🔒 Closed Can you please give a logical argument for atheism?

[NiamAva]

But kung iisipin eh parang wala namang meaning ang singularity na yan eh.. panung naging universe ung singularity masyadoong madaming butas ang theory na yan...

no need maniwala actually kasi ang daming physicists na nag perform ng extrapolation and all of them produced the same result, they agree with each other, they did not find any error until now, if i become a physicist pwede ko rin gawin iyon just like every newly hired physicist that's trying to find error on the big bang theory, all we have to do is to perform the same calculation instead of just believing in it

But kung iisipin eh parang wala namang meaning ang singularity na yan eh.. panung naging universe ung singularity masyadoong madaming butas ang theory na yan

 

[plhbg1]

But kung iisipin eh parang wala namang meaning ang singularity na yan eh.. panung naging universe ung singularity masyadoong madaming butas ang theory na yan

kapag singularity is universe ay eeenk very wrong iyan hehe kasi the present is the universe and the past is the point of singularity

 

[NiamAva]

kapag singularity is universe ay eeenk very wrong iyan hehe kasi the present is the universe and the past is the point of singularity

Sabi mo kung babalik natin ung time magiging singularity lahat.. that will lead sa tanong na saan nagmula ang singularity or ano ang pinamulan nito... Di na ba kayang icalculate ng science un..

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

kapag singularity is universe ay eeenk very wrong iyan hehe kasi the present is the universe and the past is the point of singularity

Malaki padin nmn ang possiblity na hindi yung singularity ang beginning talaga. Pero impossible nlng tlga maprove kasi it will not be the same time-space ng existence natin.

 

[NiamAva]

Kita muna odi bumalik ka rin faith... Kaylangan kasi pag aralan nyo din ung pinaniniwalaan namin bago kayo mag conclude..

Malaki padin nmn ang possiblity na hindi yung singularity ang beginning talaga. Pero impossible nlng tlga maprove kasi it will not be the same time-space ng existence natin.

Kita muna odi bumalik ka rin faith... Kaylangan kasi pag aralan nyo din ung pinaniniwalaan namin bago kayo mag conclude..

 

[Asherah Goddess]

@ NiamAva​

Meron po ata device or measurement....... parang ganun? Ayaw ko lang ilagay dito o whatever dahil hindi ka naman "ata" naniniwala and so huwag na lang. Diba? Bigbang ang itinutukoy? Iyon na iyon.
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[Kaplok Kaplok]

Kita muna odi bumalik ka rin faith... Kaylangan kasi pag aralan nyo din ung pinaniniwalaan namin bago kayo mag conclude..


Kita muna odi bumalik ka rin faith... Kaylangan kasi pag aralan nyo din ung pinaniniwalaan namin bago kayo mag conclude..

Dont get me wrong, atheist din ako. Despite taking religious studies seriously. Tbh, napakawalang kwenta nitong "science vs religion" debate pag naintindihan mo pareho.
Once you reduce any of them into belief, magiging handicap yan sa diwa mo. They dont even exist in the same plane of reality.

 

[plhbg1]

Malaki padin nmn ang possiblity na hindi yung singularity ang beginning talaga. Pero impossible nlng tlga maprove kasi it will not be the same time-space ng existence natin.

big bang only has info up to that singularity, ala pa siyang data beyond that point since the laws of physics no longer work when there's no space and time kaya nananatili pa ding target ni science yung theory of everything

but saying it is impossible just because the current laws doesn't work is a very wrong claim

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

big bang only has info up to that singularity, ala pa siyang data beyond that point since the laws of physics no longer work when there's no space and time kaya nananatili pa ding target ni science yung theory of everything

but saying it is impossible just because the current laws doesn't work is a very wrong claim

It is really hopeful for you to think na may makikita pa tayo data beyond that point. It is not really a matter of "not enough physics". Wala na physics beyond that point. Every data that we have is based on our physics, which means no data can exist any further from there.

Kahit nga within our physics may limit tayo. Dahil sa acceleraring expansion ng universe, lumiliit ng lumiliit ang observable portion natin dahil fixed ang speed of light.

 

[plhbg1]

It is really hopeful for you to think na may makikita pa tayo data beyond that point. It is not really a matter of "not enough physics". Wala na physics beyond that point. Every data that we have is based on our physics, which means no data can exist any further from there.

ehehe there were people that claimed the same before einstein was born, they thought that newton's laws were already enough hehe you are just attempting to end science again

Kahit nga within our physics may limit tayo. Dahil sa acceleraring expansion ng universe, lumiliit ng lumiliit ang observable portion natin dahil fixed ang speed of light.

i have not heard from a physicist na hanggang singularity lang sila, they only say they have no data as of the moment but they did not say they can never have that data, what is in you that i have to disagree with those physicists just to agree with you? hehe

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

ehehe there were people that claimed the same before einstein was born, they thought that newton's laws were already enough hehe you are just attempting to end science again

i have not heard from a physicist na hanggang singularity lang sila, they only say they have no data as of the moment but they did not say they can never have that data, what is in you that i have to disagree with those physicists just to agree with you? hehe

Sige na nga payag na ako all powerful yan si Lord Science mo..

 

[plhbg1]

Sige na nga payag na ako all powerful yan si Lord Science mo..

no need naman maging powerful, all we have to do is to please let those limits be unknown for now hehe

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

no need naman maging powerful, all we have to do is to please let those limits be unknown for now hehe

Pero may nagsabi sakin minsan, once proven it is not faith. Pero pag hindi proven, we should be free to call it faith diba?

Pero seriously, beyond ng bigbang, it is not a matter of missing formula katulad ng newton to einstein. Impossible math na ang realm na yan. Think division by zero and root of negative numbers. Lahat ng measurement natin is defined by our spacetime.
Saka may set limit na din ang physics. Example, travelling sa speed of light, it will require infinite energy according to relativity.

 

[dummy01]

If and only if the presupposition of atheism is true i.e. everything in the universe is a natural random occurences, then atheism can stand a logical ground. Unfornately, evidences suggest otherwise.

 

[plhbg1]

Pero may nagsabi sakin minsan, once proven it is not faith. Pero pag hindi proven, we should be free to call it faith diba?

kaya nga let it be unknown kasi pag nag provide ka ng answer out of nowhere magiging faith na ang answer na iyon

Pero seriously, beyond ng bigbang, it is not a matter of missing formula katulad ng newton to einstein. Impossible math na ang realm na yan. Think division by zero and root of negative numbers. Lahat ng measurement natin is defined by our spacetime.
Saka may set limit na din ang physics. Example, travelling sa speed of light, it will require infinite energy according to relativity.

i will have to hear it from a physicist first and then from a group of physicists before i can agree with you, need kasi trained individuals para diyan but good thing that you are able to make judgements

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

kaya nga let it be unknown kasi pag nag provide ka ng answer out of nowhere magiging faith na ang answer na iyon

i will have to hear it from a physicist first and then from a group of physicists before i can agree with you, need kasi trained individuals para diyan but good thing that you are able to make judgements

The way you said out, if translated to theist faith:

"We just cant comprehend His will and the extent of his love. In God's time... mas makakabuti sayo makipagusap sa elders to enlighten your heart"

Hahahaha, sorry na..

 

[plhbg1]

The way you said out, if translated to theist faith:

"We just cant comprehend His will and the extent of his love. In God's time... mas makakabuti sayo makipagusap sa elders to enlighten your heart"

Hahahaha, sorry na..

hehe "we can't comprehend" is already a judgement, "we have no data" is just plain description of a situation, so better use a work around like "we can't comprehend for now"

 

[NiamAva]

Pero may nagsabi sakin minsan, once proven it is not faith. Pero pag hindi proven, we should be free to call it faith diba?

Pero seriously, beyond ng bigbang, it is not a matter of missing formula katulad ng newton to einstein. Impossible math na ang realm na yan. Think division by zero and root of negative numbers. Lahat ng measurement natin is defined by our spacetime.
Saka may set limit na din ang physics. Example, travelling sa speed of light, it will require infinite energy according to relativity.

Agree ako dyan.. tsaka paano tayo maniniwala sa calculation nila eh lahat naman ng mga formula eh sila lang naman gumawa...

@ NiamAva​

Meron po ata device or measurement....... parang ganun? Ayaw ko lang ilagay dito o whatever dahil hindi ka naman "ata" naniniwala and so huwag na lang. Diba? Bigbang ang itinutukoy? Iyon na iyon.
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Ilagay muna kaya malay mo maniwala ako... For sure sila din naman nag imbento nun kaya lahat ng result ng mesurement sa device eh expected na nila...

 

[plhbg1]

Agree ako dyan.. tsaka paano tayo maniniwala sa calculation nila eh lahat naman ng mga formula eh sila lang naman gumawa...

why don't you try tumalon sa bangin boss and see for yourself that weight is not equal to mass times gravitational acceleration - W=mg

at i-prove mo na din na ang gravitational acceleration is not equal to 9.8 meter per second per second - g=9.8m/s/s

balik ka dito after mo tumalon at luluhod ako sa harapan mo at sasama ako sa iyo mag claim na ang mga formulas na gawa nila ay unbelievable

 

[NiamAva]

why don't you try tumalon sa bangin boss and see for yourself that weight is not equal to mass times gravitational acceleration - W=mg

at i-prove mo na din na ang gravitational acceleration is not equal to 9.8 meter per second per second - g=9.8m/s/s

balik ka dito after mo tumalon at luluhod ako sa harapan mo at sasama ako sa iyo mag claim na ang mga formulas na gawa nila ay unbelievable

Tama naman yang mga formula na pinakita mo madam kaso ung formula na gamit nila pabalik ng singulariy eh sila lang gumawa diba.. porket ba hindi pwede e divide ang one sa zero eh gagamit na ng negative or kung anu nalang...