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halimbawa po ba.pag mas mataas yung gen nya.like .i5. tas 6th gen pataas.mas mabilis ba sya sa multitasking kumpara sa i5 na 5th gen to 2nd gen? I mean.yung pag alt tab ng mga app.or depende po sa ram .nanonood kasi ako sa utube.kaso d naeexplain ng maayos yong tungkol don.puro kasi mga 10th gen yung mga pinagkukumpara nila.

kelangan ko kasi yung pc na kaya multitasking .halimbawa naglalaro ka. tas may nakabukas na tab.pero pwede mo sya i alt tab ng hindi nadedelay pag bukas ng app. yung hindi naman kataasan na mga apps ba.yung casual lang.browser,games movies. ganyan.
 
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marklorenzoabellar said:
yung mga gamit ko lang kasi. i5 na 3rd gen. tas 6 gb ram. ddr 3.kaso ang problema ko e pag may ibang nakabukas sa taskbar ko ba.tas iaaltab ko.tagal lumipat sa ibang app.laptop
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ddr3 yung ram lods. try mo lang mag upgrade, di ako pro pagdating sa computer pero search search ka nalang. tignan mo din baka maraming background apps na kumakain sa ram mo .
 
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PHC-Dek said:
ddr3 yung ram lods. try mo lang mag upgrade, di ako pro pagdating sa computer pero search search ka nalang. tignan mo din baka maraming background apps na kumakain sa ram mo .
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sige check ko yon sinabi mo
PHC-Dek said:
ddr3 yung ram lods. try mo lang mag upgrade, di ako pro pagdating sa computer pero search search ka nalang. tignan mo din baka maraming background apps na kumakain sa ram mo .
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generally yes pero hindi all the time

pag dating sa intel by batch ang generational gain nila

examples
3rd gen 4th gen and 5th gen is batch 1
i5 and i7 ng batch 1 is marginal lang yung gain nila
onti lang agwat and ma aabot mo yung agwat sa onting overclock

6th gen 7th gen 8th gen is batch 2
i5 and i7 is double yung gain vs batch 1
pero yung gain nya from 6 to 8 is marginal ulit
(ito yung intel rut na na experience ng intel users nuon multiple generation onti lang yung pinagbago)

9th gen and 10th gen is batch 3
i5 and i7 gain nila vs batch 1 and 2 is 4x
pero yung gain nya vs same batch nya is 2x
bakit hi di na marginal yung gain ng 9th and 10th well kase dito ng simula yung competition nila ng ryzen

i3 ng intel from 1st to 9th is always 2x yung gain
exempt yung 10th gen na 3x (hyper threading)

now for ryzen dito yung higher gen = better

zen1 is 1st gen ryzen ito yung ryzen 1000 series
zen2 is 2nd gen ryzen ito yung ryzen 2000 to 4000 series
zen3 is 3rd gen ryzen ito yung ryzen 5000 series (yung ryzen 7 5800X3D is considered zen3.5)
zen4 is 4th and latest gen ito yung ryzen 7000 series

walang marginal na gain sa ryzen always 2x yung gain nila
kaya yung mga old ryzen is need i overclock ng mataas para ma abot yung newer ryzen

for multitasking and hanap mo is more core/threads and high ram + fast ssd
alt tabbing speed is connected sa ssd and cpu load
high ram is kung gano ka dami pede mo imultitask
 
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sasame9821 said:
generally yes pero hindi all the time

pag dating sa intel by batch ang generational gain nila

examples
3rd gen 4th gen and 5th gen is batch 1
i5 and i7 ng batch 1 is marginal lang yung gain nila
onti lang agwat and ma aabot mo yung agwat sa onting overclock

6th gen 7th gen 8th gen is batch 2
i5 and i7 is double yung gain vs batch 1
pero yung gain nya from 6 to 8 is marginal ulit
(ito yung intel rut na na experience ng intel users nuon multiple generation onti lang yung pinagbago)

9th gen and 10th gen is batch 3
i5 and i7 gain nila vs batch 1 and 2 is 4x
pero yung gain nya vs same batch nya is 2x
bakit hi di na marginal yung gain ng 9th and 10th well kase dito ng simula yung competition nila ng ryzen

i3 ng intel from 1st to 9th is always 2x yung gain
exempt yung 10th gen na 3x (hyper threading)

now for ryzen dito yung higher gen = better

zen1 is 1st gen ryzen ito yung ryzen 1000 series
zen2 is 2nd gen ryzen ito yung ryzen 2000 to 4000 series
zen3 is 3rd gen ryzen ito yung ryzen 5000 series (yung ryzen 7 5800X3D is considered zen3.5)
zen4 is 4th and latest gen ito yung ryzen 7000 series

walang marginal na gain sa ryzen always 2x yung gain nila
kaya yung mga old ryzen is need i overclock ng mataas para ma abot yung newer ryzen

for multitasking and hanap mo is more core/threads and high ram + fast ssd
alt tabbing speed is connected sa ssd and cpu load
high ram is kung gano ka dami pede mo imultitask
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ahy ganon ba.at least naiintindihan ko na.salamat s info.d ko kasi magets ung pinapaliwanag don sa youtube.
 
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sasame9821 said:
generally yes pero hindi all the time

pag dating sa intel by batch ang generational gain nila

examples
3rd gen 4th gen and 5th gen is batch 1
i5 and i7 ng batch 1 is marginal lang yung gain nila
onti lang agwat and ma aabot mo yung agwat sa onting overclock

6th gen 7th gen 8th gen is batch 2
i5 and i7 is double yung gain vs batch 1
pero yung gain nya from 6 to 8 is marginal ulit
(ito yung intel rut na na experience ng intel users nuon multiple generation onti lang yung pinagbago)

9th gen and 10th gen is batch 3
i5 and i7 gain nila vs batch 1 and 2 is 4x
pero yung gain nya vs same batch nya is 2x
bakit hi di na marginal yung gain ng 9th and 10th well kase dito ng simula yung competition nila ng ryzen

i3 ng intel from 1st to 9th is always 2x yung gain
exempt yung 10th gen na 3x (hyper threading)

now for ryzen dito yung higher gen = better

zen1 is 1st gen ryzen ito yung ryzen 1000 series
zen2 is 2nd gen ryzen ito yung ryzen 2000 to 4000 series
zen3 is 3rd gen ryzen ito yung ryzen 5000 series (yung ryzen 7 5800X3D is considered zen3.5)
zen4 is 4th and latest gen ito yung ryzen 7000 series

walang marginal na gain sa ryzen always 2x yung gain nila
kaya yung mga old ryzen is need i overclock ng mataas para ma abot yung newer ryzen

for multitasking and hanap mo is more core/threads and high ram + fast ssd
alt tabbing speed is connected sa ssd and cpu load
high ram is kung gano ka dami pede mo imultitask
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nice info paps. ngayon ko lang nalaman yung generation ng ryzen by zen pala yun hindi yung numero ng tulad sa intel
 
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Yes, pero mas mainam lagi icheck ang available sa market na mabibili mo kase marami ngang klase ng processor pero limited lang sa pinas, then ano ba budget mo para sa processor for example 8-9k ano ba yung nasa store nabibilhan mo merong worth 8-9k, for example ang available lang sa store nabibilhan ko is
i5 10400, i3 13100f , Ryzen 5 5500, Ryzen 5 5600, Ryzen 5 5600g
ngayon tsaka ko sila icocompare kung sino the best sa kanila, in this case the best si Ryzen 5 5600.
I suggest din na always check the processor specification sa website nila para mas malinaw sayo purpose ng mga processor, for example yung may mga letter F sa mga intel processor yung mga may G sa AMD . etc. may purpose yang mga yan.

marklorenzoabellar said:
ahy ganon ba.at least naiintindihan ko na.salamat s info.d ko kasi magets ung pinapaliwanag don sa YøùTùbé.
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Sobrang dami kasing lumalabas na processor ngayon pero walang available masyado sa market sa pinas kaya wag mong intindihin lahat yun unless may plano talaga pag aralan lahat hahaha or for study purposes :ROFLMAO: pero kung bibili ka lang ng processor icheck mo muna yung pricelist or list ng store online na bibilhan mo tapos idropdown mo lahat ng mga available processor nila na pasok sa budget mo tsaka mo sila icompare.
 
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arsenal1205 said:
nice info paps. ngayon ko lang nalaman yung generation ng ryzen by zen pala yun hindi yung numero ng tulad sa intel
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yep, unlike sa intel maatagal mag palit ng architecture ang AMD

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arsenal1205 said:
nice info paps. ngayon ko lang nalaman yung generation ng ryzen by zen pala yun hindi yung numero ng tulad sa intel
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ako nga din e.kasi iba pagkakaintindi ko sa mga napapanood kong tutorial.

Pwnthis said:
Yes, pero mas mainam lagi icheck ang available sa market na mabibili mo kase marami ngang klase ng processor pero limited lang sa pinas, then ano ba budget mo para sa processor for example 8-9k ano ba yung nasa store nabibilhan mo merong worth 8-9k, for example ang available lang sa store nabibilhan ko is
i5 10400, i3 13100f , Ryzen 5 5500, Ryzen 5 5600, Ryzen 5 5600g
ngayon tsaka ko sila icocompare kung sino the best sa kanila, in this case the best si Ryzen 5 5600.
I suggest din na always check the processor specification sa website nila para mas malinaw sayo purpose ng mga processor, for example yung may mga letter F sa mga intel processor yung mga may G sa AMD . etc. may purpose yang mga yan.


Sobrang dami kasing lumalabas na processor ngayon pero walang available masyado sa market sa pinas kaya wag mong intindihin lahat yun unless may plano talaga pag aralan lahat hahaha or for study purposes :ROFLMAO: pero kung bibili ka lang ng processor icheck mo muna yung pricelist or list ng store online na bibilhan mo tapos idropdown mo lahat ng mga available processor nila na pasok sa budget mo tsaka mo sila icompare.
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d kasi ako tech.bago lang ako nag aaral tungkol sa computer.self thought galing youtube.hehe mahirap na.pag nagkatroubleshoot pc e diba. para pwede sariling repair kung kaya
 
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marklorenzoabellar said:
yung mga gamit ko lang kasi. i5 na 3rd gen. tas 6 gb ram. ddr 3.kaso ang problema ko e pag may ibang nakabukas sa taskbar ko ba.tas iaaltab ko.tagal lumipat sa ibang app.laptop
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not surprising.. kung tutuusin. 6th gen below is already an obsolete CPU. basically you are using an obsolete system unit. sa ngayon 2023, minimum RAM is 8GB, standard is 16GB, mag lalag ka tlaga kung 6gb ddr3 ram mo, chrome pa lng kulang na yan.

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sasame9821 said:
yeah nasanay kase marami sa intel since before ryzen eh intel yung ng hari
(kaya wala masyado ginawa yung intel sa mga old generation nila wala kase competition)
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boss @sesame9821

question. yung mother board ko kasi is maxed at 9th gen. currently gamit ko i3 na 8th gen

Planning to upgrade sna sa i5 na 9th gen.

ano po ba mas sulit, palit ng i5 na 9th gen, or magalit na lang ako motherboard tapos mag settle muna ako sa i3 na 8th gen, tapos sa future ko na palitan yung processor?
 
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kimimaru23 said:
boss @sesame9821

question. yung mother board ko kasi is maxed at 9th gen. currently gamit ko i3 na 8th gen

Planning to upgrade sna sa i5 na 9th gen.

ano po ba mas sulit, palit ng i5 na 9th gen, or magalit na lang ako motherboard tapos mag settle muna ako sa i3 na 8th gen, tapos sa future ko na palitan yung processor?
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dipende sa plano mong gawin

if lets say yung plano mo is
bibili ka ng bagong mobo pero gagamitin mo parin yung old processor mo sa mobo na binili mo
then yung mobo na bibilin mo is still LGA 1151 so lock ka parin sa 8th and 9th gen
so nag palit ka ng mobo pero yun parin system mo wala pinagbago

pag ganto yung plano mo then
mas sulit mg upgrade to i5 or i7 9th gen
di pa out of relevance 9th gen and i3 to i5 ang jump mo
so malakilaki rin yung performance jump na makukuha mo

pero if yung plano mo gawin is
bibili ka ng mobo na 10th or 12th gen
tapos gagamitin mo yung pc mo hangang mag ka pera ka para sa processor para dito

if ganto plano mo then
mas sulit to (provided na makaka ipon ka talaga yung hindi mawawala yung pera kase my ngyari bigla)
 
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sasame9821 said:
dipende sa plano mong gawin

if lets say yung plano mo is
bibili ka ng bagong mobo pero gagamitin mo parin yung old processor mo sa mobo na binili mo
then yung mobo na bibilin mo is still LGA 1151 so lock ka parin sa 8th and 9th gen
so nag palit ka ng mobo pero yun parin system mo wala pinagbago

pag ganto yung plano mo then
mas sulit mg upgrade to i5 or i7 9th gen
di pa out of relevance 9th gen and i3 to i5 ang jump mo
so malakilaki rin yung performance jump na makukuha mo

pero if yung plano mo gawin is
bibili ka ng mobo na 10th or 12th gen
tapos gagamitin mo yung pc mo hangang mag ka pera ka para sa processor para dito

if ganto plano mo then
mas sulit to (provided na makaka ipon ka talaga yung hindi mawawala yung pera kase my ngyari bigla)
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salamat boss sasame9821 .

mejo hati isip ko. baka pag sisihan ko kasi kung palit mobo tapos wala akong maayos na processor, same output lang din, tapos matagalan magpalit ng 12th gen, masasayang. baka mas okay pang ipunin ko na lang muna tapos isang bagsakan.
 
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kimimaru23 said:
salamat boss sasame9821 .

mejo hati isip ko. baka pag sisihan ko kasi kung palit mobo tapos wala akong maayos na processor, same output lang din, tapos matagalan magpalit ng 12th gen, masasayang. baka mas okay pang ipunin ko na lang muna tapos isang bagsakan.
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if yung mobo na ipapalit mo eh for 8th gen and 9th gen parin
then wag ka na mag balit ng mobo yung cpu yung i upgrade mo

iba socket ng 10th 11th and 12th so isang bagsakan talaga gagawin mo dyan
 
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