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🔒 Closed Atheist ako. Atheist din ba kayo?

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stellarium said:
ang agnosticism ay mixable.. ang agnostic atheism at agnostic theism ay legitimate philosophical positions
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they can be legit but it is still up to me on the agreement, i still have a choice to agree or disagree
Juxatopose03 said:
Then saying that either Theism or Atheism is 100% idiocy, since Agnosticism can't even prove anything yet?
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that's the point of agnosticism, what's unknown stays unknown, let science do it's job and wag ito pangunahan sa pagsagot, just wait for science
 
Juxatopose03 said:
Nope, If He exists, He gave you free will to do whatever you want. Old testament said God intervened with Humans before, the result: They did not believe in His son and condemned Him to death... Maybe it's better if we are left alone then return to Him after death (Maybe then our Greed,Lust, etc.) are all gone...
Padagdag sa point of view mo lods baka may mabago ako
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hindi ako naniniwala sa free will paps, for me and sang ayon nadin sa modernong pag aaralsa pag aaral sa field ng neuroscience and psychology every decisions we make is the product of undetermined infinite causes of past events, we acted and decided not on our own volition.. medyo malalim na usapin yan pero kumbinsido ako sa mga nabasa ko sa subject ng free will and morality specifically the book of Sam Harris na isang professional philosopher and neuroscientist
 
plhbg1 said:
they can be legit but it is still up to me on the agreement, i still have a choice to agree or disagree

that's the point of agnosticism, what's unknown stays unknown, let science do it's job and wag ito pangunahan sa pagsagot, just wait for science
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So it all falls on the conclusion of science then.
Very well you will choose when it's time.

Some of the greatest minds from science did.

stellarium said:
hindi ako naniniwala sa free will paps, for me and sang ayon nadin sa modernong pag aaralsa pag aaral sa field ng neuroscience and psychology every decisions we make is the product of undetermined infinite causes of past events, we acted and decided not on our own volition.. medyo malalim na usapin yan pero kumbinsido ako sa mga nabasa ko sa subject ng free will and morality specifically the book of Sam Harris na isang professional philosopher and neuroscientist
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So based po ba sa paniniwala niyo, all our choices are already predetermined?
 
Juxatopose03 said:
Some of the greatest minds from science did.
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einstein's god claim failed, did not get support of scientific community and has never become a scientific theory despite him having lots of very successful claims most especially to physics
stellarium said:
hindi ako naniniwala sa free will paps, for me and sang ayon nadin sa modernong pag aaralsa pag aaral sa field ng neuroscience and psychology every decisions we make is the product of undetermined infinite causes of past events, we acted and decided not on our own volition.. medyo malalim na usapin yan pero kumbinsido ako sa mga nabasa ko sa subject ng free will and morality specifically the book of Sam Harris na isang professional philosopher and neuroscientist
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so you view free will as voluntary decisions, sa akin iba din yung view ko sa free will, free will is having choices or being able to make choices even if the choices we make is motivated or caused by other forces
 
plhbg1 said:
they can be legit but it is still up to me on the agreement, i still have a choice to agree or disagree

that's the point of agnosticism, what's unknown stays unknown, let science do it's job and wag ito pangunahan sa pagsagot, just wait for science
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The point of agnosticism isnt “whats unknown stays unknown” ..the point is that there are unknowns.. there are stuff we dont know.. thats it..

Stays unknown ba nman
 
plhbg1 said:
einstein's god claim failed, did not get support of scientific community and has never become a scientific theory despite him having lots of very successful claims most especially to physics

so you view free will as voluntary decisions, sa akin iba din yung view ko sa free will, free will is having choices or being able to make choices even if the choices we make is motivated or caused by other forces
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It doesn't need acceptance of the community, it was his individual decision... Maybe he atleast believed that Science was Created by "Something" or maybe "Somene"
 
jayendecastro said:
The point of agnosticism isnt “whats unknown stays unknown” ..the point is that there are unknowns.. there are stuff we dont know.. thats it..

Stays unknown ba nman
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since atheists and theists provided answers to those unknowns, i use what's unknown stays unknown to emphasize what agnostics do to those unknowns which differ from those atheists and theists
Juxatopose03 said:
It doesn't need acceptance of the community, it was his individual decision...
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science don't work like that.

Extremely strong evidence is something that only comes by after the joint work of dozens of specialists with several years of training each, to be confirmed and reproduced by hundreds of others around the globe for some years after discovery. It’s not something a single person can observe by themselves, no matter how it's convincing to that single person.
 
plhbg1 said:
since atheists and theists provided answers to those unknowns, i use what's unknown stays unknown to emphasize what agnostics do to those unknowns which differ from those atheists and theists

science don't work like that.

Extremely strong evidence is something that only comes by after the joint work of dozens of specialists with several years of training each, to be confirmed and reproduced by hundreds of others around the globe for some years after discovery. It’s not something a single person can observe by themselves, no matter how it's convincing to that single person.
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Science will take a very long time to decipher the mysteries of the Universe, that is how complicated it is.. God already gave you a hint and a free will, it is your choice now to act on it...
 
Juxatopose03 said:
Science will take a very long time to decipher the mysteries of the Universe, that is how complicated it is.. God already gave you a hint and a free will, it is your choice now to act on it...
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who says god has given me something? hehe kaya kayo di makapag hintay ni science dahil pinangako-an kayo ng too good to be true hehe
 
plhbg1 said:
who says god gave me something? hehe kaya kayo di makapag hintay ni science dahil pinangako-an kayo ng too good to be true hehe
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You will definitely decide soon enough, you have the choices and you are also logical you'll make the right choice my friend... :)
 
dmi nyong alam
plhbg1 said:
so you mean as of now my choices are wrong? hehe
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i think wla nmn mali sa choice mo choice mo yan e haha
pru ang palabasing mali ung choice ng iba tama ba?

kung naniniwla mn sila na may panginoon ano nmn sau ngaun?
Juxatopose03 said:
No you have not yet chosen what to believe... I really can't judge that...
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wlang saysay ang pkikipag debate jan boss hihi hindi nga yan naniniwala sa diyos sau pa kya
 
stellarium said:
hindi ako naniniwala sa free will paps, for me and sang ayon nadin sa modernong pag aaralsa pag aaral sa field ng neuroscience and psychology every decisions we make is the product of undetermined infinite causes of past events, we acted and decided not on our own volition.. medyo malalim na usapin yan pero kumbinsido ako sa mga nabasa ko sa subject ng free will and morality specifically the book of Sam Harris na isang professional philosopher and neuroscientist
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Nagegets ko ung idea ng determinism, (every decision is affected by your past and biases) na ganyan. Pero I think it does not account for the possibility of going against your bias.

BTW, yung freewill sa bible, normally we view it as a blessing, kaya parang conflicting. I personally view it as a curse. Minention siya sa bible to elaborate na we are the one responsible for whatever we do, therefore must accept the consequence of it. It makes sense being given to human after being evicted from the garden.
 
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