na nagtatanong bakit ang matatalino ay nawawalan na ng common sense

 

[AdmiralKape]

hehe naremember ko tuloy yung isang thread na nagtatanong bakit ang matatalino ay nawawalan na ng common sense

yung iba nababaliw na ,.hehe

 

[plhbg1]

yung iba nababaliw na ,.hehe

hehe hanggang common sense lang din kasi ang magic2 boss, if scientific reasoning kasi gagamitin mawawala yung magic2 things kaya tama ka common sense ang umiiral pagdating sa magical things

 

[AdmiralKape]

hehe hanggang common sense lang din kasi ang magic2 boss, if scientific reasoning kasi gagamitin mawawala yung magic2 things kaya tama ka common sense ang umiiral pagdating sa magical things

ibang common sense ata yan lods, more of natural discernment of things ang tinutukoy ko, ganto senaryo madalas sinasabi ng mga matatanda sentido common "di mo ba ginagamit ang sentido common mo? "madalas sabihin pag alam mo na ang mang yayare ginawa mo pa din, alam mo na may tao nandyan kapag magulo ang bahay at may tsinelas sa labas ,.

 

[plhbg1]

ibang common sense ata yan lods, more of natural discernment of things ang tinutukoy ko, ganto senaryo madalas sinasabi ng mga matatanda sentido common "di mo ba ginagamit ang sentido common mo? "madalas sabihin pag alam mo na ang mang yayare ginawa mo pa din, alam mo na may tao nandyan kapag magulo ang bahay at may tsinelas sa labas ,.

hehe ini-interpret mo kasi na common sense is just all about magic, ang sabi ko saklaw ng common sense ang magic like thinking about someone who can create something out of nothing, no worries boss kasi napaka lawak naman talaga ng nasasakupan ng common sense since day-to-day experience ang source diyan, ang gusto ko lang linawin is never naging sakop ng scientific reasoning or any higher order thinking ang magic, it was always covered by common sense from the start especially that andiyan na ang common sense bago pa man na-imbento ang scientific style of solving problems

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

from the word "creation" one cant say 100 % that there is none who created all things

Important distinction. I did not say this. What I said is there is no such thing as creation. Think of one example of something "created" in real life, chances are you are thinking about something that is "built" - from materials that already exist in a different form. The idea of creation is as mythological as the idea of the creator.
If none of us were indoctrinated from childhood,wthe concept of creation may even be inconcievable. Yet we throw that word around as if it was ever proven to be real.

 

[AdmiralKape]

Important distinction. I did not say this. What I said is there is no such thing as creation. Think of one example of something "created" in real life, chances are you are thinking about something that is "built" - from materials that already exist in a different form. The idea of creation is as mythological as the idea of the creator.
If none of us were indoctrinated from childhood,wthe concept of creation may even be inconcievable. Yet we throw that word around as if it was ever proven to be real.

Yet you cannot say that it does not actually exist.,

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Yet you cannot say that it does not actually exist.,

Give an example of one thing or entity na "created" and not built from already existing material. I would bet na wala kang maiisip kahit isa, unless it is just an abstract concept.

 

[denviruz]

So ano po ba ang pinaniniwalaan ng mga atheist?

 

[dee-u]

Give an example of one thing or entity na "created" and not built from already existing material. I would bet na wala kang maiisip kahit isa, unless it is just an abstract concept.

Paps, sino gumawa o saan nanggaling yung pinakaunang (first) "existing material" na tinutukoy mo?

 

[plhbg1]

So ano po ba ang pinaniniwalaan ng mga atheist?

atheism is the absence of beliefs boss, silang mga taong walang beliefs

 

[AdmiralKape]

Give an example of one thing or entity na "created" and not built from already existing material. I would bet na wala kang maiisip kahit isa, unless it is just an abstract concept.

we can say human beings, the way the human body works it points to a designer

Paps, sino gumawa o saan nanggaling yung pinakaunang (first) "existing material" na tinutukoy mo?

hahah i can say sa materials na yan san galing ? is it just popped out of nowhere, and if you you say that that thing came from certain bacteria or forming of something where did that cmae from,?

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

we can say human beings, the way the human body works it points to a designer

Maybe so, but this "designer" does not have to be a God, nor does it have to have any human-like quality... perhaps like millions of years of selective process. And still, there is no such thing "created" ang point, why are we diverting to a designer? Designed or not, everything in the universe is built from something that already exists, not "creations" in the true sense of the word.

 

[AdmiralKape]

Maybe so, but this "designer" does not have to be a God, nor does it have to have any human-like quality... perhaps like millions of years of selective process. And still, there is no such thing "created" ang point, why are we diverting to a designer? Designed or not, everything in the universe is built from something that already exists, not "creations" in the true sense of the word.

even science can't answer everything, we are diverting to a designer because the world are perfectly designed the universe are perfectly designed, that is why it points to a designer logically,. we are not 100 percent sure due to lack of evidences but regardless thinking logically it points to that, so many believes that there is someone behind these designs

 

[plhbg1]

even science can't answer everything, we are diverting to a designer

salamat naman that you acknowledged the fact that the magical thoughts are there to address scientific gaps

 

[AdmiralKape]

salamat naman that you acknowledged the fact that the magical thoughts are there to address scientific gaps

Ayos na sana e magical thoughts

Ayos na sana e magical thoughts

Pwedi din magical hypothesis and magical theories

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

even science can't answer everything, we are diverting to a designer because the world are perfectly designed the universe are perfectly designed, that is why it points to a designer logically,. we are not 100 percent sure due to lack of evidences but regardless thinking logically it points to that, so many believes that there is someone behind these designs

Flawed logic. Paano mo na estimate na perfect ang universe if we only have one sample? Beside, it is only perfect if you want to look at it as if it was perfect. Nakakalimutan ba natin kung gaano ka hostile ang universe na ito?